(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Championship 2012 quarterfinals]PW[Mateusz Surma]PB[Ilia Shikshin]WR[6d]BR[7d]DT[2012-08-02]PC[Bonn, Germany]US[HW9x9]C[hvk [-\]: hi
hvk [-\]: ooi 
hvk [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
purun [3k\]: oooh yeaaaah ilya is playing
purun [3k\]: go go go ilya
hvk [-\]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvDTkTKi5pA&feature=BFp&list=WL2B0169357DB82B7B
kamil [-\]: hi EuroGoTV. Yesterday Surma was paried with Cornel and now he is playing Ilya. Could U tell me algorithm of parings?
SIscurge [5d\]: Its really complicated ...
SIscurge [5d\]: Because you have to try to avoid those who played together earlier and such
kamil [-\]: thx Ondrej
vegmandu [3d\]: Who is mateusz surma its the first I have heard of him is he young?
ILLCoyote2 [2d?\]: Why you wanna know if he's young? =P
ILLCoyote2 [2d?\]: tsk tsk!
vegmandu [3d\]: :) Because I haven't heard of him so I presume he is new.
kamil [-\]: Surma is few times Youht European Champion
ILLCoyote2 [2d?\]: I'm just kidding =P
TurtleDove [4k\]: from Poland ?
kamil [-\]: yep
ILLCoyote2 [2d?\]: Which games will be broadcasted live?  Only first 2?
vegmandu [3d\]: thanks for the info.
Blaubaer [5d\]: how did Zhao pei play yesterday?
Tiesto [6d?\]: k10 looks vital
TurtleDove [4k\]: 8 players from Russia, Finland, France, Romania, Poland, Czech republic. did I miss any ?
vegmandu [3d\]: when do we start?
kamil [-\]: Slovakia
lexterrae [9k\]: Матей! бей, круши, ломай!
lexterrae [9k\]: go go Mateusz
lupis [3d\]: Blaubaer: yo can find both the result and kifu at: http://www.egc2012.eu/congress/tournaments/open-european-championship
ILLCoyote2 [2d?\]: This might be a strange question..
Blaubaer [5d\]: thx
ILLCoyote2 [2d?\]: Are there any championship games on the west coast? (US/Canada/SouthAmerica/Mexico)
Susaku [-\]: hi
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hi
ILLCoyote2 [2d?\]: I know there's the USGO pro exam right now, but is there other events that happen as well?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i have lag
wuhu [12k\]: .
Susaku [-\]: I can see video lag so i'd assume so
Blaubaer [5d\]: shitts german inet
blurb1: us play congress like the europeans
ILLCoyote2 [2d?\]: I guess I have some reading to do
Susaku [-\]: How long till the game begins?
maminti [3k?\]: szia PEPE
TurtleDove [4k\]: normally late, maybe 10 mins guess
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: board 1 players are always late
Susaku [-\]: lol
Susaku [-\]: really
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: and i still have lag on KGS
Susaku [-\]: I think it is the iternet that is lagging so blame internet
lexterrae [9k\]: the game started?
Susaku [-\]: no
Susaku [-\]: their late
kapa [-\]: not yet
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Mateusz arrived
lexterrae [9k\]: oh
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: IGS no lag today
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
Susaku [-\]: surma has arrived! Yay!
shenzhen [3d\]: the games are shown on IGS too?
purun [3k\]: why the game hasn't started yet?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: only 2 boards
Susaku [-\]: neither has arrived to sit at the boards purun
Susaku [-\]: surma is in building though
lexterrae [9k\]: Hola!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Surma is at the board
Susaku [-\]: ah
purun [3k\]: oooh thx for the explanation susaku.....
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: you can see him in the live TV stream
vegmandu [3d\]: :) when does the game start?
Susaku [-\]: soon hopefully
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: only Ilia and Thomas have not arrived
Susaku [-\]: wait is this tha llia that was playing fourth board last thursday?
meditation [1d\]: What time does this game begin?
TurtleDove [4k\]: soonish
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: games should have started 13 minutes ago
Natsuu [1d\]: How old is Mateusz ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 16 
Susaku [-\]: the guys to the left of surmas board look bored of waiting
Susaku [-\]: to our view their in front of us
ShenWei [2k\]: die sollten die uhren um 10 anstellen ;-)
Susaku [-\]: lol
TurtleDove [4k\]: Ilya is only 20 or 21 isn't he ?
jakotaki [-\]: too old
jakotaki [-\]: :B
vegmandu [3d\]: this surma guy looks unhappy that ilya is late.
kamil [-\]: he is unhappy he need to eliminate next 7d
redsox: bit nervous
ivank [3k\]: Ilya is frequently late
TurtleDove [4k\]: it always suprises me that they don't just start B clock at 09:00.
mpepe16 [6d\]: Surma should be extremly happy to manage to get this far.
redsox: Ilya has bad manners as always
Susaku [-\]: who was the guy on screen moving the clock?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: me
ivank [3k\]: lol
shenzhen [3d\]: dont they start the clocks if players are late?
Natsuu [1d\]: Was that you Olivier ?
Susaku [-\]: ah
daniug [2d\]: what about silt?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Olivier is fired from EuroGoTV
meditation [1d\]: oh,, he's arrived.
Natsuu [1d\]: really ?
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;B[pd]C[ILLCoyote2 [2d?\]: Fired?
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;W[dp]
;B[pq]
;W[dd]
;B[qk]
;W[nq]C[kamil [-\]: Ilya is playing so well in openning!
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;B[op]C[usagi [1d\]: Good, I've wanted to watch this game for a while now.
lexterrae [9k\]: fight!
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;W[jp]C[usagi [1d\]: Glad to see this is still possible
edcrfvt [-\]: Ilya, forward
plusguy [-\]: oo
gorga [1k\]: who is w and who is b?
lexterrae [9k\]: bo1?
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;B[nc]C[plusguy [-\]: b is russian and white is pretty cool too
plusguy [-\]: gorga u can see their names
plusguy [-\]: :p
plusguy [-\]: >.<
gorga [1k\]: no. i have mobile version
TurtleDove [4k\]: gorga is on phone
H16 [2d\]: correction: b is russian and w is cool
Magic79 [1k\]: surma-shikshin
plusguy [-\]: aha ic
H16 [2d\]: :)) just kiddin
lexterrae [9k\]: russian vs cool =/
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;W[np]
;B[no]C[gorga [1k\]: b is shikshin w is korean?
ivank [3k\]: mighty vs cool
Susaku [-\]: lol
Susaku [-\]: I dc'd and come back tp this
H16 [2d\]: korean named Mateusz?
plusguy [-\]: mateusz surma sounds korean to you ?: p
gorga [1k\]: noone said mateusz :p
meditation [1d\]: w is Russian
TurtleDove [4k\]: no
TurtleDove [4k\]: B is Russian
bleen [3k\]: w from poland
jakotaki [-\]: Romanian
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Poland
TurtleDove [4k\]: Poland
meditation [1d\]: I see
plusguy [-\]: im cheering for russia !
lexterrae [9k\]: w is russian b not
mooooo [5k\]: by the way where is csaba this tournament?
Princessb [3d?\]: b is Russian
lexterrae [9k\]: no.
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;W[oo]
;B[mo]C[redsox: csaba has young kid, maybe thats why
Princessb [3d?\]: Ilia is not Russian?
lexterrae [9k\]: y
Chandra [2d\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?IlyaShikshin
jakotaki [-\]: any difference, Poland, Russia
Chandra [2d\]: stop that please
mooooo [5k\]: w is polish b is russian
agony [5k\]: Psychotactics
H16 [2d\]: this looks like fun allready :)))
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: tv stream ok (also sound)?
agony [5k\]: TV stream is good
TurtleDove [4k\]: yes stream ok now
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;W[po]
;B[qp]C[agony [5k\]: Looks like b is trying to intimidate w
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;W[qo]
;B[oq]C[blurb1: looks like b studied the complications arising
lexterrae [9k\]: for a long time only the Chinese living in Russia
Needless [4d?\]: I remember seeing r3 here?
lexterrae [9k\]: i know it
donzet: hi harry
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hi fred, uploading is too slow here
jakotaki [-\]: hi harry
gogonuts [5d\]: maybe b studied it, but w cant be bad here
meditation [1d\]: o2
ranyee [4k\]: b is fast
donzet: that's why i have no linnk for video?
SIscurge [5d\]: I think this can go bad for w very fast..
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, everytime the upload gets cancelled
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: very frustating
donzet: pff
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: sunday i am at home there i have 10mbs upload
donzet: German technologie...
lexterrae [9k\]: it's a joseki?
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
Blaubaer [5d\]: b looks quite active
donzet: I have plenty myself so i will finish with no pb
donzet: thx harry
gogonuts [5d\]: i admit it strangely difficult for w to find a good move for the bottom
Blaubaer [5d\]: if u play ~ m3 m3+k4 overlap somehow?
DapperDan [2k\]: m3
DapperDan [2k\]: onlymove
gogonuts [5d\]: maybe m3 m4 n2 
usagi [1d\]: o2 is possible 
Needless [4d?\]: in recent games on KGS I have seen that pattern a few time, where w played r3 but can't say all the stones where same except shape in corner at q3
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;W[lp]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Anyway many many thanks to all donators and new VIP-members for making 4 boards on KGS possible
ohlord [2d\]: he found another "only move" :-))
DapperDan [2k\]: yes, but i don't like this move
DapperDan [2k\]: as much
SIscurge [5d\]: this is very complicated
gogonuts [5d\]: if b cuts n4 n3 m3 m2 l3 l2 k3 j3 
eve20 [1k\]: 大家好
mihi [5d\]: P7?
DapperDan [2k\]: i would n4 in a heartbeat
redsox: m4 looks much better than m3
eve20 [1k\]: 3局棋那局好看呀
usagi [1d\]: if b tries to cut w has to o2....
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: p7
locker [1d\]: for cut too early now i guess
gogonuts [5d\]: p7 leaves a pretty big problem at q8 :-)
SIscurge [5d\]: p7 not really an option because of s5 or s4 s6 sente
usagi [1d\]: i believe p7 is on the greedy side
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;B[nl]C[redsox: this is shape
Blaubaer [5d\]: this threatens n4 somehow?
usagi [1d\]: yah I like this one
OrcaDeWils: this is at least a nice probe
gogonuts [5d\]: it encloses the other w stones somehow :-)
Blaubaer [5d\]: :-)
essential [4k\]: which white stones? :o
essential [4k\]: and how? :D
redsox: this is awfull for white
jakotaki [-\]: b+r :(
kamil [-\]: :(
DapperDan [2k\]: white tenuki?
SIscurge [5d\]: I think nothing threatens n4
essential [4k\]: b+r 20 moves in? o_O
SIscurge [5d\]: n4 n3 m3 m2 l3 l2 k3 j3 k2 j2 l4 k1 
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;W[nm]C[meditation [1d\]: wow
DapperDan [2k\]: time to di
essential [4k\]: that can't be the righ tmove :D
minimalist [1k\]: just wanted type this move :)
blizzking [4d?\]: this is the shape
meditation [1d\]: very aggressive move
gogonuts [5d\]: b o8 is still a pain for w
blizzking [4d?\]: ilia is very uneasy player
minimalist [1k\]: wasnt another choice
essential [4k\]: uneasy?
redsox: white must do something, if he is gonna be enclosed its over
essential [4k\]: he's never at ease?
ohlord [2d\]: when the going gets tough, the tough get going!
blizzking [4d?\]: essential, yes :
blizzking [4d?\]: :-)
gogonuts [5d\]: never makes it easy for the opponent :-)
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;B[mm]C[essential [4k\]: yay :D
essential [4k\]: that's the move
atman [1k\]: it's rather defensive, he needs to seek contact to strengthen his weak group
blizzking [4d?\]: his body language tells me he is still young in his mind
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;W[pl]C[essential [4k\]: what should black do here?
gogonuts [5d\]: just plkaster w
gogonuts [5d\]: plastert
Princessb [3d?\]: q9
gogonuts [5d\]: no - plaster :-)
gogonuts [5d\]: with q9, y 
meditation [1d\]: so unique move
DapperDan [2k\]: this looks like me playing a 7d
DapperDan [2k\]: desperate
essential [4k\]: I see
humblelife [2k\]: i like the atari
dxxd [2k\]: it doesn't matter if w lives or not, still bad for w
essential [4k\]: black should be patient here :D
redreoicy [2k\]: i like p9
OrcaDeWils: o17 looks pretty good now
Princessb [3d?\]: looks bad for w even if he lives there
essential [4k\]: patience at this juncture wins the game :D
gogonuts [5d\]: m5 is an option, but i like the simple q9
DapperDan [2k\]: just solidify outsid
redsox: q9
essential [4k\]: q9 is the move
Muttley [2k\]: heh, I was actually looking at this joseki about 90 minutes ago :))
humblelife [2k\]: q9 doesn't endanger 05?
essential [4k\]: o5 is safe
essential [4k\]: or better yet
essential [4k\]: it can be thrown away
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: sorry
DapperDan [2k\]: if this is joeki it's the worst joseki ever
essential [4k\]: lol
blizzking [4d?\]: i would just take p7 ^^
shenzhen [3d\]: he half put the stone down then took it back?
OrcaDeWils: joseki always depend on the outer positions
blizzking [4d?\]: first kill
shenzhen [3d\]: or eurogo just getting excited?
Muttley [2k\]: O3/O4 can be remarkably complicated
Muttley [2k\]: yes indeed, Orca
essential [4k\]: yeah
essential [4k\]: there's no reason to be in a hurry
essential [4k\]: black should just q9
edcrfvt [-\]: p7
gogonuts [5d\]: i cant see what w did wrong, so it seems that w p5 was an overplay
meditation [1d\]: p7
Muttley [2k\]: but white's stones are not in as much danger as you think
gogonuts [5d\]: didnt look like an overplay to me at the time :-)
humblelife [2k\]: p7 is much simpler than q9 though
TurtleDove [4k\]: q3 attackable ?
gogonuts [5d\]: p7 is too simple
shenzhen [3d\]: p5 doesnt seem to appear in any pro games
bleen [3k\]: difficult, but yes
essential [4k\]: p5 was the offending move
Susaku [-\]: q3 a little but not very well turt
gogonuts [5d\]: m5 is the only other option, imo
meditation [1d\]: simple is good move
Chandra [2d\]: q9 p8 o9 
gogonuts [5d\]: i dont agree
essential [4k\]: what does p5 actually cut? =P
Muttley [2k\]: huh, b play Q9?
gogonuts [5d\]: if b q9 also b p9
essential [4k\]: hmm
Chandra [2d\]: o9 is safer, p9 lets W cut
essential [4k\]: looking at it from a different order
essential [4k\]: it's like black already had the r9 q9 stones, and white played q8 right next to it
gogonuts [5d\]: p9 is safer - it offers only a very small cut :-)
essential [4k\]: p9 p8 o8 o7 n7 
essential [4k\]: double hane
Chandra [2d\]: if it possible to enclose W completely, why not do so?
SIscurge [5d\]: P10 probably overplay?
essential [4k\]: maybe roln wants to make it interesting =P
meditation [1d\]: They're thinking very carefully.
jsnd [8k\]: whats the link to the live feed?
redreoicy [2k\]: i fear too many cuts with q9 o9
Blaubaer [5d\]: id simnply q9 seems enuf?
essential [4k\]: q9 is the move
LeonEuler [5k\]: q9 first instinct move
essential [4k\]: and the second instinct and third instinct move =P
eve20 [1k\]: w looks can out
essential [4k\]: white getting out is fine
SIscurge [5d\]: p7 also nice 
OrcaDeWils: thought about p7, nice to see 5d also think about that :)
DapperDan [2k\]: man black is thinking hard
DapperDan [2k\]: maybe too hard
redreoicy [2k\]: i still like p9
Susaku [-\]: i think q7 might be a more interesting idea
Susaku [-\]: p7*
essential [4k\]: I think if black p7, r9 suffers a bit
essential [4k\]: r9 seems to be in a better position than o5 anyways
humblelife [2k\]: r9 is fine
Susaku [-\]: p7 o6 q7 p8 o9 r8 p6 r7 n6 q6  But my moves might not be 100%
essential [4k\]: r9 will live
essential [4k\]: but that doesnt make it fine =P
maciek [3d\]: Ilia Shikshin so unlucky in pairings...
kamil [-\]: B in trouble
humblelife [2k\]: it either kills q5 or makes line 3 points
DapperDan [2k\]: i say just pick a move and do it
maciek [3d\]: Go MAteusz!
maciek [3d\]: good morning all:)
gogonuts [5d\]: in trouble?
gogonuts [5d\]: no way
Sepultura [1k?\]: where playing iliya shikshin?
Blitzbold [2k\]: b in trouble?
essential [4k\]: q5 doesn't die here
humblelife [2k\]: but white influence is nullified by p7 group
OrcaDeWils: w is in trouble
gogonuts [5d\]: even if w gets n5/o5 b is good
essential [4k\]: why give white the influence in the first place?
meditation [1d\]: How about p10?
Blitzbold [2k\]: yes - imeant it @kamil
humblelife [2k\]: for the territory
essential [4k\]: why play for territory?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
DapperDan [2k\]: go seigen once said sente is more importan than territory
essential [4k\]: and why let your opponent get stronger?
humblelife [2k\]: to get points
maciek [3d\]: black corner is safe?
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(;B[pk]C[humblelife [2k\]: o5
agony [5k\]: this is a joseki?
Muttley [2k\]: but with Q9, not R9
OrcaDeWils: o5 can be sacrificed
])
(;B[om]C[OrcaDeWils: go seigen said a lot of things, and such general proverbs shouldn't be blindly applied to a game
humblelife [2k\]: yay
blizzking [4d?\]: my move!
Shibui [8k\]: whee
blizzking [4d?\]: resign noq
blizzking [4d?\]: now*
Susaku [-\]: nah
edcrfvt [-\]: p7
gogonuts [5d\]: must q9 now imo
maciek [3d\]: is it your move? disqualification!!
minimalist [1k\]: agree with q9
Susaku [-\]: o9 maybe
essential [4k\]: o9 doesn't make sense to me
essential [4k\]: black already has a serious advantage in that fight
TurtleDove [4k\]: s4 s3 r2 can't read it
Bauer [1k\]: q9 forced
Susaku [-\]: o9... p9 my bad
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;W[nr]C[essential [4k\]: yay for tenuki :D
Bauer [1k\]: ah !
shenzhen [3d\]: not really tenuki
DapperDan [2k\]: wow, did he just give up
essential [4k\]: no
Susaku [-\]: tenki might be responded to
maciek [3d\]: a ten ilia to gra jak 1 p no nie?
essential [4k\]: and it is really a tenuki :D
maciek [3d\]: czyli to jest tak jkaby test na pro dla Mateusza:)
Gorim [3k\]: Breakfast says Iliya plays like a pro
DapperDan [2k\]: q7?
OrcaDeWils: is s5 possible?
purun [3k\]: will b keep p3 alive or use it as sacrifice?
essential [4k\]: keep it alive
essential [4k\]: its too big to throw away
orioles: because breakfast is weakest pro ever
purun [3k\]: but the shape seems though....
maciek [3d\]: chociaz jedna gra nic nie znaczy...byloby cudownie jakby wygral:)
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;B[ro]C[Susaku [-\]: orioles does this mean you can beat breakfast?
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;W[rn]
;B[rp]C[orioles: no
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;W[pm]C[DapperDan [2k\]: and guests have the biggest mouth's ever
minimalist [1k\]: nice reading
maciek [3d\]: GOOD VARATION!!!
Susaku [-\]: then don't say such crude opinions please
orioles: but many 4d did
Gorim [3k\]: yeah would be great for Surma to win
Susaku [-\]: just because someone else does something doesn't mean you have to follow along like a lost puppy XD
essential [4k\]: black needs another move in the corner :D
Gorim [3k\]: and Ilija need some extra motivation, not only winning all the time:P
ILLCoyote2 [2d?\]: o2 is quite interesting
Madzilla [2d\]: P10?
gogonuts [5d\]: hat off to O2 - that was a cool move in a tight situation
minimalist [1k\]: s7?
maciek [3d\]: it would be great for Poland..for go world for everybody...for Humans...
essential [4k\]: o2 seems standard though ;o
orioles: c,mon Breakfast is just honorary pro, by that way I can be pro too:D
DapperDan [2k\]: o2 is a good move in general but was kind of suprising considering the situation
essential [4k\]: you have to be honored to be an honorary pro
purun [3k\]: o2 will change the history of europe go world
gogonuts [5d\]: o2 is standard at the bottom, but to play for the bottom instead of moving on the right was cool
maciek [3d\]: yes Gorin, It will be great for Ilia if Mateusz Wins
sempai [-\]: orioles, no you can't, that's why you're sitting on kgs and trolling
meditation [1d\]: seems b in big trouble
Shibui [8k\]: O2 gave some oxygen to the situation
hvk [-\]: p10
Demon [3d\]: My money DEFINITELY on Ilya for this game  =D
murrmurr [5d\]: if this is quarterfinals, will there be one third finals too?
ILLCoyote2 [2d?\]: ditto - what gogonuts said 
locker [1d\]: black has to come back to corner ?
minimalist [1k\]: p10 seems too far to me
essential [4k\]: yes
humblelife [2k\]: clamp first?
Susaku [-\]: orioles when you can beat him you can say w/e you want on him but until then not in my presence. In go you get no where by putting down someone elses skills
essential [4k\]: black owes a move in the corner
minimalist [1k\]: s7
orioles: some guys dont know difference between real and honorary?
drivenrain [-\]: do you ?
essential [4k\]: there is no difference =P
Gorim [3k\]: Maciek we an even say that Iliya should resign for his own god 
Gorim [3k\]: good
Gorim [3k\]: ;)
DapperDan [2k\]: orioles you are a go genius
murrmurr [5d\]: i quarantee minimalist to be correct
humblelife [2k\]: he is one of strongest players in europe
K5 [1k\]: I like S7 as it has some kind of probe value
DapperDan [2k\]: i hate guest
maciek [3d\]: yes
agony [5k\]: don't feed the troll x.x
Susaku [-\]: honorary means a loop or temporary real is 100%
TurtleDove [4k\]: are your comments honourable orioles ?
essential [4k\]: pro is pro, no matter how it was earned
essential [4k\]: if the community recognizes someone as a pro, than that's what he is
murrmurr [5d\]: non-honorable pros are without honor
Susaku [-\]: but still a pro is a pro no matter how they got the rank
orioles: this is point I cant agree
mozarto [2k?\]: take me for example
agony [5k\]: Too bad kgs doesn't have kaya's muzzle function
essential [4k\]: it does
DapperDan [2k\]: kaya cultist
Susaku [-\]: if you can't agree then let it rest we're not here to argue
vannab [3k\]: kibbitz of lowest level ever
Susaku [-\]: back to the game then
essential [4k\]: you're not very experienced in kibitz, huh vannab? =P
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
orioles: I dont argue with anyone guys, thats just my opinion
essential [4k\]: I accept the fact tha tyou have an opinion
essential [4k\]: :D
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;B[rm]C[orioles: :D
humblelife [2k\]: yay
Susaku [-\]: same but I also believe opinion doesn't cange the face of facts. But Having that opinion also isn't wrong.
Bauer [1k\]: which surprise
kamil [-\]: o9
essential [4k\]: o9 doesn'
essential [4k\]: t make sense to me
maciek [3d\]: Ilia is so restless
mozarto [2k?\]: ilia is b ?
Susaku [-\]: yea
DapperDan [2k\]: god white looks terrible
mozarto [2k?\]: thx
DapperDan [2k\]: p8?
maciek [3d\]: he behave like he need to go toilet all the time
mozarto [2k?\]: who is w ?
essential [4k\]: Surma
Susaku [-\]: I like w a bit
mozarto [2k?\]: thank you
DapperDan [2k\]: what is there to like
Susaku [-\]: idk why but white looks like it will live
essential [4k\]: the fact that he broke black's shape
orioles: fact is, he is pro. As many people who get university honorary titles, in fact they got it, but...ok lets focus on game:D
OrcaDeWils: depends what price for living
essential [4k\]: and now black will have to struggle for cash
DapperDan [2k\]: p8?
humblelife [2k\]: no. black will make points easily. the corner was never going to make many points
SIscurge [5d\]: Shikshin is very strict
Susaku [-\]: p8 p6 q10  maybe?
DapperDan [2k\]: what tournament is this btw
jakotaki [-\]: q9 
holynec [-\]: black won this game already
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;W[sn]C[agony [5k\]: It says up at the top Dapper Dan
maciek [3d\]: Shikshin looks bored
DapperDan [2k\]: :o
DapperDan [2k\]: that move is too bold
essential [4k\]: black looks like he has an advantage, but I think that changes in 20 moves
meditation [1d\]: Shikshin looks happy
Madzilla [2d\]: yeah, in 20 more moves W resigns ;)
minimalist [1k\]: r6?
Susaku [-\]: shikshin--> you are 6d why? Surma--> You've over looked your position
AlexUA [11k?\]: ☺
DapperDan [2k\]: t6 looks like masie overplay to me
ohlord [2d\]: what about p10 now?
minimalist [1k\]: p10 s8 live
meditation [1d\]: looks good
DapperDan [2k\]: r7
blizzking [4d?\]: remember the corner is not settled yet
DapperDan [2k\]: but white couldn't win a semeia
orioles: does anybody know stands Silt-Lisy game?
Madzilla [2d\]: how would W kill the corner?
essential [4k\]: that corner is going to die without another move
minimalist [1k\]: r6 to make fake eye
ohlord [2d\]: with t5 in reserve, i guess the corner is alive
K5 [1k\]: Now B's corner status is relevant. It is unconditionally alive, given T5 sente? Without T5 sente?
meditation [1d\]: w can bother b's corner.
locker [1d\]: r2, madzilla
Madzilla [2d\]: R6 is big mistake
lupis [3d\]: orioles: it's being broadcasted by eurogotv4
murrmurr [5d\]: well, t5, r6, tenuki, r2..
Madzilla [2d\]: B should not let W play Q6
murrmurr [5d\]: looks like it might be ko
orioles: thx lupis
bleen [3k\]: just q9
juggler [3d\]: Whenever players way above me play I have this position evaluation rollercoaster: "Oh no, he's going to die" and after the next move I think "oh no he isnt!" so now it looks like white is concealed, but probably he is not
essential [4k\]: white is definitely out one way or the other
maciek [3d\]: white is ok
maciek [3d\]: surely not going to die
essential [4k\]: right now black's corner is in question
Madzilla [2d\]: P10 shuts W in
K5 [1k\]: I like R6 throw in
edcrfvt [-\]: r7 and q9
purun [3k\]: n is too thin to contain w
DapperDan [2k\]: he looks pretty dead to me, if he protects r6 cut
murrmurr [5d\]: k5, that serves no purpose
purun [3k\]: *b not n
K5 [1k\]: No? Plan was to play T5 and T7 in sente, then sacrifice S7T7 for only one eye
gogonuts [5d\]: q9,p8,p9 is still an option for b
murrmurr [5d\]: well, i guess it's possible
maciek [3d\]: Mateusz doesnt let to be intimidated
murrmurr [5d\]: and they might even play it
Madzilla [2d\]: I think q9 p8 p9 p6 m8 r2 is trouble for B
gogonuts [5d\]: your right maciek, there is a generational tension in this game :-)
Madzilla [2d\]: maybe p10 s8 p2 
TurtleDove [4k\]: q8 s8 maybe
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: in this room
TurtleDove [4k\]: sorry q9 s8
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;B[qm]C[ohlord [2d\]: all in
Madzilla [2d\]: Ilja doesn't like compromises
Susaku [-\]: lol
jakotaki [-\]: r6 q9 ?
lorill [2k\]: i'd hate to be white there
murrmurr [5d\]: quite
maciek [3d\]: ilia reacts like he is fighting  a psychological war
agony [5k\]: yep
]
;W[qn]C[SIscurge [5d\]: w not afraid :) cool
Sepultura [1k?\]: ilia is black?
blizzking [4d?\]: p6?
edcrfvt [-\]: q9
DapperDan [2k\]: white has a death wish
Madzilla [2d\]: well, what choice did he have?
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;B[pk]
;W[ol]
;B[ok]C[murrmurr [5d\]: white has all the reason to be afraid because he loses this sequence
]
;W[on]C[meditation [1d\]: there's no eyes.
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;B[nn]
;W[qr]C[orioles: hmm
maciek [3d\]: BOOM!
blizzking [4d?\]: oh my
agony [5k\]: yowza!
shenzhen [3d\]: game over in one corner?
eve20 [1k\]: wow
Shibui [8k\]: Battle mode initiated
murrmurr [5d\]: shenzhen, yup
meditation [1d\]: omg
maciek [3d\]: dont cry Ilia!
DapperDan [2k\]: white so dead
kamil [-\]: wow
Madzilla [2d\]: B read this before playing R7
K5 [1k\]: Q2for big eye?
kamil [-\]: B in trouble
Gorim [3k\]: if something goes wrong the battle mode will be a resign sequence
humblelife [2k\]: b is fine
humblelife [2k\]: worse case, he can't kill r2
TurtleDove [4k\]: give sequence then
DapperDan [2k\]: ddk could win this semeiai for black
humblelife [2k\]: worst*
K5 [1k\]: Not sure what W's plan is here. Can white see a lot of ko threats I can't see? 
Madzilla [2d\]: it will turn into a ko, but W has no threats
HandA [2k\]: r3 for black
DapperDan [2k\]: well to be fair he has one threat
Natsuu [1d\]: s2
murrmurr [5d\]: r3 is pretty bad
meditation [1d\]: looks w's dead
shenzhen [3d\]: black has to do something in the corner
Madzilla [2d\]: I think S2
gogonuts [5d\]: if b r8, w caputeres with r4+s3
atman [1k\]: s2 lokks like shape
DapperDan [2k\]: p3
shenzhen [3d\]: if he just plays from outside he loses ever without the ko
shenzhen [3d\]: eg r8 r3 q4 q2 t7 p2 p7 s3 q6 q7 q8 t4 q6 t5 b dead
murrmurr [5d\]: either s2 or p7
shenzhen [3d\]: so i guess he has to s2
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;B[rr]C[shenzhen [3d\]: woot
tenrai [2k\]: :D
Susaku [-\]: w is llia's kgs name if any?/
gogonuts [5d\]: lol, shenzen
shenzhen [3d\]: roln111
gogonuts [5d\]: zhen
locker [1d\]: q2 ?
Madzilla [2d\]: Q2 just lets B live
locker [1d\]: can t see that
Slayan [2k\]: all this because of p5 
shenzhen [3d\]: my not reading at all says have to play s1
atman [1k\]: :-)
Madzilla [2d\]: actually Q2 is ok, but my instinct is also to play S1
holynec [-\]: b wants to end this game right now
holynec [-\]: so he can enjoy afternoon ":\]
locker [1d\]: what s your answer to white q2 madzilla ?
murrmurr [5d\]: what is there to enjoy in afternoo
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: if you like to see tomorrow more then 1 game of this tournament on KGS then consider donating or becomming a VIP-member
Madzilla [2d\]: q2 r3 s1 
Madzilla [2d\]: it's more or less the same as playing S1 immediately
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;W[ml]
;B[om]
;W[pr]C[kryft [1d?\]: EuroGoTV1, Chi-ching!
orioles: ignore
meditation [1d\]: can't
Susaku [-\]: s1
orioles: mybe not:)
androgo [2d\]: w is toast?
Madzilla [2d\]: ignore is not possible
Madzilla [2d\]: has to play R3
Madzilla [2d\]: r3 o7 o9 s1 etc.
atman [1k\]: so Ilia will have an early lunch today?
grumpyjoe [-\]: b can win the race without living
shenzhen [3d\]: s3 also a choice
Susaku [-\]: r3 p2 s1 
Susaku [-\]: then tenuki
shenzhen [3d\]: r3 s1 
grumpyjoe [-\]: just annoying ko
Susaku [-\]: wait
K5 [1k\]: Yeah, S3 has a keep it simple feel about it
androgo [2d\]: all 4 boards have played between 42 and 48 moves - funny
Susaku [-\]: r3 p2 s1 t3 ko...
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Kristian THX!!!!!!!!
edcrfvt [-\]: r3
ShenWei [2k\]: p2?
orioles: if R3 no P2
Susaku [-\]: bwbw
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 4 donation needed for board 2 tomorrow
Susaku [-\]: ko but false ko
essential [4k\]: false?
HandA [2k\]: r3 then o7 for b
HandA [2k\]: win?
essential [4k\]: white will o7 before responding to r3
]
;B[qq]C[Susaku [-\]: r3 p2 s1 t3 false ko because r6 short of liberties
Natsuu [1d\]: w never p2
blizzking [4d?\]: s1 obviously first
Susaku [-\]: w not?
shenzhen [3d\]: o7 first?
meditation [1d\]: yes
shenzhen [3d\]: or is it useful for a ko threat?
Madzilla [2d\]: o7 o9 s1 
shenzhen [3d\]: too complicated...
grumpyjoe [-\]: ko first
locker [1d\]: s1 forced i guess
DapperDan [2k\]: resign button
mthd [-\]: lol
ohlord [2d\]: if s1, n7 works 4 b or not
humblelife [2k\]: it's live, he doesn't have a button
shenzhen [3d\]: anyone in china have problems watching the video?
ohlord [2d\]: o7
DapperDan [2k\]: flip board
Susaku [-\]: nuclear tesuji time?
eve20 [1k\]: if w dead game is over?
essential [4k\]: yep
Itserroth: no
essential [4k\]: yep
Ulath [-\]: no
Susaku [-\]: no
Trethtzer [4k?\]: no
invader [1d\]: i would say , Not Yet
Madzilla [2d\]: W gets two big moves in return for dying, so the game isn't completely over
Shibui [8k\]: perhaps?
edcrfvt [-\]: it is unclear
Slayan [2k\]: it is almost
elare: it depends if b gets sthg in exchange becasue of the ko for example
kamil [-\]: what is Ilya doing?
Susaku [-\]: too much space still for w to resign over a w kill
]
;W[nm]C[gober [6d\]: yes it is almost over
]
;B[nk]
;W[rs]C[Itserroth: it is silly to resign in first 50 moves
invader [1d\]: and white not die too easy
shenzhen [3d\]: so he has to play 5 more then :)
shenzhen [3d\]: then its not silly ^^
Susaku [-\]: semarai lol... confused now Q.Q
RapyutaF [1k\]: honinbo suwa resign at 44 move while play againts shuusaku
meditation [1d\]: t3?
JEGO [7k\]: p7
invader [1d\]: p7
LTDP009 [-\]: w dead for sure
ohlord [2d\]: did he feel a half point behind? :-))
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: t2
LTDP009 [-\]: há há
invader [1d\]: bua vkl
]
;B[sr]C[LTDP009 [-\]: hô hô
essential [4k\]: yeah, shuwa probably read it out to yose and figured he would lose by half a point =P
LTDP009 [-\]: đọc cờ pro đó
meditation [1d\]: oh
shenzhen [3d\]: nice job euro
goren2 [3k\]: p2
Susaku [-\]: t5 
essential [4k\]: p2 :D
LTDP009 [-\]: má cờ này mà trắng ko thua vậy
elare: t3 
shenzhen [3d\]: t5
LTDP009 [-\]: yếu vậy
Princessb [3d?\]: 1 point, they did not have half points in Shusaku's time
Madzilla [2d\]: shouldn't B play P2 before T2???
meditation [1d\]: what language?
K5 [1k\]: t5 P2
pantyshot [6k\]: t3?
invader [1d\]: Mateuz Surma la ng noi tieng do ba
Susaku [-\]: actually princessb it was komi they didn't have XD
LTDP009 [-\]: gì
goren2 [3k\]: p2 or bp2, throw in, then t1 kills
LTDP009 [-\]: nổi tiếng bằng 009 ko
LeonEuler [5k\]: shusaku would have lost a lot of castle games if there was the 6.5 komi
Princessb [3d?\]: yes, the half point comes from komi
essential [4k\]: that is true
edcrfvt [-\]: seki
meditation [1d\]: so difficult
LTDP009 [-\]: coi trắng thua nè
Susaku [-\]: so it is technically named komi not .5 points
Madzilla [2d\]: now P2 T5 T3 Q5 R1 T7 R8 P7 and B ignores any ko threat
eve20 [1k\]: w seems only can gain a little from the ko
essential [4k\]: probably won't be seki
LTDP009 [-\]: res luôn cho nhanh đánh ab2n mới coi
shenzhen [3d\]: i think w will die
invader [1d\]: M7
Madzilla [2d\]: W will get P16 and P17 in return
invader [1d\]: =))
invader [1d\]: white M7 is only way
Slayan [2k\]: at this point they can read all the sequence to know who win isn't it?
LTDP009 [-\]: gì 
orioles: how about seki?
Susaku [-\]: seki not possible
Gorim [3k\]: seki impossible
Slime69 [6k\]: hmm
Madzilla [2d\]: M7 is hopeless, W has no ko threat
ShenWei [2k\]: w p7?
LTDP009 [-\]: há há
HandA [2k\]: is it
Madzilla [2d\]: P2 is only way
LTDP009 [-\]: 2d đọc cờ chuẩn đó
HandA [2k\]: what if w p7
elare: it is possible if each one gets an eye..
LeonEuler [5k\]: gote seki if p7
Susaku [-\]: I already tried to read for seki =/
mk [1k\]: W p7 and seki or kill n7
Susaku [-\]: but not in gote
Shibui [8k\]: r8 = ko threat?
edcrfvt [-\]: seki
Gorim [3k\]: there can be no seki because white has no eye
HandA [2k\]: p7...
Susaku [-\]: p7= 1 eye
Madzilla [2d\]: if W plays P7 he has an eye
humblelife [2k\]: seki unlikelt because t5 is a key point
Gorim [3k\]: right
Gorim [3k\]: okay i shall be quite:P
essential [4k\]: p7 = 1 eye with black sente
Michi86 [5k\]: I think seki is possible only after ko
essential [4k\]: so it's 3 libs vs 6
essential [4k\]: white will lose
Susaku [-\]: still seki won't happen
forgotten [6d\]: seems goteseki for white is best
maciek [3d\]: how about miai?
orioles: dont judge too early:)
GoRoGoRo [8k?\]: this is so thrilling
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;W[om]C[Madzilla [2d\]: yes P7 is gote seki
grumpyjoe [-\]: if w connects now, b can m7
goren2 [3k\]: um...p2?
LTDP009 [-\]: liều hả mày
grumpyjoe [-\]: and still eat
edcrfvt [-\]: m8
]
;B[ll]C[LTDP009 [-\]: chơi mày luôn
]
;W[or]C[Natsuu [1d\]: seki then
Natsuu [1d\]: but ggod for b
edcrfvt [-\]: t5
gisel [3d\]: is this game?
essential [4k\]: now the game is super black
OrcaDeWils: yes
Gorim [3k\]: t5 first wasnt better?
Demon [3d\]: s8
Madzilla [2d\]: I'm pretty sure B should have played P2 before T2
shenzhen [3d\]: t5 t3 r8 s3 t4 r1 t7 t1 n9 ?
orioles: and why for? madzilla?
LeonEuler [5k\]: if gote seki then black wins
edcrfvt [-\]: my be r8
trastu [1k\]: is seki
angel13th [8k\]: ra 009 của mình ở đây ^^
andreiraz [3k\]: seki
shenzhen [3d\]: oh maybe t5 r8
LTDP009 [-\]: ôi tình yêu
angel13th [8k\]: hi hi
Pita [14k?\]: just logged onto the stream. black has made a pyramid of black stones xD
grumpyjoe [-\]: how
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: n9
angel13th [8k\]: thui coi cờ đi ^^ mình gọi khản cổ
Demon [3d\]: er yeah i meant r8 not s8  lol
gogonuts [5d\]: sente seki looks great for b
Princessb [3d?\]: who was saying seki not possible....
shenzhen [3d\]: so b should start r8 i guess
LeonEuler [5k\]: black right has way more potential than whites bottom
Susaku [-\]: hehe I forgot to look at p7 carefully
essential [4k\]: I think it was the [-\] saying seki wasn't possible
edcrfvt [-\]: t5 better
Warfreak2 [4d\]: power mateusz
Demon [3d\]: eh yeah n9.  thought b had to play one more lib for seki  lol
goren2 [3k\]: s16 still possible - should b r15 or tenuki elsewhere?
Susaku [-\]: r8 
locker [1d\]: black tenuki
jakotaki [-\]: j16 
orioles: where to play by black?
fan [-\]: n9
LTDP009 [-\]: r8
TurtleDove [4k\]: shenzen, why not s3 instead of n9 ?
gisel [3d\]: n9 now?
ABG444 [4k?\]: t5
orioles: common f17?
LeonEuler [5k\]: f16
jsnd [8k\]: b made a big b2 bomber on the table
shenzhen [3d\]: n9 directly might be ok too
orioles: where?
Vizsla [2d\]: seeing b got the best out of that corner, id deal with the ladder now and be done with it
Susaku [-\]: this is far from b2b 
djo7 [7k\]: k10 lol
gogonuts [5d\]: right, just finish the ladder
jsnd [8k\]: look on the video
backpast3p [-\]: what's there?
jakotaki [-\]: j16 
essential [4k\]: poor white
LTDP009 [-\]: how poor?
DapperDan [2k\]: what a pauper
essential [4k\]: moderately poor
gogonuts [5d\]: penniless
Susaku [-\]: umm
Susaku [-\]: were missing moves!
]
;B[so]
;W[mk]
;B[lm]C[aDorable [3k\]: hmmm
Vizsla [2d\]: wow
Susaku [-\]: yay!
Vizsla [2d\]: b needed a move?
aDorable [3k\]: hmmmm
orioles: oh
Vizsla [2d\]: well b must t3 to make seki
]
;W[sq]C[Vizsla [2d\]: w
]
;B[qs]C[aDorable [3k\]: oh
Susaku [-\]: yep
LTDP009 [-\]: dễ vậy
gogonuts [5d\]: t5 captures
LTDP009 [-\]: há há
gogonuts [5d\]: we were blind
androgo [2d\]: r1 ??? too early for timesuji
HandA [2k\]: t5 bad move
K5 [1k\]: I don't understand how the n9 M7 exchange benefits white
HandA [2k\]: can't kill white
invader [1d\]: cu vay vay , nghe nhu thang thieu nang tri tue ay
Goreon [3d\]: ofc w is dead
shenzhen [3d\]: what do you mean captures
shenzhen [3d\]: its still seki?
LTDP009 [-\]: hô hô
gogonuts [5d\]: no
Goreon [3d\]: no
androgo [2d\]: yes, w dead
forgotten [6d\]: s3
gogonuts [5d\]: w is captured
shenzhen [3d\]: why?
HandA [2k\]: b can't kill w
]
;W[sm]C[forgotten [6d\]: seki
HandA [2k\]: s3 for w
mozarto [2k?\]: what is r1 for please ?
Goreon [3d\]: b gives two stones and kills 
shenzhen [3d\]: looks like seki to me
invader [1d\]: .....
Susaku [-\]: w will q1  for seki
viu30h [5k\]: 6d and 5d disagree xD
Susaku [-\]: r1 just looks desprate
LeonEuler [5k\]: it is totally seki
K5 [1k\]: I see seki
gogonuts [5d\]: not seki, b will not defend s2/t2
edcrfvt [-\]: b kill w
invader [1d\]: s9
edcrfvt [-\]: s8
Chandra [2d\]: B can't fill q4 if he gives up 2 stones
LTDP009 [-\]: mà trắng 6d hả
LTDP009 [-\]: nhẹ vậy
Chandra [2d\]: W s3 
androgo [2d\]: s8
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
LTDP009 [-\]: yếu
DeBoom [3d\]: seki because of ws3
shenzhen [3d\]: but b cant play q4 that way, will be self atari
Susaku [-\]: oh
K5 [1k\]: R8 
forgotten [6d\]: its seki gogo
handi [2d?\]: seki w s3
forgotten [6d\]: just listen lol
HandA [2k\]: b misread and wasted a move to t5
Thazz [?\]: just seki guys
essential [4k\]: well its not seki anymore
]
;B[rj]C[HandA [2k\]: ot
shenzhen [3d\]: s10 clever
andreiraz [3k\]: t9 
edcrfvt [-\]: kill in center
HandA [2k\]: it's still seki
sagesse [-\]: it is still seki
gogonuts [5d\]: your right, so ilya misread
edcrfvt [-\]: m10
SIkachnak [3d\]: wtf was t9
Princessb [3d?\]: b+res
LeonEuler [5k\]: black center so big
gogonuts [5d\]: b wasted a full move
SIkachnak [3d\]: t 7
forgotten [6d\]: why?
K5 [1k\]: Still seki if w q1
forgotten [6d\]: black get sente seki
]
;W[sl]
;B[ql]C[Vizsla [2d\]: b didnt waste move
goren2 [3k\]: so w less poor now?\\
gogonuts [5d\]: yes he did
forgotten [6d\]: why??
gogonuts [5d\]: b barely cant kill now
Vizsla [2d\]: hell capture with m10
Vizsla [2d\]: w needs a move now
forgotten [6d\]: it was always seki ...
gogonuts [5d\]: if b just tenukied, w could have barely not killed
locker [1d\]: before also sente seki for black
forgotten [6d\]: it was always seki - black get sente
]
;W[sk]C[forgotten [6d\]: how did he waste a move?
edcrfvt [-\]: seki  gote
gogonuts [5d\]: played t5
Princessb [3d?\]: T9....
maciek [3d\]: never say something like W is dead gogo, i really pls
gogonuts [5d\]: no need for t5
forgotten [6d\]: lol
forgotten [6d\]: what difference does it make???
Vizsla [2d\]: t5 threatened break seki, but b keeps sente
forgotten [6d\]: white has to answer
salu [2k\]: w is playing yose???
gogonuts [5d\]: sry, maciek :-)
mgr [6k\]: w captured s2t2, but b captured all other :)
forgotten [6d\]: you dont make sense
aDorable [3k\]: is it seki?
gogonuts [5d\]: but now w is acutally doing quite well
maciek [3d\]: no problem but dont do it again, i beg you
locker [1d\]: yes, i got heart attack, too - gogo
forgotten [6d\]: if black t10 now
forgotten [6d\]: sente
forgotten [6d\]: it also waste one move??
OrcaDeWils: b should've captured n8
K5 [1k\]: T10 q1 M10
gogonuts [5d\]: yes, now its sente
goren2 [3k\]: since olympics is going crap for us, maybe poland is gonna do something in go...
Vizsla [2d\]: also this is better since b got moves on the outside
Vizsla [2d\]: if anything, w is even worse
forgotten [6d\]: so playing a sente move
shenzhen [3d\]: also m10 nets now cos of t10
forgotten [6d\]: is wasting one move?
shenzhen [3d\]: s10*
shenzhen [3d\]: so black is better than before
]
;B[sj]C[Thazz [?\]: m10 worked all the time ...
gogonuts [5d\]: hm
edcrfvt [-\]: t10
meditation [1d\]: who is better?
invader [1d\]: s3
]
;W[ps]C[gogonuts [5d\]: ok, w only borrowed sente
]
;B[rk]C[Princessb [3d?\]: what can be worse than crawling on the first line with a semi dead group...
Vizsla [2d\]: imo b much better
forgotten [6d\]: yes position is good for b
goren2 [3k\]: s3
phantomas [3k\]: good question 
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;W[qs]
;B[rl]C[edcrfvt [-\]: b first play m10
K5 [1k\]: Ah, does S9 indicate that B aiming for more than M10...?
phantomas [3k\]: self atari
erwe: why not black d-ont play T1instead of T10
gogonuts [5d\]: must s3
erwe: ?
locker [1d\]: can t see why black should be better now than before, sorry
HandA [2k\]: w just strengthened b for nothing
K5 [1k\]: ko bane keshi
Vizsla [2d\]: m10 at the end
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;W[rq]C[elare: y wasting ko threats?
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;B[sp]
;W[rq]
;B[sq]
;W[ss]C[meditation [1d\]: B's infulence looks good
edcrfvt [-\]: seki gote
]
;B[lj]C[HandA [2k\]: b is happy
LeonEuler [5k\]: gg
HandA [2k\]: GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
K5 [1k\]: B lost so many good ko threats :(
DapperDan [2k\]: truthfully
HandA [2k\]: sorry
Chandra [2d\]: perfect wall
maciek [3d\]: why they played all these moves?
DapperDan [2k\]: it's ok
goren2 [3k\]: r16, s16 or s15?
Vizsla [2d\]: b didnt, w forced the exchange
invader [1d\]: D10
forgotten [6d\]: omg
meditation [1d\]: that move looks very good
forgotten [6d\]: please ppl think before you comment
djo7 [7k\]: wooooooooooooooooooooooo gooooooooodddde seki
LeonEuler [5k\]: well t3 was totally not necessary for black
forgotten [6d\]: ilya is not wasting kothreats
YalanDan [2d\]: f17
forgotten [6d\]: all these moves were also white kothreat
orioles: D10 probably not enough
shenzhen [3d\]: they were sente for both
forgotten [6d\]: yes
gogonuts [5d\]: really d10? - isnt g17 better here?
forgotten [6d\]: you think ilya is 30k?
Chandra [2d\]: j16 
TurtleDove [4k\]: nice save by W but enormous wall
shenzhen [3d\]: w needs to overplay for a bit now
purun [3k\]: but w looka overconcentrated now
orioles: sure it is gogo
Thazz [?\]: g17 is the way to go i think
shenzhen [3d\]: but that seems to be his style so maybe he'll do ok :)
essential [4k\]: hmmm
Princessb [3d?\]: w saved nothing of value
essential [4k\]: b+20
LeonEuler [5k\]: overplay is a good way to lose more
purun [3k\]: *b
meditation [1d\]: haha
shenzhen [3d\]: r16 directly? something like n16?
salu [2k\]: huuuuuge wall
shenzhen [3d\]: or just old boring k16
Thazz [?\]: r16 would be bad
forgotten [6d\]: r16 looks danger
forgotten [6d\]: r17 will be the move
Thazz [?\]: r17 later on
humblelife [2k\]: r17 seems only white move near the corner
Vizsla [2d\]: i would g17
Vizsla [2d\]: maybe
phantomas [3k\]: d 10 only moce
LTDP009 [-\]: n15 
calgacus [8k?\]: Depressing position for w.
essential [4k\]: I would cry here
elare: j16 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Bjorn THX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shenzhen [3d\]: at least its easy to count :)
phantomas [3k\]: we can make 290 guesses for the next move
meditation [1d\]: m17
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 3 donations to GO for board 2 tomorrow
essential [4k\]: I disagree
LeonEuler [5k\]: m17 will get attacked 
phantomas [3k\]: no
essential [4k\]: theres only 289 possibilities
K5 [1k\]: I like d10
meditation [1d\]: no, n17
shenzhen [3d\]: well 289, w cant play s3
atman [1k\]: n15 maybe?
Bauer [1k\]: i would try to reduce moyo from outside, not r17
shenzhen [3d\]: i guess he could pass though... or resign..
phantomas [3k\]: ok
Cereales [4k\]: T19 ?
orioles: d10 too slow
meditation [1d\]: n17
Vizsla [2d\]: g17 d10 r17 only real candidates to me
LeonEuler [5k\]: black got moyo white got nothing to compensate
DapperDan [2k\]: f17?
LeonEuler [5k\]: onesided result
orioles: maybe just f17
OrcaDeWils: playing san-ren-sai when the enemy got so much influence in the middle is probably a bad idea
tenrai [2k\]: I really wouldn't wanna be white here...
pantyshot [6k\]: this moyo seems a little bit to big for a mere reduction, invasion most likely necessary 
orioles: but G17 has better continuation towards to black moyo
phantomas [3k\]: ok c 10 then
Madzilla [2d\]: F3 preventing invasion on the bottom looks necessary
Demon [3d\]: maybe j16?
goren2 [3k\]: some weirdness like q14 maybe eeven?
Vizsla [2d\]: that is not a moyo, its a bloody perfect wall, clashing against that is reckless
gogonuts [5d\]: b played one move more in the bottom right, and is almost 2 stones better there
purun [3k\]: how to resign in the real game? is there any special button?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B 1.30  W 1.39 lleft
gogonuts [5d\]: so b by 10 right now imo
LeonEuler [5k\]: you just flip board over to resign
WWSD [1d\]: that call is magnificent
calgacus [8k?\]: HHw about o 15?
purun [3k\]: i never play go in real life
WWSD [1d\]: wall
essential [4k\]: I wonder what the possibility of 2 random bots playing at a 9d level is
orioles: u can put two stones in the same time
pantyshot [6k\]: you have to do the bow of shame
nanotech [2k\]: what black moyo? n12 fixes it....?
WWSD [1d\]: actually
purun [3k\]: i see thank
purun [3k\]: &thanks
WWSD [1d\]: you just say "i resign"
WWSD [1d\]: or "thank you for the game"
goren2 [3k\]: you eat a stone to resign. Ancient traditional way of showing humility
WWSD [1d\]: lol
purun [3k\]: lol
Cereales [4k\]: lool
WWSD [1d\]: trololol
phantomas [3k\]: haha ;)
pantyshot [6k\]: wat
Vizsla [2d\]: so bets: g17 or r17
gogonuts [5d\]: eat 2 if your really humiliated
atman [1k\]: putting two stones into corner of opponent is polite
WWSD [1d\]: no one does that tho
phantomas [3k\]: now its time for white to escape the board
Anarthos [13k?\]: I prefer the false tooth cyanide resignation.
peugeot [4d\]: d10 for w?
essential [4k\]: rofl
WWSD [1d\]: sappuku
orioles: lol atman
LeonEuler [5k\]: white would want to overplay but black's position has no weakness
essential [4k\]: seppuku*
gogonuts [5d\]: cyanide shows true regret
WWSD [1d\]: oops
purun [3k\]: XD
WWSD [1d\]: it is sep
calgacus [8k?\]: Some erasure of  moyo like o15, n16 or similar
WWSD [1d\]: sorry
essential [4k\]: rofl
TurtleDove [4k\]: k16 first ?
essential [4k\]: gogonuts [5d\]: cyanide shows true regret
eslite [3k\]: why is artem not participating?
pantyshot [6k\]: died in gote? better eat 3 stones
WWSD [1d\]: k16 i agree
humblelife [2k\]: can't really get closer than j16
Chandra [2d\]: they didn't give Artem visa to Germany
Cereales [4k\]: Q4... maybe black doesn't see the damezumari :P
WWSD [1d\]: j16 
goren2 [3k\]: n11!
Vizsla [2d\]: what do people think about j17? i wouldnt play it but id certainly consider it
eslite [3k\]: thanks
maciek [3d\]: can anyone high dan say white he prefers white position pls?!
orioles: chandra, are u joking?
LTDP009 [-\]: artem will soon be the strongest player of europe
elare: i'd play j16, a bit higher, Vizsla
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;W[qc]C[phantomas [3k\]: [1p\]: white is in a superior position
DapperDan [2k\]: wow
phantomas [3k\]: lol
Cereales [4k\]: HAHA
essential [4k\]: lies
DapperDan [2k\]: this is like a 15 kyu move
Cereales [4k\]: Funny white
humblelife [2k\]: it would have to be a really high dan
Cereales [4k\]: as yesterday
K5 [1k\]: J17 K16
essential [4k\]: [1p\]: white is overconcentrated
SteveDC [5k\]: this can only end in gote right??
phantomas [3k\]: yes
Legendre [-\]: this is a probe right?
DapperDan [2k\]: ends in ko
maciek [3d\]: this is like the only move
SteveDC [5k\]: then w is doomed...
orioles: why now R17? white wants to play some ko?
LeonEuler [5k\]: q17 and kill it
Anarthos [13k?\]: I'd pick white because it looks more fun. 
gogonuts [5d\]: w doesnt want to take gote here - his plan is to establish a ko option, then go away
essential [4k\]: a pro would defienitely say that white is overconcentrated
phantomas [3k\]: maciek u should have said it before white played it
calgacus [8k?\]: gogonuts is right, this is for aji later imo
LeonEuler [5k\]: white not overconcentrated just very flat
Vizsla [2d\]: i hate my internets, lagged out again
SteveDC [5k\]: how is all stones on 4th line flat?
LeonEuler [5k\]: because black supress it
djo7 [7k\]: snif pk sest pas en francais
essential [4k\]: in a 9x6 space(54), white has invested 27 stones
gogonuts [5d\]: flat compared to bs 8th line
Cereales [4k\]: i think black can't win the ko
kryft [1d?\]: SteveDC, It can still be flat for a moyo
SteveDC [5k\]: true that :)
goren2 [3k\]: r16
essential [4k\]: infact, outside of that little box, white only has 5 moves
Rassvet [-\]: q17
Vizsla [2d\]: are the pairings already established? if ilia wins who he gets to play?
K5 [1k\]: I have a question about n9 influence. Earlier white chose to swap n9 for M7. If he hadn't done so, M10 would have been a capture at N9
K5 [1k\]: High dans: Do you think this was a smart choice?
Badukgirl [?\]: is it hot in bonn?
essential [4k\]: so white has concentrated over 85% of his moves on only 14% of the board
LeonEuler [5k\]: what is a high dan?
LeonEuler [5k\]: 6+ or 5+
shenzhen [3d\]: 185cm+
Cereales [4k\]: PTDR
Vizsla [2d\]: traditionally high dan is 7d up
Anarthos [13k?\]: compare that to B, essential
maciek [3d\]: so i can say
sempai [-\]: simara is pretty high dan
essential [4k\]: and for those 27 moves, white has gained less than 10 points =P
Vizsla [2d\]: mid dan is 4-6d
Vizsla [2d\]: low dan 1-3d
eve20 [1k\]: i bet this will be a long game again yesterday 5 hrs
phantomas [3k\]: no dan is me
maciek [3d\]: yes it was very smart choice
TurtleDove [4k\]: will W 2 corners on left side get enought pts to compensate for q13 area ?
goren2 [3k\]: i have a feeling w will lose those corners
LeonEuler [5k\]: seems like a smart choice because after b r15 the whole top right would be blacks territory
Cereales [4k\]: B C17 lol
phantomas [3k\]: 2 4 rengo please english room we can play while black is thinking about R 15
K5 [1k\]: What is B thinking about? Never faced this position before??
phantomas [3k\]: R 16
RapyutaF [1k\]: this wrong timming,, should at d10  or so around there
goren2 [3k\]: i think b should let w live small in the corner for sente
Tooveli [5d\]: B reading out if he wants to kill?
LeonEuler [5k\]: b probably wants to kill
JEGO [7k\]: r17 is it a serious move?
fan [-\]: no, it was joke
atman [1k\]: there is a smiley on that stone
mozarto [2k?\]: why ask this
gisel [3d\]: black cant move cause he is laughing
JEGO [7k\]: i think its a probe?
Avari [1k\]: q17-r16-s15 and kill all
liusasori [3d\]: yes, just to see how b will answer
mozarto [2k?\]: no "?" then
goren2 [3k\]: r16, q17 p16, let him live with like 3 points, and then clobber him with like f3 or something
tenrai [2k\]: yeah, if you look at the video stream you'll see how they both are laughing their heads off
JEGO [7k\]: black R16 for sure
peugeot [4d\]: all this time for r16?
tenrai [2k\]: silently laughing...
LeonEuler [5k\]: it is not going to be 3 pts if you p16 and the outside would only be like 45 pts
mozarto [2k?\]: no, t19 for sure
KaaXeM [1d\]: give a link to video, please
locker [1d\]: who decides when (and if)  it will be lunch break ?
tenrai [2k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
peugeot [4d\]: I hope s16
Pita [14k?\]: he looks pretty serious to me
mozarto [2k?\]: lol
tenrai [2k\]: yes, looks serious, but laughing on the inside
SteveDC [5k\]: no lunch break
JEGO [7k\]: r17 is a psychologic move :)
eslite [3k\]: as black I would be happy about r17
dmwit [3k?\]: Only problem with being famous: everyone knows if you start picking your nose.
Susaku [-\]: tenuki
mozarto [2k?\]: lol
goren2 [3k\]: not p16, p17 i meant
Cereales [4k\]:  Black pass lol
Susaku [-\]: b tenuki
mozarto [2k?\]: on eurogotv there was a chinese eating his bogeys once
orioles: maybe he decided between tenuki
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: still 3 or 8 or 13 donations needed for broadcasts tomorrow
maciek [3d\]: r17 cannot be bad, ilia thinking too long
dmwit [3k?\]: 3 or 8 or 13?
LeonEuler [5k\]: why 3 or 8 or 13?
handi [2d?\]: ko 
SteveDC [5k\]: or it is bad and ilya thinking of best punishment
elare: 5 donations for each extra table and already 2
mozarto [2k?\]: depending on the number of broadcasted match
Cereales [4k\]: ilia is reading how D16 could be killed
handi [2d?\]: KO
dmwit [3k?\]: I see, thanks, elare and mozarto.
handi [2d?\]: r18
mozarto [2k?\]: welcome
LeonEuler [5k\]: so is it the quantity of donations or quality of donations 
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;B[qd]C[Susaku [-\]: lol
Susaku [-\]: 80 cents is a donation he told me uesterday
Susaku [-\]: 5cents is a donation
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;W[pc]C[dmwit [3k?\]: what if I donate 5 cents 13 times
Susaku [-\]: anything over 0 cents
dmwit [3k?\]: is that better than donating 80 cents
]
;B[rc]C[Itserroth: yes
Susaku [-\]: no
Itserroth: :p
Susaku [-\]: 5 x 13=75'
wysek [1d?\]: I thought r16 would be better for W instead of r17
Susaku [-\]: 65
dmwit [3k?\]: yes, but 13 donations gets three more broadcasts and one only gets 0 =)
goren2 [3k\]: p16?
dmwit [3k?\]: It's a joke. I wouldn't do that, and I hope nobody else would either.
Susaku [-\]: o18
goren2 [3k\]: or p17?
LeonEuler [5k\]: llia so solid, he thinks for 20 min even when he is way ahead
Susaku [-\]: is a break coming soon?
tenrai [2k\]: he's an inspiration
Akari1 [1k\]: Ilia gives no breaks
TurtleDove [4k\]: o15 ?
usagi [1d\]: hmm,
usagi [1d\]: i like this game ^^
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
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;W[jc]C[Susaku [-\]: llia over there twiddling thumbs and cracking joints..
Susaku [-\]: must be bored
tenrai [2k\]: has Ilia built a small pyramid of stones?
maciek [3d\]: white is clever
Susaku [-\]: m18 now ?
dmwit [3k?\]: That's no pyramid.
dmwit [3k?\]: That's a B52 bomber.
mozarto [2k?\]: looks like what w wants
tenrai [2k\]: I see...
Susaku [-\]: enough of the bomber stuff xd seki bomb is gone 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ilza is contemplating the next move, observing the whole board
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ilya
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;B[fc]C[dmwit [3k?\]: I love the flourish he just gave.
Gekirin [2d\]: наконец-то илья
eslite [3k\]: call him cossaku
Susaku [-\]: interesting tenuki
purun [3k\]: wow ilya built a pyramid
Akari1 [1k\]: not tenuki
goren2 [3k\]: i would o16 now
Akari1 [1k\]: f17 is an answer
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;W[df]C[Susaku [-\]: purun wait a hundred years or two the pyramid will be gone under a hundred leauges of stones
purun [3k\]: :D
dmwit [3k?\]: I wouldn't even know what to think about for that long this early in the game.
Susaku [-\]: i do
KaaXeM [1d\]: of course YOU do :D
maciek [3d\]: what to do at the weekend?
Susaku [-\]: Where are all the chicks in this room is my thoughts. None? Then move here
gnarf [1k\]: eat fries
Susaku [-\]: lol
Susaku [-\]: after I typed that two chicks appear
LtColumbo [?\]: "chicks" so sexist
Susaku [-\]: lol
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: there is a girl playing on board 5
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;B[ch]C[Susaku [-\]: chicks is just a term for female with out judging ages.
Goreon [3d\]: game becoming complicated
LtColumbo [?\]: "without judging ages" not sure what that means
Susaku [-\]: I could say grannies, high school, college and so on. Chicks is too general to be sexist
Hendrix [1d\]: money for nothing
TurtleDove [4k\]: W looking for where he can get 50 pts
Moin9 [1k\]: it also looks a litle bit like black wants two weak groups
Gorim [3k\]: chicks for freeee
Anarthos [13k?\]: I can think of plenty of very general words that are quite -ist.
Susaku [-\]: I do not want no hens!
dmwit [3k?\]: two is not enough, i want three
LtColumbo [?\]: chicks usually menas young attractive females. never heard it used generally for women
Cereales [4k\]: I believe in Surma
LtColumbo [?\]: i believe surma has no chance against ilya
Susaku [-\]: chicks is general term for females mem alter it in their sense to base upon looks not true meaning
Susaku [-\]: mem= men
humblelife [2k\]: please stop
LtColumbo [?\]: i agree. please, stop
K5 [1k\]: r17 was played as a probe. What did B sign up for?
Susaku [-\]: surma has a 5% chance
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;W[eh]C[LtColumbo [?\]: the little kids love ilja's games
LtColumbo [?\]: i remember last year the kids kept watching him as well
Susaku [-\]: maybe
]
;B[ck]C[Hendrix [1d\]: h17?
liusasori [3d\]: w have some erasing move like n16 or n17 to use corner aji
LtColumbo [?\]: erasing?
Susaku [-\]: the hardest thing to do when watching is keeping quiet in my view
Syptryn [4d\]: more like waste corner aji
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: the fountain is making a perpetual fsssshh
Syptryn [4d\]: white wants to steer clear of corner so he can ko to live later
K5 [1k\]: Looks to me like there may be a meagre gote life on the side with s18/P17, perhaps with ko
djo7 [7k\]: aji?
Syptryn [4d\]: ko
TurtleDove [4k\]: e17
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;W[cm]C[djo7 [7k\]: quel aji?
maciek [3d\]: last moves was good for white
liusasori [3d\]: aji..lité
LtColumbo [?\]: i don't think it was good for white
maciek [3d\]: might be he trust yourslef after not dieying in lower right
LtColumbo [?\]: locally, it is a bad move
liusasori [3d\]: b14 ?
K5 [1k\]: I feel like LL corner is urgent now - not want to let white get e3
liusasori [3d\]: or e9 ?
meditation [1d\]: e 13
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;B[ek]C[liusasori [3d\]: e13 start a figh with weak stones for b : that can't be good
Gekirin [2d\]: i was think about d10
meditation [1d\]: Is be weak?
Gekirin [2d\]: e9 better reduction
KaaXeM [1d\]: sometimes I can predict high dans moves, but never with Ilya
liusasori [3d\]: before e9 yes
SIscurge [5d\]: e9 is surprise? ^^
]
;W[em]C[Goreon [3d\]: e2 or d2?
K5 [1k\]: D3?
Susaku [-\]: lol e7 is a move I would do
SIscurge [5d\]: id say d3
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;B[hq]C[Goreon [3d\]: all wrong ^^
Susaku [-\]: d7*
eve20 [1k\]: llya not llia?
goren2 [3k\]: f3
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
Susaku [-\]: here ouch
dmwit [3k?\]: strange
dmwit [3k?\]: Won't W enjoy chasing this stone while enlarging his corner?
Susaku [-\]: this is a is a disconnecting aji?
grumpyjoe [-\]: only clear  w territory is m2
JEGO [7k\]: h4 is an invasion move , but very difficult in this white moyo
goren2 [3k\]: So when will Tygem sponsor Europe and start creating pro's?
ivank [3k\]: h3 is brutal
eric1010 [1k\]: yep
Susaku [-\]: h3 might building to seperate the two w groups and threaten to live a bit if I had to guess
JEGO [7k\]: yes h3 move then h4 cover up
Hendrix [1d\]: if f3, b escapes or try to live with f2?
dmwit [3k?\]: lol@dude in back
Gorim [3k\]: not enough korean and chinese people living in europe to start a pro  system:P
dmwit [3k?\]: "havin' a beer, watchin' the game"
dmwit [3k?\]: Except... the game is go. =P
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;W[iq]C[Susaku [-\]: ... gorim that sounds racist but sad when it is also partly true
goren2 [3k\]: trust me, a lot more chinese are coming to europe now than 4 years ago (to study for example)
Gorim [3k\]: I don;t care how it sounds as long as I think it is true
Gorim [3k\]: :\]
Vitharr [1d\]: would people really be interrested to become pro player in europe ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
goren2 [3k\]: i'm sure this shikshin guy would
eslite [3k\]: his sister is a pro
eslite [3k\]: but he is stronger than her :P
goren2 [3k\]: If Tygem does europe as well, they will own the digital go world
TurtleDove [4k\]: In Europe pro means somebody who earns money from the game. Is that possible  ?
randomnick [1d\]: what is his strenght comparing to asian 1p?
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;B[hp]
;W[io]C[Banaan [1k\]: depends on which asian country, and on the 1p
Gorim [3k\]: there is no such thing as typical 1p strenght
Gorim [3k\]: some 1p win against 9p in tournaments
randomnick [1d\]: ok
Vitharr [1d\]: but for example if u look at chess, a game that is far more popular in europe than go, there is not many people that does a carrier with that 
randomnick [1d\]: doeasnt pmatter
pantyshot [6k\]: turtledove, in asia you can already make a living of go as far as I know and they want to build that up in america aswell
randomnick [1d\]: comparing to random asian pro
andreiraz [3k\]: d2 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: there are professional kyu players in asia
Susaku [-\]: f6
Susaku [-\]: g6*
dmwit [3k?\]: randomnick: How does a Tygem player compare to a random KGS player?
goren2 [3k\]: well, chess is dying, and go not yet. Go has a few years of non-computer play left in it
Susaku [-\]: i keep mis reading the lines
ederlezi [3k\]: then stop drinkin
Susaku [-\]: lol
Banaan [1k\]: meh, more than a few years i think
Susaku [-\]: i don't hardly ever drink
Banaan [1k\]: before a computer beats the best go players on 19x19
TurtleDove [4k\]: hmm I liked f3 instead of j5
dmwit [3k?\]: I don't think it's so many.
Cezary [5d\]: i heard there is a kyu player in ukraine that lives from teaching people how to play go : )
dmwit [3k?\]: Maybe 20.
eslite [3k\]: in germany there is one 
Banaan [1k\]: teaching is not all about strength
Shinichi56 [-\]: d2 ?
meditation [1d\]: European go players will beat Asian players, do you agree?
Cezary [5d\]: yea it is not
Cezary [5d\]: but he can be considered as professional cant he
Banaan [1k\]: being a good teacher is very difficult, and an entirely differnt skill
Banaan [1k\]: well, professional teacher
goren2 [3k\]: I give go 5 years max before comps overtake
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: mateusz hasnt changed his expression ever since i came scribing
Banaan [1k\]: i think we have to wait for the first good quantum computers
rats [2k\]: you mean european go players studying and competing together with asian players? then maybe it's possible
]
;B[er]C[Anarthos [13k?\]: you have something to back that up, goren2, i'm sure the people in computer go room would love to hear it
dmwit [3k?\]: Five years seems a bit optimistic.
randomnick [1d\]: who is this surma?
goren2 [3k\]: Zen. 
TurtleDove [4k\]: ban all bots !
randomnick [1d\]: i havent heard about him
calgacus [8k?\]: Question, what is the optimal continuation in the top right corner?
maciek [3d\]: u dont need to be strong to be a pro Cezary
zife [-\]: answer: wish we knew
]
;W[dq]
;B[dr]
;W[cr]C[maciek [3d\]: u just to need weaker than u and take money for teaching
ivank [3k\]: some random european 6d, randomnick
Banaan [1k\]: not very random
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: a polish kid who studied baduk in korea
calgacus [8k?\]: s17 is a little unusual, looks like there is no ko
ivank [3k\]: i was kidding, sorry)
dmwit [3k?\]: And I don't think you should pin many hopes on quantum computing unless you know enough about it not to pin your hopes on it.
]
;B[ho]C[Gekirin [2d\]: is this not karami? no?
Susaku [-\]: haha
goren2 [3k\]: dude, 5 years in computer time is unimaginably huge.  2 years ago comps were 3d at best.  Now they beat Masaki at h4
Susaku [-\]: seperating groups hmmm...
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: masaki is not so strong at cheating bots
goren2 [3k\]: fine - but he is a 9p pro.  
Gekirin [2d\]: cheating?
dmwit [3k?\]: There are two ways for computational strategies to improve: by waiting (and having the same algorithms run faster) and by deep thinking (and producing new algorithms that are more effective in the same amount of time).
Madzilla [2d\]: the bots are around 5d now, so giving 4 stones is quite a lot
dmwit [3k?\]: Computer go recently had a big bump in the latter -- with the beginning of the use of monte carlo methods.
maciek [3d\]: i think its not the best place to talk about bots
dmwit [3k?\]: But it's really hard to come up with many such big bumps.
Stochasty [1d\]: Not unimaginable, goren.  It's only about 2.5 doublings.  The question is how many doubling in strength are there between 5d and 7d.  :)
calgacus [8k?\]: Could we stick to the game please, heard all this computer go stuff many times.
dmwit [3k?\]: *shuts up*
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b has 1 hour left, w 1 1/4
Banaan [1k\]: agreed
Madzilla [2d\]: the game is a bit boring, B is dominating
TurtleDove [4k\]: yeah, lemmings
]
;W[in]
;B[hn]C[Banaan [1k\]: we have a computer go room
Madzilla [2d\]: it really looks like pro vs. ama 
eslite [3k\]: well it kinda is...
goren2 [3k\]: m6
maciek [3d\]: i am hoping for a double attack by white now
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b is eyeing w`s corner
ivank [3k\]: not for good
K5 [1k\]: Top left= white's corner? Or bottom left?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: c5 area
goren2 [3k\]: funny way of putting it.  
TurtleDove [4k\]: W should attack f17, leave h6 alone
gisel [3d\]: surely bottom left, ilya probably wonders how to kill it
maciek [3d\]: ilia is not crazy
Banaan [1k\]: killing it would be fun
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: now he is looking at l3 area
gisel [3d\]: its not so easy to do anything about f17 stone
manofearth [?\]: on which 2 groups?
LeonEuler [5k\]: connect his 2 groups and it is easy win
backpast3p [-\]: b gonnna kill o3 ????
LeonEuler [5k\]: o3 not going to die...
manofearth [?\]: noway
backpast3p [-\]: he's looking at
backpast3p [-\]: so he gonna do smth there
dmwit [3k?\]: non sequitur
backpast3p [-\]: smth like l3 
ivank [3k\]: b kills by looking
manofearth [?\]: 4pressure 2escap/liveainasene
goren2 [3k\]: m6, again.  stops all crazyness from b, and is sente
purun [3k\]: a cute girl is watching te game
Susaku [-\]: that woman that board hmmm...
Banaan [1k\]: suddenly, the amount of viewers doubles
Susaku [-\]: lol
eurogotv4 [-\]: :)
purun [3k\]: lol
LtColumbo [4k?\]: a cute boy is watching the game
Cereales [4k\]: lool
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: :O
Susaku [-\]: lol
eslite [3k\]: me?
Banaan [1k\]: no, me
Nodos [1k\]: hikaru
andreiraz [3k\]: lunch break ?
goren2 [3k\]: everyone checking colombo now to see if girl...
LtColumbo [4k?\]: no, they are still at the bored
Susaku [-\]: Honinbo Shusaku is watching
LtColumbo [4k?\]: board* -,-
ivank [3k\]: only americans have lunch break
bolbi [-\]: enough
blotter [21k?\]: a bot is watching
Susaku [-\]: lol
]
;W[dj]C[LtColumbo [4k?\]: america is stoopid, amirite, ivank?
Susaku [-\]: your about to cross a thin line ltc
Banaan [1k\]: not so thin, i'd say
]
;B[bm]C[ivank [3k\]: i am just talking about US pro qualifiers
Susaku [-\]: even nanoscopic a line thin it still is
Susaku [-\]: all eyes are on llia
LtColumbo [4k?\]: well, you're still wrong, ivank
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
Susaku [-\]: eyes left
ulihoeness [7k?\]: surma is very young isn t he ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: kinda
Banaan [1k\]: they both are
Susaku [-\]: looks 26-28
mthd [-\]: otherwise he would check out the lady
TurtleDove [4k\]: older than he was yesterday
Susaku [-\]: maybe less
ulihoeness [7k?\]: i played him 
salmon [1k\]: 17
ulihoeness [7k?\]: europen youth champion
Shedal [?\]: Ilya seems to be getting the better of it
mthd [-\]: he seems arrogant
arczi [4k\]: EUROGO, how much time left for both?
LtColumbo [4k?\]: he should be arrogant
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 0:59 b, 1:01 w
arczi [4k\]: thanks
LtColumbo [4k?\]: you can see the time if you look on the video
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: you can see the time at  http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 
LtColumbo [4k?\]: echo?
K5 [1k\]: How would you respond to black L3?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: kim sung rae taking pics
LtColumbo [4k?\]: just connect l4
hazanx: who is kim sung?
LtColumbo [4k?\]: k3 might work
LtColumbo [4k?\]: korean 7p i think
LtColumbo [4k?\]: has a teaching school
hazanx: he is on eurogo?
hazanx: im going to watch the video
eslite [3k\]: 8p
LtColumbo [4k?\]: "teaching school" redundant
hazanx: thx
hazanx: im logging into channel
K5 [1k\]: k3 looks too hard for me to read, l4 a loss and helps B settle on side
Susaku [-\]: d9  for w loos tempting
]
;W[bn]C[Susaku [-\]: looks*
LtColumbo [4k?\]: l3 l4 j2 k3 
Visi [16k\]: the usteam is off air?
Susaku [-\]: d9 also looks sente
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: is it?
Visi [16k\]: just went off for me
TurtleDove [4k\]: no
manofearth [?\]: so l4
Visi [16k\]: oh it's back sorry :D
Susaku [-\]: refreash visi
LtColumbo [4k?\]: but i'm pretty sure k3 works
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: try refreshment
]
;B[bl]C[manofearth [?\]: 2late now
Loial [4k\]: is it common for a stronger player to be black?
Shedal [?\]: yes
LtColumbo [4k?\]: loial, it's a tournament game. color is assigned randomly
gogonuts [5d\]: half the time the stronger player has b :-)
Cezary [5d\]: not randomly
]
;W[dk]C[Loial [4k\]: ah ok thanks didnt know that
]
;B[dl]C[Cezary [5d\]: pairing program tries to give every player equal amount of games played with white and black stones
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: is that allowed in top group?
Cezary [5d\]: why not ?
Shedal [?\]: what's wrong with old good nigiri?
Cezary [5d\]: maybe the creator of the system was bad at nigiri
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i dont think they can do any shenanigans above top bar
Susaku [-\]: hehe d9 was played rather early
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: except manipullating board numbers
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: which i suspect they did
LtColumbo [4k?\]: call a td, then, eurogotv
Cezary [5d\]: i dont know what do you mean : )
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: nvm
Susaku [-\]: e8 e10 d11 c11 d7 c8 
Susaku [-\]: might be the idea
Susaku [-\]: c8 d7 c6 e8 f9 c10  could be another
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ilyas pyramid fell apart
Susaku [-\]: told you
LtColumbo [4k?\]: :-(
Susaku [-\]: his pyramid wouldn't last 
LtColumbo [4k?\]: he should build it vertically. that would take skill
purun [3k\]: that's a bad news
eslite [3k\]: one would think a 7d can build solid groups
]
;W[dm]C[boobgoober [3k\]: what about c10 right now
Susaku [-\]: c10 c8 e8 h7 
Banaan [1k\]: noo not the pyramid
LtColumbo [4k?\]: actually it was never a pyramid
LtColumbo [4k?\]: just a triangle
]
;B[cj]C[Banaan [1k\]: ilia must be devastated
]
;W[di]C[Susaku [-\]: d11 O.O not expecting that yet
purun [3k\]: ilya fixed surma's stone placement
mthd [-\]: expect the unexpected
maciek [2d\]: Mateuisz going to win this!
LtColumbo [4k?\]: highly unlikely
Susaku [-\]: e8 e10 d11 c8 would have been my guess
Susaku [-\]: for d11
boobgoober [3k\]: i think i like black here
gisel [3d\]: nobody expects the spanish inquisition!
mthd [-\]: :) gisel
Susaku [-\]: because spain is like france.
Cezary [5d\]: but not gay
Susaku [-\]: when crap gets real they flee
manofearth [?\]: needs a kill
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: please refrain from religious talk
LtColumbo [4k?\]: q4 for the kill
Susaku [-\]: e8 removes the c8 atari cut sente
mthd [-\]: religious talk lol
arczi [4k\]: that was monty python
mthd [-\]: it was just monty python
lexterrae [9k\]: how many time?
LtColumbo [4k?\]: i'm sure he knows that. everyone knows that.
boobgoober [3k\]: b13?
TurtleDove [4k\]: and now for something completely different ..
LtColumbo [4k?\]: 51m for both
LtColumbo [4k?\]: and it is "how much time"
lexterrae [9k\]: sry
meditation [1d\]: who'sbetter?
LtColumbo [4k?\]: why apologize?
manofearth [?\]: my ancestors expected the SI and left
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b is deep in thought while w puts on the same gaze ever since i came
LtColumbo [4k?\]: i think euro is implying something
Warfreak2 [4d\]: poker face
manofearth [?\]: ??
Susaku [-\]: [insert rage meme here\] *Nuclear Tesuji time* Table Flip!
essential [4k\]: omg
essential [4k\]: they're still going? :D
essential [4k\]: I've noticed that the amount of kibitz increases directly with the time taken between moves
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
eurogotv4 [-\]: Victor is bored:)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: k*
eurogotv4 [-\]: :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: :P
MrEmDash [1k\]: seki is delicioso!
purun [3k\]: i like captured group better
MrEmDash [1k\]: true :(
manofearth [?\]: deep thought wins games
MrEmDash [1k\]: not if you think of the wrong things
purun [3k\]: feels like the board is refreshing itself when it happens
]
;B[bf]C[bisquit [2k\]: w has territory... aaaaaaaaaaand its gone
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w has h3
Warfreak2 [4d\]: quite a nice territory
]
;W[hm]C[boobgoober [3k\]: black lookin pretty good now i think
]
;B[gm]
;W[gl]C[LeonEuler [5k\]: this much thinking for such a common move...
Warfreak2 [4d\]: mateusz powah
LeonEuler [5k\]: b14
goren2 [3k\]: H3 DEAD??? no way
boobgoober [3k\]: j2
bisquit [2k\]: j2 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: dead as a dodo
]
;B[fq]C[gisel [3d\]: kill it!!! kill it with fire !!
boobgoober [3k\]: j2 k2 j4 k3 j7 j8 k5
Susaku [-\]: e8  is still good for w
goren2 [3k\]: g2 or what?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: goober read more
kamil [-\]: should be dead
manofearth [?\]: looks live
manofearth [?\]: shld be?
Cezary [5d\]: orange shirt guy
Cezary [5d\]: fabulous
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: should be alive since ilia spent 17 minutes on b14
manofearth [?\]: meaning deserves 2b?
Susaku [-\]: f7 e8 f8 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
Susaku [-\]: I can read kos all day w looks alive very deeply while is risking
Susaku [-\]: b is risking*
LtColumbo [4k?\]: b is fine
Susaku [-\]: to an extent but still treading
mthd [-\]: orange guy has to be german
LtColumbo [4k?\]: keep comments about the game. not the audience
mthd [-\]: hope u wont arrest me
Susaku [-\]: guy in red creeps me out and looks weird
]
;W[je]C[purun [3k\]: i wanna have that white hair
purun [3k\]: its so cool
blotter [21k?\]: f 15 ?
libell [3d?\]: me too!!!
Susaku [-\]: lol
libell [3d?\]: high five!
goren2 [3k\]: d18
purun [3k\]: high five!!
ShenWei [2k\]: w g2 didnt kill?
LtColumbo [4k?\]: no
Cezary [5d\]: he is german cuz he dyed his hair to be blonde
Cezary [5d\]: i wonder why..
Zipek [12k?\]: for money!
Cezary [5d\]: i dont think its about the money
Malingo [4d\]: only germans are fake blondes?
Zipek [12k?\]: it's always about sex and money
boobgoober [3k\]: d17?
]
;B[fm]C[Susaku [-\]: zipek no its about power those are just by products
manofearth [?\]: really.not natural?
Zipek [12k?\]: hmm sweet move
Susaku [-\]: e8 common locally
]
;W[cl]C[goren2 [3k\]: c17
Susaku [-\]: thats good too
manofearth [?\]: w resign here?
boobgoober [3k\]: c8 alot more aji than e8
Susaku [-\]: no
Susaku [-\]: whas a nice threat here
Canon [2k\]: what country is 
LtColumbo [4k?\]: germany
Canon [2k\]: Mateusz?
Zipek [12k?\]: Poland
the42 [4k\]: India
Canon [2k\]: thx
juggler [3d\]: mateusz is a person, not a country
Susaku [-\]: b9 needed to aji cut
Zipek [12k?\]: ^^
goren2 [3k\]: country is a place with borders which governs itself
zum [-\]: is cornel still playing?
Susaku [-\]: d17 say b tenukis, b9 a9 b10 c11 a7 
Malingo [4d\]: sounds like a person
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
LtColumbo [4k?\]: b9 not so important
maciek [3d\]: lepiej to teraz wyglada niz na poczatku
LeonEuler [5k\]: country is an imagined community
bolbi [-\]: please
zum [-\]: did cornel make it in the final 8?
eurogotv4 [-\]: yes
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: fabulously
zum [-\]: holy socks! : ))
Cezary [5d\]: bolbi thats just half of a meme
Laman [1d\]: zum: see eurogotv3
boobgoober [3k\]: b9?.. c11!
boobgoober [3k\]: thats where the cut it
boobgoober [3k\]: is*
zum [-\]: thanks Laman
Cezary [5d\]: f7 czarnego to blad ?
zum [-\]: did losses to noneuropeans count?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: you can catch a glimpse of cornel at http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 
goren2 [3k\]: czemu blad?
maciek [3d\]: nie wiem ale wydaje mi sie ze zarny prowadzi a zawsze jak mi sie tak wydaje to okazuje sie ze prowadzi jednak bialy wiec wnioskuje ze jest calkiem calkiem
manofearth [?\]: b considers tenuki?
Cezary [5d\]: no wydaje mi sie ze blad bo wymusil zagranie bialego w c8
goren2 [3k\]: po m14 bialy raczej nie prowadzi...
Warfreak2 [4d\]: taking g8 is big
Susaku [-\]: btw are they using shoal stones or glass?
Cezary [5d\]: a to chyba nie jest jakos nazbyt fajne dla czarnego
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: shell
LtColumbo [4k?\]: glass probably
LtColumbo [4k?\]: oh, shell
ponno [6k?\]: time left?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b 0:32 w 0:44
Susaku [-\]: shoal stones can be quite expensive so their very nice to play with though a bit heavy depending on the shoal grades
ponno [6k?\]: ty henry
LtColumbo [4k?\]: henry
LtColumbo [4k?\]: lol
Susaku [-\]: \\shoal is a type of shell btw
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: :)
boobgoober [3k\]: this is why b should have played b13 instead of b14 takes away c11 cut
]
;B[hl]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: she sells sea shells by the sea shore
Susaku [-\]: the wood looks like ever pine
LtColumbo [4k?\]: b13 would have been slow, boob, because the cut wasn't an immediate threat
manofearth [?\]: he did tenuki!
LtColumbo [4k?\]: ofc he did
juggler [3d\]: whatch out! it's an atari!
Susaku [-\]: maybe sacrafice the stone
]
;W[ci]C[Susaku [-\]: g9 maybe say i don't care
]
;B[bi]C[cucaiduong [3k?\]: bad for B
]
;W[bh]C[Insidius [1d?\]: wow 2 1/2 hour each... long games and interesting
LtColumbo [4k?\]: no, this is fine
Susaku [-\]: b9  for w next?
]
;B[ah]C[manofearth [?\]: capture live with 1/2
cucaiduong [3k?\]: b10
boobgoober [3k\]: called it
LtColumbo [4k?\]: you guys sure do know a lot of bad moves
Susaku [-\]: hehe b9 is ko isn't it?
]
;W[bj]
;B[bg]
;W[bk]C[TurtleDove [4k\]: I know loads
Susaku [-\]: same here
goren2 [3k\]: d18 now
Susaku [-\]: d17  play a little loose
Susaku [-\]: invite w to try something
boobgoober [3k\]: b needs life for b14 first
Susaku [-\]: yep
boobgoober [3k\]: or it wont be w trying something it will be w doing something
Susaku [-\]: c16 this works just nice
mpepe16 [6d\]: Strange but I like w here.
boobgoober [3k\]: b made big mistake with b14
LtColumbo [4k?\]: just d13 probably
LtColumbo [4k?\]: b14 was/is fine
kubeo [3d\]: l2
Susaku [-\]: c16 c15 b15 c17 c13  life
goren2 [3k\]: l2 m6
LtColumbo [4k?\]: c16 lets white solidify territory
maciek [3d\]: looks really cool for white, true?
LtColumbo [4k?\]: why would you want to do that
Susaku [-\]: yes but black can spoil a bit of the corner as well so it might even out
Blubbel [3d\]: i like b
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: these thinking times are bad for the scribe
LtColumbo [4k?\]: why?
LtColumbo [4k?\]: do you get tired?
goren2 [3k\]: bored
manofearth [?\]: i don' no y h8 was worth this
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i just kinda blackputed
]
;B[dc]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: out*
LtColumbo [4k?\]: blackputed?
LtColumbo [4k?\]: oh, blackedout
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: blacked out
goren2 [3k\]: blackouted
goren2 [3k\]: which isnt a real word
manofearth [?\]: here ugo, susa
LtColumbo [4k?\]: if eurogo says it's a word, i believe him
boobgoober [3k\]: c16 kill?
eve20 [1k\]: kill what
juggler [3d\]: nein, c13 is always a gote life, so you need c16 and c13 and no aji
fan [-\]: nein:)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i think b would give awaz b14
eve20 [1k\]: why c 13
maciek [3d\]: w szwajcarii mowia po niemiecku?
Susaku [-\]: trade b14 for a new chance
Cezary [5d\]: tak
Cezary [5d\]: i po francusku
libell [3d?\]: i po wlosku
Siasio [4d\]: po niemiecku, francusku, a na południu nawet po włosku
maciek [3d\]: no wlasnie myslalem ze po francusku
Cezary [5d\]: i po dialekcie szwajcarskim czasami
goren2 [3k\]: i po angielsku
juggler [3d\]: napisny na sklepach sa po niemiecku :)
]
;W[cd]
;B[cc]C[goren2 [3k\]: b dead ater b15
Cezary [5d\]: bo w szwajcarii sie nic nie zmienia i tak zostaly od
Cezary [5d\]: a nie ale jestem glupi
eve20 [1k\]: he can out withd13
manofearth [?\]: no he isn't
zeku [1k\]: b15 c14 a14 c15 b16 d15 e14 e16 f15  escape I think
]
;W[bd]C[manofearth [?\]: d16 kills
]
;B[dg]C[manofearth [?\]: ?
juggler [3d\]: smoking kills
DmitryK [9k\]: he doesn't need to go away, i think)
manofearth [?\]: or is interesting
Weishenme [5d\]: who has the advantage ?
]
;W[cf]C[manofearth [?\]: it's on!
TurtleDove [4k\]: dunno, if W ends sente and o14 or so ....
]
;B[eg]C[Bauer [1k\]: w is fightibf really hard
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: c14 seems too much
Susaku [-\]: how the..
purun [3k\]: the board is empty
Susaku [-\]: i leave for 3 mins to this
purun [3k\]: the player both went away
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: both players left the board
Shibui [8k\]: lunch?
mthd [-\]: it means its over? 
boobgoober [3k\]: that old man is more dedicated to that game than the players
mthd [-\]: when go game ends?
Susaku [-\]: no mthd
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w returned
manofearth [?\]: bu w mustc14 or res
kapa [-\]: SE gives funny image))
Susaku [-\]: c14 is already played
]
;W[fd]C[yamesh [8k\]: Is there live video?
Susaku [-\]: yes
mthd [-\]: yes there is
tenrai [2k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
yamesh [8k\]: thanks
yamesh [8k\]: !
fan [-\]: how much time left?
mthd [-\]: 0:22 for ilia
mthd [-\]: black's time is blurred
juggler [3d\]: zoom and enhance
mthd [-\]: I mean surma's time blurred
mthd [-\]: haha
mthd [-\]: and remove dog's barking
goren2 [3k\]: where does it take place?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b has 0:30 remaining
goren2 [3k\]: the venue?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: stadthalle bad godesberg/bonn
mthd [-\]: you mean w* 0:30
goren2 [3k\]: tks
fan [-\]: thx
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes w*, sorry
Aokame [?\]: its boring to look at european players. wish i could see more youngsam games :(
goren2 [3k\]: been tellling this to everyone:  If you want to see the most exciting player, check out Ko Geun Tae - even youtube has some of his games
gisel [3d\]: nah, you can watch 24h/day asian games on Tygem
LtColumbo [4k?\]: aokame must be professional
manofearth [?\]: Ko his real name?
LtColumbo [4k?\]: too good for these european players
]
;B[ec]C[evanj [3d\]: his real name is steve
TurtleDove [4k\]: lol
goren2 [3k\]: yeah.  Google Ko Geun Tae baduk and you will see youtube vids
LtColumbo [4k?\]: there is a canadian player named ko dae hyuk
]
;W[fg]
;B[cg]C[Aokame [?\]: youngsam (korondo) is special. you cant compare him to europeans. also always the same players in euro
TurtleDove [4k\]: a14
LtColumbo [4k?\]: i've never seen matesuz play before
Aokame [?\]: but i did
eve20 [1k\]: b said u choose
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i have played him
Susaku [-\]: Ia14 a15 b15 a13 a16 ?
Susaku [-\]: no...
Susaku [-\]: then b breaks
LtColumbo [4k?\]: right. i understand your objection. you get tired of watching the same players play so you just want to watch one player all of the time. got it
Insidius [1d?\]: no if w a14 black e14
eurogotv4 [-\]: cornel lost
LtColumbo [4k?\]: too bad :-(
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: oh
Insidius [1d?\]: miai
Susaku [-\]: yea
]
;W[gd]C[juggler [3d\]: can now 2 kill the corner?
Insidius [1d?\]: now a 14?
Insidius [1d?\]: or b15*
ZenMonk [4k\]: b12 is dead?
Insidius [1d?\]: no can still live with b15
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: a15?
eve20 [1k\]: a15
Madzilla [2d\]: E14?
SIkachnak [3d\]: a15 better forstall b18
ZenMonk [4k\]: a14?
Insidius [1d?\]: oh yeah :P
Aokame [?\]: i guess you are not harry euro?
Susaku [-\]: or a15
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: why would you think so?
ZenMonk [4k\]: if white a15, then black a14 and lives
ZenMonk [4k\]: if white a14, i think b dies no?
ZenMonk [4k\]: makes fake eye
Susaku [-\]: a15 a14 b15 
viu30h [5k\]: harry is now big in the minion business
Aokame [?\]: i think so. harry rarely talks and esepcially hes never saying some moves ;) but i could be wrong oc
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: oh
eve20 [1k\]: b's turn
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: you are right
boobgoober [3k\]: b has two weak groups hes in trouble
ZenMonk [4k\]: i'm right :D
Bauer [1k\]: b a15 ?
ZenMonk [4k\]: i wonder if they see that
juggler [3d\]: 7dan can have 3 weak groups
Aokame [?\]: (and less mistakes, joke)
ZenMonk [4k\]: i see strong move @)_(@
viu30h [5k\]: in cornels game opp made several weak groups cornel resigned cause he couldnt kill any and had no territory left
higaki94 [4d?\]: time?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: this tsumego extends to p17
zima [2k\]: e16 ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w 0:25:00 b 12:06
higaki94 [4d?\]: thanks
Susaku [-\]: video is lagging again?
viu30h [5k\]: wouldnt it be funny if ilya and silt lost too now?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
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;B[ed]C[Susaku [-\]: not what I asked but...
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: video is always lagging
Susaku [-\]: most of the time for me it doesn't it's like 2-3 seconds slower then real events
purun [3k\]: b goes for a kill
Kamill [4k\]: what's going on? b protect his corner and then w will break  b  right moyo?
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;W[ef]C[Susaku [-\]: ah! this is clever
]
;B[ff]C[Susaku [-\]: atari!
ZenMonk [4k\]: e15!  
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: awesome
goren2 [3k\]: does b have enough liberties for this?
Susaku [-\]: g14 don't matter to e15
juggler [3d\]: san someone explain to me what is just happening
Susaku [-\]: though it leaves some bad shape for w later
Lake [4k\]: back in school ilya's favorite computer game was kknd
Thoravatar [3d\]: fighting for sente
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: if w g14, b makes both groups alive with b`17
goren2 [3k\]: a14 does not kill b?
x0000 [-\]: a14 kills w
LeonEuler [5k\]: black tricky
ZenMonk [4k\]: I don'tk now about now but yes, a14 kills black
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thomas beat antti
zima [2k\]: a14 b15 
LeonEuler [5k\]: wont kill die to a shortage of liberty
Thoravatar [3d\]: white has way to little liberties for a14
Thoravatar [3d\]: way too few*
ZenMonk [4k\]: yea needs to connect first
Madzilla [2d\]: hmm, if W plays E15 there is really bad aji after B lives with B15
Kerkere1: Did Cornel win his game?
isumi43 [5k\]: nope
viu30h [5k\]: nope
viu30h [5k\]: lost a terrible game  will probably go home and review for weeks why he lost a game with so many opp weaknesses
x0000 [-\]: I think w can b17 
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;W[gf]
;B[bc]
;W[rb]
;B[rd]
;W[nb]C[base [-\]: maybe you should just save him the time viu and review for him. . . 
juggler [3d\]: were these moves played that fast or is just a eurogo that slept for a while?
goren2 [3k\]: yeah viu...you seem to be a real pro when it comes to seeing weakneses
viu30h [5k\]: i mean on principle   i could lose games with my opp having 20 weak groups
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: they were played that fast
kasuaali [?\]: Which one is w? Android KGS doesn't show names.
goren2 [3k\]: perhaps, just perhaps, you might not know what a weakness actually means?
Susaku [-\]: the camera play back is slower then real time so it takes a couple secs to see it after he makes it
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w surma vs b shikshin
klausP [3d?\]: a16 is sente against b14 - that might be usefull for w
Korf [1k\]: w is Mateusz Surma
Susaku [-\]: but yeah very fast moves
kasuaali [?\]: kthx
Susaku [-\]: no thought to them
Susaku [-\]: just common plays
viu30h [5k\]: if white invades everywhere with ignoring his other weak groups to take b new potential and so has 2  and a possible 3rd weak group yeah i call that weaknesses -.-
mthd [-\]: no thought ?
mthd [-\]: what a troll you are
goren2 [3k\]: i call that a trade
Susaku [-\]: I
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;B[mb]C[x0000 [-\]: a16 a17 
viu30h [5k\]: nothing or everything is hardly a trade
Susaku [-\]: I'm not troll mate just my opinion that lies next to the cliff waiting to be push over
mthd [-\]: :)
ZenMonk [4k\]: can white still a14?
mthd [-\]: that moves were well thaught (?) earlier
eve20 [1k\]: w a14 b still can connect
mthd [-\]: just waited for the correct time to play them
goren2 [3k\]: a14 leads to death
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: a14 b15 a15 c15 d15 f15
Desperis [2k\]: b17 is very nice!
Susaku [-\]: earlier or not their pretty simple plays so does thought really need to be used for them?
Susaku [-\]: maybe jsut a little
LeonEuler [5k\]: f14 was the suji
Desperis [2k\]: indeed
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;W[ob]C[zima [2k\]: a14 b15 a15 f15 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i wonder what would have happended if w had responded e16 at f14
mthd [-\]: yes Susaku, they think before each move
gerd [1d\]: white cant a14: b b15 w a15 ba13 w a16 b f15 w e15 b c15
ZenMonk [4k\]: ah c15
eve20 [1k\]: a14 b15a15a17
goren2 [3k\]: n16
Susaku [-\]: a15  for b is still solid if b plays it in sente
]
;B[lc]C[ZenMonk [4k\]: o14
x0000 [-\]: w even don't have a17 or a15 yose
]
;W[md]C[goren2 [3k\]: this will end in resignation soon
TurtleDove [4k\]: seems close
mpepe16 [6d\]: for who?
isumi43 [5k\]: good question
Susaku [-\]: for w
Gorim [3k\]: we keep reading this from move 28 or something like that
goren2 [3k\]: w will resign
klausP [3d?\]: btw, w can THREATEN  a14, to attack b17, not PLAY a14 at once
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: looks close game with b holding the edge
]
;B[ld]C[purun [3k\]: reading the top left sequence you all gave makes me think its beautiful defense
klausP [3d?\]: w doing a good job here, just the first corner was good for black immo
maciek [3d\]: WOAH
maciek [3d\]: who is ahead now?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: he can not even do that, klaus, due to the awesomeness of the ilya
Susaku [-\]: b is a head by moyo but might soon change
Kamill [4k\]: hope that moyo collapse
maciek [3d\]: j7 looks big
x0000 [-\]: m15 ?
]
;W[mc]C[DmitryK [9k\]: what if W o16?
goren2 [3k\]: that w corner looks shaky.
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;B[me]
;W[nd]
;B[ne]C[mthd [-\]: btw EuroGoTV1, what kind of camera is that ?
]
;W[od]
;B[oe]C[Susaku [-\]: that middle is so undecided
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;W[oc]
;B[kf]C[mthd [-\]: it looks like it has fish-eye lense on it
shenzhen [3d\]: the h7 stone sitting in atari looks so funny
Backflash [6k\]: im too late for this game =\\
mw0x2a [?\]: the center will be shared. maybe 5p for each
purun [3k\]: they play very fast
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: its a camera with a tripod
Desperis [2k\]: That middle is SO not the point...
ponno [6k?\]: fish-eye? not at all
Backflash [6k\]: wow, what a seki!
Damasippus [7k?\]: W seems a long way behind
maligo [5d\]: how did it finish on boards 2 and 3?
Newbie58 [9k\]: What's your rank EuroGo?
paindepice [4d\]: debarre won :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: simara and debarre won respectively
Gorim [3k\]: Antti and Cornel lost
Susaku [-\]: 3 sornel resigned
Laman [1d\]: Debarre, Šimara won
Susaku [-\]: cornel
Backflash [6k\]: cornel lost?  sad
goren2 [3k\]: I see b leading by about 10
purun [3k\]: cornel lost at board 3
Susaku [-\]: yep
Susaku [-\]: to weak groups
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i am 4.5d
maciek [3d\]: i sadly think the same goren3
mw0x2a [?\]: i thought you were 2k, euro
Newbie58 [9k\]: thanks ... with respect
ponno [6k?\]: the leggend!^^
Laman [1d\]: euro improved by watching the best players
maligo [5d\]: thanks
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;W[kh]C[southdock: the Legend is here
gisel [3d\]: more like I see black leading by maybe 0,5 a point
Susaku [-\]: so many watchin g the board atm
Susaku [-\]: 7
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;B[jf]C[maciek [3d\]: M13?
maligo [5d\]: what is surmas nick on kgs?
maciek [3d\]: M13?
androgo [2d\]: no, b ahead by min 6 pts
maciek [3d\]: dracula
southdock: The legend read out the game till the end and left.
androgo [2d\]: rather 10 I'd say
maciek [3d\]: Surma's nick is dracula
Susaku [-\]: legend?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: he is right behind me
Pawelp [6k\]: drakula
goren2 [3k\]: did murugandi show up?
Pawelp [6k\]: or drakula
maciek [3d\]: ah of course "drakula":))
Pawelp [6k\]: :)
goren2 [3k\]: l18 then g17 for w?
TurtleDove [4k\]: L10 maybe
petition [2k\]: pretty comfy game for b
petition [2k\]: many opportunities to expand
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b 3:46 min left, w 8:24
Susaku [-\]: m14  probe time?
Cereales [4k\]: N11
Cereales [4k\]: :p
paulcodiny [3k\]: is a14 kills?
Zipek [12k?\]: m11 mby?
brainiaq [2k\]: no
kapa [-\]: no
Pawelp [6k\]: how to invade black's moyo on right?
brainiaq [2k\]: b15
LeonEuler [5k\]: k11
brainiaq [2k\]: threatens to capture
copyright [2d\]: j7 
shenzhen [3d\]: r14 can live easy riiiight? :-)
paulcodiny [3k\]: b15 a15
Cereales [4k\]: a14 a15 b15 a16
brainiaq [2k\]: c15
brainiaq [2k\]: b15 a15 c15
brainiaq [2k\]: threatens f15
brainiaq [2k\]: b wins liberty race
paulcodiny [3k\]: oh
paulcodiny [3k\]: thx
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;W[li]C[blotter [21k?\]: k14
Zipek [12k?\]: hahah
Zipek [12k?\]: i told ya :D
maligo [5d\]: l11 
vitaal [3k\]: k11
whistler [1d\]: Go Mateusz!
x0000 [-\]: l11 n10 ?
mthd [-\]: whistler my man
Zipek [12k?\]: yeyeye
whistler [1d\]: !!!
maligo [5d\]: l11 n10 l10 
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;B[mi]C[goren2 [3k\]: l10
]
;W[kj]C[LovroKlc [-\]: maligo go to your facebook account and get strong
x0000 [-\]: l11 n10 l10 n12 — there would be a cut at m9 
paulcodiny [3k\]: o10 ?
goren2 [3k\]: n10
maligo [5d\]: i am not playing on wbaduk tournament nor egc next year...
Lothus [1k\]: i teraz nie wiem komu kibicować...
LovroKlc [-\]: damn
Gorim [3k\]: Mateusz strikes back
Gorim [3k\]: hope remains!:P
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;B[mj]C[GetStrong [1d\]: yes, maligo, go get strong
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b in byoyomi
LovroKlc [-\]: haha
goren2 [3k\]: i think w equalized
goren2 [3k\]: l9
TurtleDove [4k\]: peeep
Backflash [6k\]: n12 following the logic?
Cereales [4k\]: W is so strong
goren2 [3k\]: l9 first
Ranchan [-\]: m13 
maligo [5d\]: and i am not coming this saturday...
Cereales [4k\]: K9 good move ?
vitaal [3k\]: black ahead?
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;W[ke]C[BlackSmurf [2k\]: who are the players please ?
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;B[le]
;W[lg]C[Bauer [1k\]: black far ahead
Pawelp [6k\]: b: roln
goren2 [3k\]: i think very equl now
Athanor [-\]: not so far?
gdghgjd [3d\]: there is still big endgame to play. I would not bet my money on anyone now...
Cereales [4k\]: I m not sure
Pawelp [6k\]: w: mateusz surma
BlackSmurf [2k\]: thx
gfdhff [1k\]: Go Surma GOOO
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;B[lf]C[Pawelp [6k\]: np
]
;W[mh]
;B[nh]C[Susaku [-\]: i would bet on b winning
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;W[ng]
;B[og]C[Susaku [-\]: \\by 2.5
Pawelp [6k\]: w will win :D
]
;W[kk]
;B[lk]C[goren2 [3k\]: l18
randomnick [1d\]: l18  premature
Insidius [1d?\]: g18 first?
Cereales [4k\]: SE said W is leading.. so B will win
gdghgjd [3d\]: b does not use his time...is white in byoyomi too?
copyright [2d\]: f8  or j7 
ThiGar [3k\]: g9
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w will be in byoyomi in  a minute
Insidius [1d?\]: f8 big no?
goren2 [3k\]: or p12 and continue in there?
randomnick [1d\]: nope
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w enters byoyomi as forecasted
fh [2d?\]: j7
lorill [2k\]: if w wins, this will show that the tournament format isn't so good. Having roln not in the finals considering how he did in the open would be strange
surunveri [2k\]: even if SE doesnt not do the count as well as good players do, think it picks the winner correctly more than 50% of the time? So it would count as weakish probabilistic evidence? :D
zzzzzzz22 [4k\]: Go Ilya!
juggler [3d\]: but how much of that is that you believe he is a better player and how much on the position?
LBreeze: j7 g9 ?
Backflash [6k\]: yup
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;W[im]
;B[gk]C[Backflash [6k\]: heh
LBreeze: omg
goren2 [3k\]: e8
mthd [-\]: w zasadzie czarny ma tylko jeden teren
Korf [1k\]: lorill: istn't every format somehow unjust?
Bira [1d\]: h9 ?
peugeot [4d\]: answer to a14?
stonebyte [2k\]: big mistake by white?
x0000 [-\]: a14 b15 
locker [1d\]: black must hope for white mistakes, i guess
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: oh that was my face blocking the v9iew
]
;W[fn]
;B[gn]C[nanotech [2k\]: seems everything was better than that
lorill [2k\]: yeah, i know about the sos lottery. I'm not sure what's better
goren2 [3k\]: um, w will have big problems if b plays k11, no?
Madzilla [2d\]: W has J8, so not really
]
;W[fo]C[backpast3p [-\]: could u remind me a sequence after w a14 ?
Madzilla [2d\]: now B plays J8?
goren2 [3k\]: ends with f15 for b
Ranchan [-\]: a14 b15 a15 f15 e15 c15 
Kartex [?\]: b15 a15 a17 a16 c15 
Vorador [-\]: the best way to look at the format is to view the first 7 games as prelims, and the last games as the actual tourey
]
;B[mp]C[Araunt [?\]: is Black B13 totally alive ?
Susaku [-\]: m5 
gisel [3d\]: yeah
LBreeze: lol
Insidius [1d?\]: m3?
Susaku [-\]: no m5
Pawelp [6k\]: can w kill c13?
]
;W[mq]
;B[lo]C[Susaku [-\]: or n3
Cereales [4k\]: L3
Horse [5k?\]: man i am so bad,...
gisel [3d\]: c13 cant be killed
southdock: W ahead
Horse [5k?\]: white plays a14 then what?
gisel [3d\]: a14 b15 a15 c15 d15 f15 
]
;W[ko]C[LBreeze: Ilia must try to kill m11 
Susaku [-\]: l6 maybe?
cucaiduong [3k?\]: L5 seem quite risky
forgotten [6d\]: what if m3?
forgotten [6d\]: m3 l4 m2?
juggler [3d\]: bold i'd say
x0000 [-\]: m3 m2 I think
stonebyte [2k\]: yes very
stonebyte [2k\]: why?
forgotten [6d\]: yes have to
]
;B[kq]C[Susaku [-\]: l3...
Kartex [?\]: cool
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: :D
x0000 [-\]: Is j2 sente?
Backflash [6k\]: remind me egc website please
Susaku [-\]: both in byo-yomi?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
Laman [1d\]: egc2012.eu
Susaku [-\]: how many periods?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 1x 1 min i think
]
;W[ln]C[Backflash [6k\]: thx
]
;B[mn]
;W[jq]C[viu30h [5k\]: i hope white doesnt lose cause of the -1 point timesuji
LBreeze: l2 ?
]
;B[lq]C[Backflash [6k\]: it's not exactly minus
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: im afraid b made some minus
]
;W[lr]C[forgotten [6d\]: why m2?
]
;B[kp]C[goren2 [3k\]: sente
forgotten [6d\]: ah otherwise k2
Susaku [-\]: threat to ko
stonebyte [2k\]: for sente
]
;W[kr]C[Backflash [6k\]: minus eh?
andreiraz [3k\]: g17 
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;B[il]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
Horse [5k?\]: white can reduce a little with p12 still right?
cucaiduong [3k?\]: yeah
]
;W[jl]C[Backflash [6k\]: no
randomnick [1d\]: j8 huge
paulcodiny [3k\]: no
mozarto [2k?\]: no
x0000 [-\]: but b can p12 o11 p14 n13 
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;B[ij]C[Susaku [-\]: splendid moves
backpast3p [-\]: b's sente there
goren2 [3k\]: k11
MicMac [2d\]: a14 don't work?
Cereales [4k\]: P12 gote
mozarto [2k?\]: no
Cereales [4k\]: because of snapback
purun [3k\]: wow again....
]
;W[kn]C[mozarto [2k?\]: a14 b15 and so on
]
;B[ji]C[Susaku [-\]: i thought a snapback as to sacrafice something to make a ko
]
;W[ki]C[DPRK [1d\]: b working for f12?
x0000 [-\]: c1
MicMac [2d\]: i don't see the snapback.... ( still a17 lib no?
backpast3p [-\]: f12 f15 a15 gote
goren2 [3k\]: m4 getting big
goren2 [3k\]: a cool 6 points
Insidius [1d?\]: j18 too
]
;B[gc]C[mw0x2a [4k?\]: hmm, w is ahead
mozarto [2k?\]: a14 b15 a15 c15 d15 f15
GoRoGoRo [8k?\]: W a14 kills, no?
Guyome [2d\]: m4 small compared to A17 or T18
Newbie58 [9k\]: No ....
goren2 [3k\]: someone make it a sticky that a14 does not kill
]
;W[hc]C[Newbie58 [9k\]: a14 kills white ...
]
;B[hb]C[Cereales [4k\]: P12 O11 P14 Q13 O14 Q14 N13, so P12 gote
TurtleDove [4k\]: yet
mozarto [2k?\]: goren see my msg
gerd [1d\]: no because b e15
goren2 [3k\]: f15
]
;W[ib]
;B[hd]C[MicMac [2d\]: thx mozarto
gerd [1d\]: f15
mozarto [2k?\]: u're welcome
]
;W[fe]C[goren2 [3k\]: time is right for f15
mw0x2a [4k?\]: hey guis, a14 kills
]
;B[ad]C[Newbie58 [9k\]: now ...
]
;W[ic]C[gerd [1d\]: now maybe killed
Horse [5k?\]: lol
goren2 [3k\]: b mistake here or what?
Cereales [4k\]: A15 !!
LBreeze: h14 
mozarto [2k?\]: w very strong, what a comeback !
maciek [3d\]: omg, white really ahead?
prohogiy [4k\]: а15 а17
Horse [5k?\]: a15 would be ignored
stonebyte [2k\]: very nice by white
prohogiy [4k\]: b15 a14
Horse [5k?\]: and a14 played
]
;B[eo]C[stonebyte [2k\]: ???
prohogiy [4k\]: )))0
goren2 [3k\]: going for b2 obviously\\
yabyum [3k\]: time?
LBreeze: not need to defend
x0000 [-\]: f4 b2 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: e5 i don't understand
]
;W[ep]C[wojtek85 [1d\]: d5
mozarto [2k?\]: for sente
slender [2d\]: time tesuji
]
;B[fp]C[prohogiy [4k\]: sente close g5
stonebyte [2k\]: no! F4 instead
Warfreak2 [4d\]: couldn't w have f4
Horse [5k?\]: yeah
Horse [5k?\]: white coulda f4'd
Cereales [4k\]: E5 make bad shape 4 white
Horse [5k?\]: it wasnt sente
kimball [3d?\]: no yose tesuji, making g 5 sente or allowing b2
sagesse [-\]: whos that old guy standing there all the time?
Cereales [4k\]: E5 stylesuji
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: which one
]
;W[do]C[locker [1d\]: black needs still a miracle to win this, i think
]
;B[cs]C[slender [2d\]: tenuki
mw0x2a [4k?\]: no miracle, just a good yose
goren2 [3k\]: w so wants to eat m4...
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
locker [1d\]: not enough here, i fear
]
;W[br]C[mw0x2a [4k?\]: j15 big
x0000 [-\]: t18 
sagesse [-\]: from live stream old guy with glasses--he's been there all these hours it seems
LBreeze: g12 
]
;B[he]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: who is ahead?
goren2 [3k\]: h14
peugeot [4d\]: b
mw0x2a [4k?\]: w when i counted last
mw0x2a [4k?\]: but it is close
maciek [3d\]: i am trying to count
mw0x2a [4k?\]: v. close
peugeot [4d\]: b
]
;W[kb]C[lorill [2k\]: black, sadly
]
;B[lb]
;W[gb]
;B[fb]C[MrZNF [6d\]: hmm, l18 feels bad
Susaku [-\]: b wins by 2.5 points at the end but thats just my gut speaking
locker [1d\]: white, i guess
JckSuku [2k\]: se i trust :s
gisel [3d\]: in se we trust... white is leading
]
;W[ha]C[Horse [5k?\]: I suck at counting xD
Susaku [-\]: Se can be quite wrong
x0000 [-\]: Se can't win if there is a seki =)
shenzhen [3d\]: i think b is ahead by a few
K5 [1k\]: T18
Horse [5k?\]: i counted around 65ish for b.
gogol1er [1k?\]: e12?
gdghgjd [3d\]: go t18
forgotten [6d\]: f12?
viu30h [5k\]: if ilya gets euro champ again itll be boring
JEGO [7k\]: there is the seki not to count?
]
;B[sb]C[maciek [3d\]: white ahead!
JEGO [7k\]: black and white event i think , depend of the senté :)
shenzhen [3d\]: just simple j15 seems enough for b
prohogiy [4k\]: p12 big for w? )
DPRK [1d\]: b ahead clearly
mw0x2a [4k?\]: w+3.5
MrZNF [6d\]: white seems ahead by komi or so
maciek [3d\]: around safe +0,5 lead
shenzhen [3d\]: p12 not so big
LBreeze: b++
]
;W[ra]C[shenzhen [3d\]: cos w will end gote cos of snapsnap
Cereales [4k\]: p12 small gote
Horse [5k?\]: man with out seki I count white down by 5
stonebyte [2k\]: very close game
Horse [5k?\]: but like i said i suck.
]
;B[jd]C[mthd [-\]: ale emocje na koniec
Hino [-\]: ;(
gisel [3d\]: w+4,5 I count
Zipek [12k?\]: mateusz tyra :D
Zipek [12k?\]: mowilem ze da rade :D
maciek [3d\]: me too gisel
JEGO [7k\]: j2  also some points
maciek [3d\]: bialy o troszke
prohogiy [4k\]: wow
Insidius [1d?\]: nice sente
prohogiy [4k\]: k16)
Pawelp [6k\]: no i gites
]
;W[fj]C[prohogiy [4k\]: oych
mthd [-\]: dawaj gienek dawaj
Goreon [3d\]: very close game
Insidius [1d?\]: ;)
]
;B[el]C[Pawelp [6k\]: tylko zeby mateusz dotrzymal wynik do konca
slender [2d\]: a15
RapyutaF [1k\]: 490 obs
Susaku [-\]: f9 
maciek [3d\]: e tam dotrzymywal...niech gra swoje
Horse [5k?\]: I counted white 58 to b 62 lul...is their komi?
shenzhen [3d\]: not sure what game you guys are counting, b clearly wins
mthd [-\]: jak on nie dotrzyma wyniku ja nie dotrzymam pecherza i zwieracza
bartosz [-\]: maciek, to jest równoznaczne :)
shenzhen [3d\]: i'll bet my honour on it
mpepe16 [6d\]: a15
Hendrix [1d\]: j15?
maciek [3d\]: to okej:)
]
;W[ae]C[Pawelp [6k\]: teraz to sie polsko-angielsko zrobilo na czacie :)
Sheriffi [-\]: Your honour isn't worth that much
Susaku [-\]: i'll bet bpixie sticks b wins by 2.5
]
;B[ac]C[Hino [-\]: Polacy emocji nie wytrzymali ;)
Pawelp [6k\]: wiadomo
Zipek [12k?\]: zdarza sie
hihahohu: black wins by 2-4
]
;W[be]
;B[af]C[hihahohu: at least
Susaku [-\]: + komi
maciek [3d\]: mamateusz idzie na mistrza europy w go to niech sie ludziska troche polskiego poducza
goren2 [3k\]: spokojnie, moze wygra
prohogiy [4k\]: e15 big, but gote)
Hendrix [1d\]: p12?
Pawelp [6k\]: na olimpiadzie nam nie idzie to trzeba sie na egc skupic
]
;W[ee]
;B[fa]C[prohogiy [4k\]: gotee
Insidius [1d?\]: o14?
prohogiy [4k\]: oy
prohogiy [4k\]: sente))
]
;W[ga]C[Susaku [-\]: because of komi one wil win b y atleast X.5
shenzhen [3d\]: where x = -5
Horse [5k?\]: j15?
viu30h [5k\]: lol i hope ilya looses than all favourites are down
shenzhen [3d\]: ilya has won
prohogiy [4k\]: l17?
no [1d?\]: l17 
Susaku [-\]: x= whole number
goren2 [3k\]: someone play m4 before i get a heart attack
gdghgjd [3d\]: very close
LBreeze: g12 
Hendrix [1d\]: I'd play p12 as white
shenzhen [3d\]: l17 not actually necessary
juggler [3d\]: b+4?
shenzhen [3d\]: i would like to play it for safety though :)
x0000 [-\]: w+1.5
]
;B[kc]C[maciek [3d\]: cicho juggler wezze z takimi wynikami wyskakujesz
prohogiy [4k\]: 0)
humblelife [2k\]: japanese scoring?
stonebyte [2k\]: l17 and j16 win
]
;W[ka]C[Laman [1d\]: i hope w wins, then we will have a new champion
Pawelp [6k\]: jak mozna...
]
;B[hf]C[andreiraz [3k\]: m4 
goren2 [3k\]: m4m4m4m4m4
Pawelp [6k\]: mateusz wygra i bedzie w polfinale
test11: m4
x0000 [-\]: m4 huge
goatsunday [5k\]: lol
LovroKlc [-\]: 6pts gote...
DPRK [1d\]: not more than h13
maciek [3d\]: m4 is a type of yose i can count
Shadowman [2d\]: 6 points to be precise
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: a few dozens observers
Insidius [1d?\]: m4 gote
bartosz [-\]: p12
prohogiy [4k\]: black +11
prohogiy [4k\]: now
]
;W[ig]C[no [1d?\]: m4 very gote
klausP [3d?\]: its rather equal
mw0x2a [4k?\]: a lot of pressure on you, eurogo, not to screw up the relay
mw0x2a [4k?\]: don't misclick!
SIscurge [5d\]: today all the games were really awsome
Insidius [1d?\]: so no one will play until no more sente move
Newbie58 [9k\]: m4 = 6 points!!!!!
]
;B[hg]C[eurogotv4 [-\]: including my game!!!
stonebyte [2k\]: its a pity white has played so good
RyuuGan [2k?\]: m4 = 6 points gote
shenzhen [3d\]: agree with scurge
Cereales [4k\]: J 15 ?
andreiraz [3k\]: j15 
Shadowman [2d\]: why is it a pity that white has played well?
goren2 [3k\]: k12
RyuuGan [2k?\]: j15 j16 
JckSuku [2k\]: i think you needa add a comma after 'pity'
maciek [3d\]: ilya liczy punkty mateusz ruchy, bedzie dobrze
]
;W[ih]C[zzzzzzz22 [4k\]: Go ILYA!
RyuuGan [2k?\]: g12 ?
shenzhen [3d\]: j14
orioles: black seem so calm to lose
Pawelp [6k\]: go SURMA!!!
shenzhen [3d\]: b didn't lose...
shenzhen [3d\]: he won...
Zipek [12k?\]: GOGO POWER SURMA!
Warfreak2 [4d\]: super surma
Pawelp [6k\]: :D
gisel [3d\]: Surma is good at yose, he will win
]
;B[gi]C[Kartex [?\]: b's endgame is better
gdghgjd [3d\]: agree with shenzhen
AlexUA [11k?\]: go ILYA!
bartosz [-\]: ilja is not bad either :)
SIkachnak [3d\]: GO Mateusz
gogol1er [1k?\]: se quite wrong
Pawelp [6k\]: szkoda ze nie ma Go na igrzyskach olimpijskich
Susaku [-\]: g10 h10 h11 
ThiGar [3k\]: if w loses, losing move is j7: g9 instead would have connected L10 group while still making some points in the center 
Susaku [-\]: this looks a bit big\\
no [1d?\]: Is Ilia bad at yose?
]
;W[ii]C[mw0x2a [4k?\]: no, no
Hendrix [1d\]: w not worried about cut? :)
gisel [3d\]: ilia usually dont train yose so much, he usually wins before it comes to yose
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
Susaku [-\]: looks like yomi is rushing the moves\\
x0000 [-\]: f12 g13 
goren2 [3k\]: f12 not working here?
kamil [-\]: w looks great
]
;B[go]C[TurtleDove [4k\]: W j15 seems big
goren2 [3k\]: and now j15 looming
]
;W[en]C[Pawelp [6k\]: ile czasu dziennie przeznacza mateusz na go?
RyuuGan [2k?\]: f12 g13 
Susaku [-\]: f12 doesn't do much of anything any more
x0000 [-\]: is j15 bigger than m4?
Shadowman [2d\]: could be, but yose also requires a lot of fighting strength and reading
Siasio [4d\]: 24 h?
gisel [3d\]: 30 godzin
Shadowman [2d\]: and Illia excells at that
Siasio [4d\]: we śnie rozwiązuje tsumego
Pawelp [6k\]: no chyba musi spać :D
maciek [3d\]: nie, 24 powaznie
grumpyjoe [-\]: w+3
Susaku [-\]: b will win
shenzhen [3d\]: b+5
Pawelp [6k\]: ...
]
;B[fi]C[orioles: I also guess that black is not worse than white in endgame
mthd [-\]: i'd love to see ilia's face after he loses
test11: m4 kills
mw0x2a [4k?\]: b probably won now
zzzzzzz22 [4k\]: b+
mw0x2a [4k?\]: j13 wasn't too good for w
RyuuGan [2k?\]: big one
Susaku [-\]: all you saying b+5 or w + 4 remember the .5 from the komi please I hate reading incorrect scoring\\
]
;W[fh]C[gdghgjd [3d\]: ^^
mw0x2a [4k?\]: what a stupid comment, susaku
Pawelp [6k\]: :D
Susaku [-\]: it does matter
Cezary [5d\]: so inccorect
eve20 [1k\]: n13 big
Shibui [8k\]: b + r ?
KaaXeM [1d\]: how long have they been playing?
gisel [3d\]: to those scorings add 6,5 komi, and we will have white always winning
Cezary [5d\]: so inadequate
Cezary [5d\]: so sorry man
Korf [1k\]: they started at 10:00
viu30h [5k\]: e10 sente lol?
Cezary [5d\]: b + r,5 shibui
mthd [-\]: nearly 6 h
DPRK [1d\]: n13 is good
prohogiy [4k\]: n13 nice
]
;B[ik]C[Shibui [8k\]: whee
Siasio [4d\]: what is n13?
orioles: use imagination shusaku
Goreon [3d\]: playing for 6 hours now
juggler [3d\]: W+T,5
Siasio [4d\]: ok, now it works
DPRK [1d\]: prepare l13
jakotaki [-\]: j15 ?
goren2 [3k\]: now!!! m4!
gdghgjd [3d\]: I would have collapsed by now
Susaku [-\]: shusaku is not my username, my name is susaku
ThiGar [3k\]: j15
orioles: and what does that mean?
prohogiy [4k\]: next move black n13
prohogiy [4k\]: w need k10
x0000 [-\]: n13 n14 o14 gote
prohogiy [4k\]: )
zongzi [3k\]: ilya's the best
]
;W[aj]
;B[ai]C[locker [1d\]: very pity if white loses this
KaaXeM [1d\]: 6 hours?!
Goreon [3d\]: w under time pressure?
viu30h [5k\]: the catalin game gonna start in some minutes
maciek [3d\]: j15?
shenzhen [3d\]: did anyone stop for lunch today or they all powered though?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: both are
Shadowman [2d\]: they started at 10 am CET
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: all fired up
Horse [5k?\]: white can live with j15 lol.
]
;W[ir]C[Shadowman [2d\]: did they stop for lunch?
Susaku [-\]: susaku is a compression of susaki and ku 
ShenWei [2k\]: no
]
;B[hr]C[Susaku [-\]: that is how i made this name
SIkachnak [3d\]: m4 
zongzi [3k\]: 900 viewers!
Shadowman [2d\]: that's crazy
viu30h [5k\]: e10 bigger?
Shibui [8k\]: almost as much as London 2012
hihahohu: j9 was cool
Shadowman [2d\]: how can one remain focused after 6 hours and no lunch break?
]
;W[lp]C[SIkachnak [3d\]: olympics my a**, this is the real deal
prohogiy [4k\]: n13 go
mw0x2a [4k?\]: shadowman, you periodically eat bits of your tongue during the match
SIscurge [5d\]: Go GOGOGO surma!!!!!!
viu30h [5k\]: probably have some special tourney energy bars 
orioles: protein bars
matsutoya [13k\]: what is the kanji for that
]
;B[ej]C[klausP [3d?\]: d10 was big
bartosz [-\]: why not p12 first for white?
x0000 [-\]: w+2.5
Zipek [12k?\]: j15
klausP [3d?\]: j15 now?
gru [2k\]: j15
viu30h [5k\]: j15?
purun [3k\]: p12 seems small
zongzi [3k\]: k10 not sente for black?
]
;W[ie]C[Cereales [4k\]:  J 15 ???
Susaku [-\]: I find it funny this name used the romanji for sandsplit and 17-syllabe poem
shenzhen [3d\]: p12 is small and doesnt work anymore
cava [13k?\]: wow SE actually doesnt fail at the seki
andreiraz [3k\]: j15 gote for w
LovroKlc [-\]: w win
pliages: Who is Susaki? susaku
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w too powerful
mw0x2a [4k?\]: w still up
AndrPavl [1k\]: b+5,5
Susaku [-\]: susaki + ku= susaku
orioles: can u explain?
prohogiy [4k\]: ignore? ))
lorill [2k\]: w needs a bigger komi
Ilidas [5d\]: b1 big
x0000 [-\]: susaki + ku = susakiku
]
;B[bs]C[bartosz [-\]: 1 point game
prohogiy [4k\]: yes, ignore)
Susaku [-\]: no I take out the I because of redundance
Susaku [-\]: and the second k is also removed
copyright [2d\]: j14  sente
Newbie58 [9k\]: m4 was winner ....
hihahohu: nope, black at least 2 points ahead
ThiGar [3k\]: G12
]
;W[ar]C[klausP [3d?\]: wha??t??
Ilidas [5d\]: more like b+4 right now
prohogiy [4k\]: ahaha
SIkachnak [3d\]: b2 prbably bigger
prohogiy [4k\]: gote
prohogiy [4k\]: :))
zongzi [3k\]: 2 points in sente, quite big at this stage
SIkachnak [3d\]: than  j15
Susaku [-\]: b will win by 2.5 I know it
viu30h [5k\]: istnt k10 bigger than prevent ko?
SIkachnak [3d\]: dammit
shenzhen [3d\]: woo people finally believe my count ^_^
gdghgjd [3d\]: a2 = ok I lose
klausP [3d?\]: indeed
Ranchan [-\]: w+0.5
Ponuki95 [8k\]: w should escape now^^
]
;B[mg]C[gdghgjd [3d\]: w playes reasonable to the end
x0000 [-\]: k10 
]
;W[mf]
;B[nf]C[Insidius [1d?\]: ...
prohogiy [4k\]: oh
handy [-\]: ahh
Siasio [4d\]: w+0,5
prohogiy [4k\]: w resign
handy [-\]: nice
Susaku [-\]: ladder?
prohogiy [4k\]: ;-DDD
]
;W[jj]C[Siasio [4d\]: it's obvious now
Araunt [?\]: W+R
fan [-\]: strange, so fast
]
;B[mg]C[tiran [3k\]: seens like white's ahead to me...
Pawelp [6k\]: go go SURMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
mw0x2a [4k?\]: b just gained
mw0x2a [4k?\]: he wins now
Ilidas [5d\]: b wins
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: nervous game
gisel [3d\]: nah, w wins
mw0x2a [4k?\]: surma must have fallen asleep
mpepe16 [6d\]: j14
orioles: black still wins
slender [2d\]: h10?
zongzi [3k\]: go Ilya!
lorill [2k\]: observers wins
backpast3p [-\]: w can't win he's 6d only
juggler [3d\]: black wins, but white doesn't lose
]
;W[id]C[maciek [3d\]: i agree, great game by Surma
shenzhen [3d\]: h11
klausP [3d?\]: W+1,5
humblelife [2k\]: japanese rules? no points in the seki?
Insidius [1d?\]: b+ 8.5?
x0000 [-\]: k13 
Susaku [-\]: you can't lose knowing you did your best you cna surrender a battle but the wages of war will fit you again
no [1d?\]: h11 
backpast3p [-\]: b + res
goren2 [3k\]: b + 2.5,
Korf [1k\]: simplified ing rules i think, definately not japanese
mw0x2a [4k?\]: they'd both have a p, so it hardly matters anyway
DPRK [1d\]: w ahead now 3 point with komi
gisel [3d\]: w+2.5
]
;B[hi]C[joachim [?\]: japanese rules
klausP [3d?\]: arg, w didnt get n13
mw0x2a [4k?\]: i didn't recount, but pretty sure b got ahead
Abraxas [7k\]: who is Susaku?
locker [1d\]: strange yose by white
klausP [3d?\]: n13 was close to being sente for w
Maek [3d\]: przegra w jose?
no [1d?\]: b +5
Susaku [-\]: susaku is me
gisel [3d\]: nie przegra, policz sobie :)
Maek [3d\]: nie umiem
Insidius [1d?\]: b ahead can't lose this game now...
Kartex [?\]: b+ finally
ThiGar [3k\]: how in the world could black get those 9 points in the center?
x0000 [-\]: b+0.5
]
;W[hs]C[kuritsu [6d\]: b+1.5
backpast3p [-\]: time 2 res for w
Maek [3d\]: wszyscy mowia
Maek [3d\]: ze czarny wygral
tiran [3k\]: i dont think he should resing
zongzi [3k\]: balog is peeping ;-)
Horse [5k?\]: I wanna see the score.
tokko [1k\]: b+1.5 yes
pliages: balog?
gisel [3d\]: ale oni nie umieją liczyć
TurtleDove [4k\]: hmm, 501 watching
]
;B[gs]
;W[is]C[hiphop [-\]: white losts the game in the endgame.. :-(
mw0x2a [4k?\]: i agree, hip
]
;B[gg]C[wojtek85 [1d\]: now black won
locker [1d\]: white was clearly ahead before yose
Siasio [4d\]: why do you think white lost?
Doc [6k?\]: 918 watching on tv streaming 
Abraxas [7k\]: it sounds like a kid pretending to be an old wise man
K5 [1k\]: The miracle yose happened
Siasio [4d\]: white IS clearly ahead now
x0000 [-\]: e3 
gdghgjd [3d\]: doc, that is not true
mw0x2a [4k?\]: 918 views =/= 918 watching
orioles: I think we all thought he is ahead, except black
]
;W[km]C[Susaku [-\]: 162 current = 162 watching 918= total from start of session
gogol1er [1k?\]: 918 views, and no clear result
no [1d?\]: b +7,5
backpast3p [-\]: w is clearly behind
]
;B[lh]C[gisel [3d\]: omg, stop using se so much, and count
SIscurge [5d\]: :(
Siasio [4d\]: no, se don't know what seki is
Doc [6k?\]: ops, sorry! ;)
Siasio [4d\]: white is winning
shenzhen [3d\]: b wins...
Natsuu [1d\]: b+ 1.5
royu [4d\]: komi 7.5 correct?
]
;W[kg]C[gdghgjd [3d\]: ko!
edcrfvt [-\]: +6
pliages: ...
x0000 [-\]: komi 6.5
]
;B[jg]C[LovroKlc [-\]: 6.5 i think
Chilltime [1d?\]: w+?
]
;W[jh]C[Insidius [1d?\]: if komi 7,5 i think we have a 0,5 game :P
LovroKlc [-\]: komi
]
;B[ge]C[tiran [3k\]: komi is 6.5 i think
orioles: komi 6,5
Susaku [-\]: 6.5
Siasio [4d\]: se thinks that groups in seki are dead
]
;W[ff]C[Siasio [4d\]: but  they're alive
]
;B[ei]C[st: black wins +8.5
]
;W[dh]C[zzzzzzz22 [4k\]: Go ILya!
x0000 [-\]: e3 
wojtek85 [1d\]: b better at yose
edcrfvt [-\]: e3
gggj: my se doesn't think so ?
ThiGar [3k\]: losing move is J7
]
;B[kd]C[tiran [3k\]: i hope to 0.5 win
]
;W[eq]
;B[fr]C[Susaku [-\]: right seki = 1 liberty each = 1 point each = neutral 
gisel [3d\]: it doesnt show gggj 
]
;W[na]C[mw0x2a [4k?\]: se will always count b with 2 more p then he actually has
]
;B[mh]C[Siasio [4d\]: mw: with 6 more
x0000 [-\]: b+1.5
mw0x2a [4k?\]: than*
SIkachnak [3d\]: 1,5 for black
]
;W[qb]C[LovroKlc [-\]: 0.5
]
;B[sc]C[LovroKlc [-\]: w
SIscurge [5d\]: :(
SIkachnak [3d\]: so sad
backpast3p [-\]: that's all b's leading a lot!
edcrfvt [-\]: молодец Илья
DPRK [1d\]: are u seriosu b ahead?
SIscurge [5d\]: yeah.. But it means he is beatable :)
SImamutik [2d\]: ing rules?
klausP [3d?\]: surma blew it in the endgame
edcrfvt [-\]: трудная была партия
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: counting
prohogiy [4k\]: 1.5 илья выиграл? )
mw0x2a [4k?\]: siasio, i thought se counts stones in seki as captures
no [1d?\]: больше
billywoods [6k\]: siasio: 3, surely? it says the white stones are dead (there are 3 more of them than black stones) but not that black gets 3 extra territory there
mw0x2a [4k?\]: or is it more complicated?
edcrfvt [-\]: но Илья показал хорошуб работу
Insidius [1d?\]: black got tomany points in middle...
Sepultura [1k?\]: красава
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: everybody is awaiting the final result nervously
goren2 [3k\]: w screwed up by not playing e8 in sente at one point
YalanDan [2d\]: +1.5
DPRK [1d\]: w+4,5
Chandra [2d\]: B + 1,5
Newbie58 [9k\]: W+R
edcrfvt [-\]: 7
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b+1.5
Insidius [1d?\]: gratz Ilya
tiran [3k\]: great game
ShenWei [2k\]: THX €
x0000 [-\]: gg
tenrai [2k\]: go Ilya! :D
Susaku [-\]: theie counting the score 
x0000 [-\]: thx Euro
gnarf [1k\]: Thx
backpast3p [-\]: Grats ilia!
Susaku [-\]: no one resogned
gogol1er [1k?\]: considerable margin
Shibui [8k\]: thx
AlexUA [11k?\]: ypa!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b looks relieved
ruslan71 [8k\]: thx
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w still poker face
mw0x2a [4k?\]: ty
pliages: Are they pro?
gdghgjd [3d\]: this was really a nice game :-)
Susaku [-\]: no
purun [3k\]: thx eurogotv
prohogiy [4k\]: HEEEY, go away camera
ivank [3k\]: thx
gogonuts [5d\]: +1.5 b?
Susaku [-\]: this is ameture games I think
Horse [5k?\]: can we get the numbers
LovroKlc [-\]: ya
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B+1.5
blotter [21k?\]: gg
Horse [5k?\]: whats the score 
shhh: Susaku
Siasio [4d\]: Biały+1,5?
shenzhen [3d\]: so ilya simara debarre and pavol
Hino [-\]: :D
ThiGar [3k\]: thx EuroGoTv for timely comments
st: b+7.5
shenzhen [3d\]: ilya has played them all already?
gogol1er [1k?\]: b should have played b19, to make sure his count was ok
wojtek85 [1d\]: w well played!
ThiGar [3k\]: Big BadWolf (Andy Liu) plays on USGO1
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: see you again tomorrow!
gogonuts [5d\]: look further up, b +1.5 is right
zzzzzzz22 [4k\]: ILya the best!!!
gogonuts [5d\]: great effort by w after the bottom right
st: ok
shenzhen [3d\]: oh ilya didnt play debarre
shenzhen [3d\]: so i guess they play tomorrow
gdghgjd [3d\]: w is strong
maciek [3d\]: brawo mateusz
pliages: was a gg
backpast3p [-\]: can't believe w had chanses after bottom right
Liso66 [3k?\]: nice from surma!! 
Blaubaer [5d\]: gg
orioles: who won simara or cornel?
hiphop [-\]: simara
orioles: nice
orioles: so next round simara - palko
AndrPavl [1k\]: b 59 w 57.5
pliages: what happens ??
pliages: end ?
pliages: he resigns?
mmp [9k\]: B + 2.5
litov [5k\]: андрей привет
AndrPavl [1k\]: привет
mmp [9k\]: *1.5
litov [5k\]: вот играют. более 6 часов
litov [5k\]:  чего трубку не берёшь
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