(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Championship 2012 quarterfinals]PW[Thomas Debarre]PB[Antti Tormanen]WR[6d]BR[6d]DT[2012-08-02]PC[Bonn, Germany]C[hvk [-\]: hi
hvk [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2
shenzhen [3d\]: goooo antti!!!
behta [1d\]: allez Thomas !!!
drchaos [2k\]: ca va être un match interessant
shenzhen [3d\]: sad these two are playing so early, i would like this to be the final :)
mpepe16 [6d\]: Final?Come on.
SIscurge [5d\]: yeah ... :D
blizzking [4d?\]: shiksin should be in the final
blizzking [4d?\]: and get beat ;)
SIscurge [5d\]: yeah by Palko :)
Viheton [1k\]: Well i am just glad that Antti has madet this far atleast
mpepe16 [6d\]: Palko cannot play calm enough yet to beat ilya:)
mpepe16 [6d\]: But lets see that mano can do same magic like last year.
shenzhen [3d\]: strange parubaru didnt get this far
kanuk [5k\]: hayda bre
maminti [3k?\]: szia PEPE
mpepe16 [6d\]: Hahó:)
maminti [3k?\]: (Kata vok)
mpepe16 [6d\]: Jöttél figyelni a drámákat? 
maminti [3k?\]: igen, semmiképp nem akarok lemaradni róla
maminti [3k?\]: :)
maminti [3k?\]: de sajnos csak kis szünettel, mert Alinát el kell vinnem ortopédiára
mpepe16 [6d\]: Vajon Csaba két program lefuttatása között benéz? :)
mpepe16 [6d\]: Láttam maratonit aludt.
maminti [3k?\]: jaja, Alina szerencsére jól alszik
maminti [3k?\]: íhy mi is:)
maminti [3k?\]: Csaba sztem utólag fog ránézni vagy ebédidőben
mpepe16 [6d\]: Rendes gyerek.
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;B[qd]C[maminti [3k?\]: jaja, a vasszigor eredménye :)
mpepe16 [6d\]: Hoppá,eksön van.
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;W[dp]
;B[pq]C[maminti [3k?\]: azám
Liso66 [3k?\]: TV2 is "Off Air" pls switch on! :) 
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;W[dd]
;B[fc]
;W[cf]
;B[od]C[daniug [2d\]: what about silt
daniug [2d\]: ?
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;W[po]C[furr [?\]: what about him? He is on eurogotv4
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;B[pl]C[Akari1 [1k\]: Looks like b wins
daniug [2d\]: i did not notice,thx
Akari1 [1k\]: yw
furr [?\]: np
Liso66 [3k?\]: is it possible to switch on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2 ? 
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;W[mp]
;B[oo]
;W[on]
;B[no]
;W[pp]
;B[nq]
;W[qq]
;B[oq]
;W[nn]
;B[mo]
;W[rp]
;B[iq]C[mooooo [5k\]: i wantto watch all 3 games but only got a small screen (
Llyd [9k?\]: first world problems, eh? ^^
Ranchan [-\]: I want some sort of popup option so I can place the videos on top of the kibitz window at kgs
mooooo [5k\]: yes xD
drchaos [2k\]: for now, same game as Yi setol vs Cho hang seung 2011
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: stream is online now, sorry for the delay
essential [4k\]: hmmm
essential [4k\]: do these players play on KGS?
Ranchan [-\]: nope somewhere in germany
Ranchan [-\]: http://www.egc2012.eu/
Gorim [3k\]: Antti is Tien on KGS
drchaos [2k\]: next move e17 
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: but he doesnt play on that account
Ranchan [-\]: only Debarre can be seen in the stream
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;W[ec]
;B[fd]
;W[jd]
;B[ld]C[lupis [3d\]: afaik he doesn't play with any account on kgs these days
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;W[jf]C[Gorim [3k\]: I guess there wasn't much time or need to play on KGS while he was in Japan;)
drchaos [2k\]: http://gokifu.com/s/m7s-gokifu-20110727-Cho_Hanseung(9p)-Lee_Sedol(9p).html
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;B[hd]C[blizzking [4d?\]: i don't like where this game is going for antti
blizzking [4d?\]: his game is to build influence, not weak groups
kryft [1d?\]: Antti is versatile. :)
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;W[ef]C[drchaos [2k\]: black have only one week group
drchaos [2k\]: weak ..
blizzking [4d?\]: plus a light stone at q8 which he can't really give up, question is what can white build from these attacks
blizzking [4d?\]: g13?
Ranchan [-\]: maybe peep at j15 to make white more heavy
forgotten [6d\]: that would remove k17
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;B[hg]C[blizzking [4d?\]: this is unexpected shape
blizzking [4d?\]: but actually correct shape
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;W[jh]C[ErgoProxy [6d\]: I would´ve played 1 space jump tere
shenzhen [3d\]: seems like h17 is uncommon before jumping
ErgoProxy [6d\]: *there
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;B[hi]C[kryft [1d?\]: Why, ergo?
ErgoProxy [6d\]: this leaves a bit bad aji
Ranchan [-\]: but black gets ahead of white
blizzking [4d?\]: black has to be ahead of white to equally reduce each other's influences
ErgoProxy [6d\]: yea, lets see what happens
blizzking [4d?\]: from both sides
dxxd [2k\]: more jumps
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;W[pi]
;B[jj]C[Viheton [1k\]: white played q11
ekku [-\]: the eurogotv stream caption has both players marked as white :)
dxxd [2k\]: b gets the beautiful move and wins the game :)
medical [3k\]: one color go? :)
ErgoProxy [6d\]: this move was huge
Viheton [1k\]: nice lag for my comment :D
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;W[li]
;B[lk]C[kryft [1d?\]: Keima all the way
blizzking [4d?\]: wow this looks like a kyu game now
Viheton [1k\]: how come?
blizzking [4d?\]: only basic shape everywhere
Ranchan [-\]: or pro game, its hard to tell
ErgoProxy [6d\]: K16 at K17 would´ve been better
Viheton [1k\]: if only basic game then its pro game :)
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;W[qf]C[Viheton [1k\]: *shape 
blizzking [4d?\]: i feel antti is very confident about this game now
kanuk [5k\]:  b is still an insei right?
blizzking [4d?\]: no
Gorim [3k\]: something like F4 now?
Viheton [1k\]: not anymore hes back from japan allready
blizzking [4d?\]: went back to finland many months ago
kryft [1d?\]: I think he's planning to go back at some point, though.
blizzking [4d?\]: we shall see
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;B[nl]C[medical [3k\]: this looks odd
dxxd [2k\]: heh, this looks cool headed
medical [3k\]: on the other hand not, but..
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;W[mn]C[blizzking [4d?\]: n6 push..... uh
blizzking [4d?\]: this can't be right
Nino [1d\]: yeah because of the q6 weakness
Ranchan [-\]: white sure he can leave that without protecting?
LaicepS [3k\]: unless he can cut
Zha0Pei [3d\]: n6 feels so bad
shenzhen [3d\]: does thomas play online ever?
blizzking [4d?\]: m5 should be easy choice, but i'm probably missing something?
LaicepS [3k\]: i think his account is 9x9
dxxd [2k\]: well, you have to be very careful not to miss a possible exchange
shenzhen [3d\]: accounts cant start with numbers so seems unlikely
Viheton [1k\]: haha
LaicepS [3k\]: something like only9x9
viu30h [5k\]: thats an enourmous amount of influence that b got there what did w get in exchange?
shenzhen [3d\]: b stuff is not really influence yet
shenzhen [3d\]: can be cut to pieces later
viu30h [5k\]: its not thickness but its influence
shenzhen [3d\]: not sure, if w cuts at n8 its quickly a weak group
shenzhen [3d\]: i still like it for b though, just not sure its so bad for w
Viheton [1k\]: i think its fairly even game at this point
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;B[ln]C[Viheton [1k\]: but i also like B more cos of personal game style
shenzhen [3d\]: antti wants some pressure on q6
Ootakamoku [-\]: hmm, more like just wants to seal it in
shenzhen [3d\]: by putting pressure on q6 :p
Ootakamoku [-\]: cant see it dying even if w tenukies
Viheton [1k\]: yack, 4 hours old coffee....
SIscurge [5d\]: This game doesn't look pretty :/
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;W[lo]C[LaicepS [3k\]: did white cut immediatly after m6
LaicepS [3k\]: ?
Smar [9k\]: did
Viheton [1k\]: yes
bivou [1d?\]: yes
Viheton [1k\]: bold choice imo
LaicepS [3k\]: well that means he has a plan
Viheton [1k\]: m7 l5 j5 ?
Ranchan [-\]: m3 ?
sil3nst: just fucking play
Ranchan [-\]: white cant really cut at n8 because k12 stones are weak
sil3nst: its war
Ranchan [-\]: and no swearing
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;B[lq]C[sil3nst: oh whatever sweety boy
sil3nst: ill swear all i want faggot
Viheton [1k\]: nice call ranchan
sil3nst: indeed nice
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;W[lm]C[Viheton [1k\]: cuts at B's formation starts to look bad after this one
viu30h [5k\]: ah hes already banned good
Viheton [1k\]: hehe
kryft [1d?\]: But if white cuts around N9, things could get hairy for his own stones above
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;B[kn]C[viu30h [5k\]: homophoby in kgs kibitz -.-   thats so....
bolbi [-\]: back to the game please
Ranchan [-\]: and I aint even boy
Viheton [1k\]: i wonder what white's gonna do now
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;W[km]C[Ranchan [-\]: he really wants to cut
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;B[mm]C[Viheton [1k\]: those two players are hard to read from the face
kryft [1d?\]: Hehe, here we go
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;W[pm]C[LaicepS [3k\]: thomas is easy, when he reads hard, he become red. like, very very red
bolbi [-\]: :)
Viheton [1k\]: haha
bolbi [-\]: it's true :)
Ranchan [-\]: Antti is easy too, he just becomes even more serious looking
donzet: anti tournament
LaicepS [3k\]: it looks like very good for black tough
Viheton [1k\]: http://piafinn.blogspot.fi/2009/07/finnish-emotions.html
Viheton [1k\]: thats how you read antti
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;B[jm]C[donzet: M4 trouble for black
Ranchan [-\]: m4 l3 
donzet: m4 l3 n3 m2
Michi86 [5k\]: I wonder if it is tea or juice, the thing Antti is drinking
Viheton [1k\]: i think its tea cos its almost green
Banaan [1k\]: juice can be green
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: tea ^^
Banaan [1k\]: i never understood the fun of green tea
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;W[lp]C[Banaan [1k\]: it tastes like dust with grass
Ranchan [-\]: try it with rice crackers..... sooo awesome
Banaan [1k\]: but thats even more dust
Banaan [1k\]: :p
Trumelunki [3d\]: n3 I think
Viheton [1k\]: or if you want to sweeten it little use honey
Banaan [1k\]: i like strong black tea
shenzhen [3d\]: nice fight
Ranchan [-\]: the more it smells like fish food the better it is when you drink it
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;B[mq]C[Viheton [1k\]: haha :D
Banaan [1k\]: if youre a fish
Banaan [1k\]: and personally, im not
Banaan [1k\]: i think
Viheton [1k\]: i wonder what thomas has in hes mind now...
Ranchan [-\]: I think this looks really bad for white
Viheton [1k\]: me too
invader [1d\]: not too bad
donzet: i hope black will be slide in two
invader [1d\]: r8 still very big for white
Viheton [1k\]: r8?
juleverne [11k\]: What about K6
Nino [1d\]: but dangerous
LaicepS [3k\]: i hope k4 does work for white
invader [1d\]: runing from a deaths group ?
LaicepS [3k\]: cause if it doesnt, ithink w will resigned
Banaan [1k\]: way too early for that
LaicepS [3k\]: well it is 6 dan level, it bet is pretty hard to catch up
kurii [2d\]: b looks ahead
Ranchan [-\]: Antti is looking at Debarre "so what ya gonna too huh!"
LaicepS [3k\]: *i bet is 
Ranchan [-\]: do
lorill [2k\]: crudely sacrifice with K6, heh
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;W[jn]
;B[ko]C[Viheton [1k\]: thomas isint red yet
lorill [2k\]: yay
shenzhen [3d\]: sooo ugly...
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;W[ol]C[blizzking [4d?\]: ...
LaicepS [3k\]: what the hell
Banaan [1k\]: those are huge dreadlocks
blizzking [4d?\]: hey don't be cussing
blizzking [4d?\]: p9 not possible, just throwing it out there
Michi86 [5k\]: Oh, thsoe dreadlocks
dxxd [2k\]: this looks nice
Michi86 [5k\]: Mikko Siukola 4dan
shenzhen [3d\]: compromise oclock
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;B[kl]C[blizzking [4d?\]: p9
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;W[ok]C[LaicepS [3k\]: i couldn't even tell which one is ahead now
blizzking [4d?\]: this is the only cash white has on top of the top left corner
blizzking [4d?\]: top right is still invadeable, but black is very thick
blizzking [4d?\]: so black's job now is to get best result from bottom left, to use the thickness
Viheton [1k\]: but now white has fairly nice territory on the right
LaicepS [3k\]: i think black is more worried about the j10 cut
shenzhen [3d\]: not the stuff in the middle is quite thick :)
LaicepS [3k\]: but white has to connect or settle his dragon too
shenzhen [3d\]: now*
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;B[cn]C[dxxd [2k\]: I think white leads
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;W[fq]
;B[bp]C[shenzhen [3d\]: how come milanmilan etc aren't watching, they normally watch these games during china trip
dxxd [2k\]: m6 could have been overplay
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;W[cq]
;B[lc]C[Viheton [1k\]: m17 is some move that i would ever have played at this point
LaicepS [3k\]: j17 i guess
LaicepS [3k\]: or k18
Nino [1d\]: k18 seems wrong to me because of k15
Avari [1k\]: b plans to cut k12 stones maybe?
invader [1d\]: L4 working ?
vxv: w only little ahead in territory, and b has so much strength. Feels good for b 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: the tormanator
Omnoms [1d\]: what does l4 accomplish?
invader [1d\]: b lost a lot of territories ?
invader [1d\]: m13 may work
LaicepS [3k\]: work ?
LaicepS [3k\]: i think w has to keep b split
salu [2k\]: go ahead and b3 now
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;W[rd]
;B[rc]
;W[cl]
;B[en]C[klausP [3d\]: maybe black is preparing to cut of k16+k14
Ranchan [-\]: p13 for black?
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;W[dj]C[klausP [3d\]: b3
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;B[lg]C[donzet: white is slightly ahead black has too use his thickness
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;W[mg]C[LaicepS [3k\]: donzet fred ?
donzet: sure
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;B[lf]
;W[hf]
;B[gf]C[shenzhen [3d\]: hehe coming in to this game from the others now this one looks a lot like dot go
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;W[ig]
;B[gg]C[kryft [1d?\]: dot go?
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;W[lh]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: anntis playstyle is so annoying to watch when he plays seriously, hard to see how he justifies some of his moves.
liusasori [3d\]: antti strong at yose
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;B[bq]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: good at counting overall
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;W[hr]
;B[hq]
;W[ir]C[shenzhen [3d\]: black can still make some mess in the left side?
kt123 [3d\]: d2 now possible?
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;B[jr]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: b has atleast d11
shenzhen [3d\]: maybe he can find something with d15 d13 etc too
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;W[gq]C[shenzhen [3d\]: i guess will find out later
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;B[kg]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: also, the right side has some interesting aji
shenzhen [3d\]: beautiful move
Ootakamoku [-\]: because of the n12 cut threat
Ootakamoku [-\]: ya, reaaal beutiful.. er.. no wait, its not
shenzhen [3d\]: hehe yeah
shenzhen [3d\]: k16 dead now though
Ootakamoku [-\]: w k11 
shenzhen [3d\]: in gote at least
Ootakamoku [-\]: its just fine
grumpyjoe [-\]: what does this do?
shenzhen [3d\]: k11 k13 j12 j15 j14 k15 
Ootakamoku [-\]: you think b j15?
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;W[ji]C[shenzhen [3d\]: too early to play it ofc
Ootakamoku [-\]: I think b will pay alot fo that cut
shenzhen [3d\]: but its an option for later
Jahfab [1d\]: ah debarre !!
Ootakamoku [-\]: but ya, probably still worth it
Ootakamoku [-\]: its not like the center will be points anyways
shenzhen [3d\]: s15 feels really big
shenzhen [3d\]: but i want mess on left side first :)
Ootakamoku [-\]: cant b play r13 directly instead?
shenzhen [3d\]: maybe
shenzhen [3d\]: hard to read for me
shenzhen [3d\]: this game is moving along quite quickly
shenzhen [3d\]: not many more fights left before it just becomes yose
Ootakamoku [-\]: just would have thought b would want to mess with rightsde before cutting of k16
shenzhen [3d\]: yeah cutting k16 is for yose not fo now i guess
Ootakamoku [-\]: I kinda think its too late now
Ootakamoku [-\]: I mean, w k11 etc, gives w some options in regards to how severe moves like o11 are
Ootakamoku [-\]: er, b k11
shenzhen [3d\]: mm
Ootakamoku [-\]: ..
Gorim [3k\]: upper left corner still "open" ?
shenzhen [3d\]: i dont think so
Ootakamoku [-\]: gorim, no
Ranchan [-\]: no
dxxd [2k\]: can't see b winning this
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;B[ie]C[shenzhen [3d\]: but things like d15 might make some fun wth it
shenzhen [3d\]: huh, directly
Ootakamoku [-\]: 1-2-3
shenzhen [3d\]: must have done a lot of cournting for this
SIkachnak [3d\]: something like c12 just dies?
andreiraz [3k\]: l15 
shenzhen [3d\]: c12 who knows :p
]
;W[if]C[shenzhen [3d\]: seems deep tho
]
;B[je]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: w s15 
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;W[qe]
;B[pd]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: close enuf
shenzhen [3d\]: bleh time to count, effort
klausP [3d\]: black still has c12?
Gorim [3k\]: maybe there is enough place to live on the right side
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;W[fb]
;B[gb]
;W[eb]C[Gorim [3k\]: I think I coould try:P
shenzhen [3d\]: hmm well my count says b needs to destroy all of left side below c14
shenzhen [3d\]: else w too many point
Ootakamoku [-\]: b p12 for some crazy magic trick attempt?
Ootakamoku [-\]: hmm, or maybe q12 better
shenzhen [3d\]: how about c10?
Ootakamoku [-\]: I think trashing left side is rather trivial
klausP [3d\]: how about b2?
klausP [3d\]: looks so big now
Lieb [3k\]: How about T1 ? ;)
Viheton [1k\]: hehe
fujichan [1d\]: tesuji
Ootakamoku [-\]: the problem normally with invading a shape like left side is that it gives too much thickness to do a vulgar invasion, but its not like b will care if w gets thick there
Ootakamoku [-\]: nothing to attack
kentia [1k\]: p13
grumpyjoe [-\]: does d2 do anything?
Ootakamoku [-\]: d2 c2 f2?
grumpyjoe [-\]: d2, c2, b2
Ootakamoku [-\]: d2 c2 b2 e2 
grumpyjoe [-\]: just reduction
Ootakamoku [-\]: ya, hence d2 c2 f2 is more fun
Ootakamoku [-\]: hmm, tho it wont work
shenzhen [3d\]: d2 c2 f2 g2 e3 e4 then where
Ootakamoku [-\]: b needs a stone at f5 or something
grumpyjoe [-\]: if w d2, then f2
kurii [2d\]: i
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;B[og]C[kryft [1d?\]: How much time left?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Black 1:22h, White 1:17h
Weishenme [5d\]: q12 seems ok,
Weishenme [5d\]: is P14 possible ?
Ootakamoku [-\]: q12 q13 r13 o11?
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;W[pg]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: b p11?
shenzhen [3d\]: tenuki, left side too fun
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;B[nj]C[Gorim [3k\]: great move:)
Weishenme [5d\]: not easy to answer
kt123 [3d\]: nice, it looks like this does at least some damage to whites right side
Weishenme [5d\]: if w p12 then O12
Viheton [1k\]: o11 would hurt now :D
Viheton [1k\]: i mean if white plays it
gaspard0 [2d\]: j10, j11, k9, l10, m10 and then w can o9
Malingo [4d\]: n10 
legeh [13k?\]: lol debarre is red
Viheton [1k\]: haha :D
Weishenme [5d\]: what is the link to see in live please ?
legeh [13k?\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2
Weishenme [5d\]: ty !
legeh [13k?\]: but you have to register
legeh [13k?\]: or log
gaspard0 [2d\]: j10...
Viheton [1k\]: whne is the lucnh break or is there
Michi86 [5k\]: Only is players want to take one i think
Michi86 [5k\]: if*
Viheton [1k\]: two typos in one sentence
Viheton [1k\]: nice
shenzhen [3d\]: any lunch today?
Muscadet [?\]: p12 o12 o13 p11p14 n12 011 and white captures
lauri [-\]: p12 o12 o13 o11 better
villen [6k?\]: yes, that simply cuts
gaspard0 [2d\]: why not j10? it doesnt hurt to make b thicker there since b is already so strong
villen [6k?\]: white won't play that
villen [6k?\]: j10 to get m10 in sente?
drchaos [2k\]: white is leading ?
andreiraz [3k\]: o11 
gaspard0 [2d\]: yes villen
Malingo [4d\]: o11 p10 
Viheton [1k\]: o11 and b gets to right side in bad way
chouka [4d\]: o12
Viheton [1k\]: hav eto say o10 is one nice move
chouka [4d\]: no
chouka [4d\]: o12 doesnt work
gaspard0 [2d\]: w cant answer this directly
Weishenme [5d\]: j10 seems a good idea
Razg [1k\]: j10 dangerous if black answers something like 012 instead of j11
gaspard0 [2d\]: its asking move
Natsuu [1d\]: w not o12 ?
gaspard0 [2d\]: to see what b wants
chouka [4d\]: because of q10
lupis [3d\]: Michi86: it's enough that one of the players want's to break for lunch. his opponent doesn't have the right to refuse. :)
Weishenme [5d\]: although it gives points the following sequence seems possible 
Weishenme [5d\]: o11 p10 p11 q10 r10 q9 s8 
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;W[ij]C[Razg [1k\]: ooh
Malingo [4d\]: p11 now
Moin9 [1k\]: yes o10 is really nice....deep move
Weishenme [5d\]: yes p11
Moin9 [1k\]: hmmwhite seeks ways to break through
Razg [1k\]: looks dangerous however
gaspard0 [2d\]: w dont really have a choise with this move. w should have thought more about how to answer p13 to avoid this
]
;B[ii]C[Moin9 [1k\]: thomas needs fresh air
gaspard0 [2d\]: k9 next
]
;W[jk]C[apina [1d\]: lupis, if player A wants to have lunch break, is it his opponent who has sealed move?
]
;B[kj]C[chouka [4d\]: m10
chouka [4d\]: then o10 doesnt work
gaspard0 [2d\]: w took surprisingly long to read this out
]
;W[lj]C[SIscurge [5d\]: b can O12
SIscurge [5d\]: thats why it took long
medical [3k\]: b looks a bit worried
Weishenme [5d\]: p 11 now ?
gaspard0 [2d\]: hard to say what happens next. difficult to read
Michi86 [5k\]: Can b really sac those 2 stones?
Weishenme [5d\]: ij J9 , then p12 connects
Jahfab [1d\]: ah batard !
lupis [3d\]: apina: "At the beginning of a move, a player may adjourn the game by stating that the move is to be sealed."
shenzhen [3d\]: this is all very messy :s
shenzhen [3d\]: too many options for both player
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: id be willimng to bet its actually just 1 option
grumpyjoe [-\]: did someone check out n10 to connect
Madzilla [2d\]: L9 is the obvious move, but maybe O12 kills the whole W group
lupis [3d\]: or if a sealing form is not used he may play the move and then neutralize the clock
grumpyjoe [-\]: this seems to leave w an eye but cut
grumpyjoe [-\]: oh
grumpyjoe [-\]: lunch break?
Viheton [-\]: nope, antti is still front of the board
]
;B[ik]
;W[nk]
;B[ng]
;W[nh]C[villen [6k?\]: white got too much, i think black has to attack on the left side
chouka [4d\]: g5 for black can close his moyo but maybe first d11
villen [6k?\]: but i don't know the move:)
]
;B[di]C[villen [6k?\]: you were right
villen [6k?\]: c11 c12?
chouka [4d\]: e11
]
;W[ci]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: j11 will be losing move for sure if antti loses this game.
Ootakamoku [-\]: b c10 
]
;B[cj]
;W[bj]
;B[ch]
;W[bi]C[Moin9 [1k\]: hmm
villen [6k?\]: is this so good  for black?
]
;B[ej]
;W[dk]C[Moin9 [1k\]: this question was also in my head
Ootakamoku [-\]: I so do not understand e10
Ootakamoku [-\]: was that kinda of sign code the dude was doing?
chouka [4d\]: white answer very good
Ootakamoku [-\]: d13
chouka [4d\]: he can now invade at g5 or f8
]
;B[dh]
;W[bh]C[blizzking [4d?\]: black is successful
forgotten [6d\]: d12 would probably be better at e11
chouka [4d\]: black?
forgotten [6d\]: yes
Ootakamoku [-\]: ya, that way b can play f8
Razg [1k\]: the game seems close ?
Ootakamoku [-\]: I think w leading now
Ootakamoku [-\]: w+5 maybe?
villen [6k?\]: white can easily invade, as chouka said before
Ootakamoku [-\]: c2 d2 c4 d3 b2 f5?
Ootakamoku [-\]: b going to lose that area now anyways
villen [6k?\]: black really needs to close his moyo somehow now
]
;B[is]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: urm.. this move looks a bit.. desperate
blizzking [4d?\]: black starts end game now
]
;W[gs]C[blizzking [4d?\]: sente by sente point by point
]
;B[ho]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: this is sente against bottom gruop?
blizzking [4d?\]: don't think so
chouka [4d\]: now f8
mpepe16 [6d\]: but I would take b2
blizzking [4d?\]: but b2 should be huge
Ootakamoku [-\]: looks like this area will only be crumbs now anwyays, as I already mentioned, would have c2 as b instead
blizzking [4d?\]: this is still big
ThiGar [3k\]: even e2 aiming e4
]
;W[fo]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: antti power
Ootakamoku [-\]: c2 surely now
LaicepS [3k\]: q2 and s15 so big, i wonder who will have the chance to play it
LaicepS [3k\]: how many points is s15 worth for white ?
Natsuu [1d\]: s15 around 15 points
Ootakamoku [-\]: hmm, surely not
Ootakamoku [-\]: maybe 10 points
gnarf [1k\]: s15 13pts?
hazanx: g7
ThiGar [3k\]: 'maybe': any way to count exactly the value of this s15 yose move?
gnarf [1k\]: yes
gnarf [1k\]: second line hane is 6pt
ThiGar [3k\]: is it hard?
gnarf [1k\]: plus 2pt for each hane sente
gnarf [1k\]: plus one pt when there is corner stuff
gnarf [1k\]: and capture one second line is exactly like hane
ThiGar [3k\]: ok, thx
LaicepS [3k\]: there is a method like this : points you get + point your oppenent doesn't get. Divide by 2 if it means losing sente
Ootakamoku [-\]: actually, counted it again, and get excacly 10
Natsuu [1d\]: more than 10
LovroKlc [-\]: antti might win yet...
villen [6k?\]: he has to defend here, hasn't he?
Viheton [-\]: Times?
Ootakamoku [-\]: hmm, counted it yet again.. and still 10 points, dno, maybe Im missing some aji
]
;B[oh]C[shakti [-\]: 10 is wrong for sure
]
;W[oi]C[Viheton [-\]: How much time does players have?
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: s15 is 13 and 1/3 points i think (certainly almost 13 exactly)
]
;B[re]
;W[rf]
;B[sd]C[zife [-\]: was*
eric1010 [1k\]: n14
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Black 43 min, White 47 min
Ootakamoku [-\]: when I counted, I assumed b always gets t14, and w always backs off
]
;W[mf]
;B[me]
;W[ga]C[gnarf [1k\]: t14, plus t13 
Ootakamoku [-\]: yes yes, I counted those
Ootakamoku [-\]: I sayd w backs off
Ootakamoku [-\]: still, annoying that I keep getting 10 points for it
Natsuu [1d\]: cause if w connected after w played t17 b had to back off too
gnarf [1k\]: two hane for b, means ten, plus w get one in sente, so twelve, plus corner, so 13
gnarf [1k\]: But I may well be off
hazanx: harry potter?
Ootakamoku [-\]: also, if w had played s15, b could just t17
Ootakamoku [-\]: corner so strong
Ootakamoku [-\]: oh, right, but then its sente for w, duh, my bad
]
;B[hb]
;W[ha]C[hazanx: ???
hazanx: why so slow for j19
Gethel [6k\]: it's not realtime
liusasori [3d\]: maybe thinking about tenuki and t14
hazanx: thinking about sente?
hazanx: =\\
ThiGar [3k\]: would explin thinking time for h18
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: maybe he can time d15 or something
hazanx: makes sense
]
;B[de]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: t14 is urm.. 4.5 points reverse sente, seems unlikely w would play it next
hazanx: nice one ukasush
hazanx: =D
Montespan [-\]: Run
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: lucky guess ^^
forgotten [6d\]: d14
hazanx: but looks like a great move
]
;W[df]
;B[ed]
;W[dc]
;B[ia]
;W[fa]C[hazanx: e15 worth
Montespan [-\]: Good luck Debarre
]
;B[ib]
;W[br]C[hazanx: hi monte
]
;B[cp]
;W[dq]
;B[ar]
;W[bs]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: t14 now
]
;B[fn]C[hazanx: T14!
hazanx: f8*
]
;W[do]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: c7 looks like its worth it
]
;B[dn]C[hazanx: is the guy with green shirt using a bag of panda net?
]
;W[co]
;B[bo]
;W[bm]
;B[bn]C[LaicepS [3k\]: q2
Natsuu [1d\]: q2 small
]
;W[go]C[LaicepS [3k\]: is it ?
]
;B[gn]C[lupis [3d\]: it's gote
Natsuu [1d\]: less than f8 or t14
hazanx: yes because he can tenuki and play t14
Ootakamoku [-\]: its second biggest gote move on this board that I can find
Ootakamoku [-\]: hmm, maybe biggest gote actually
gnarf [1k\]: 9pt in my count^^
]
;W[ek]C[hazanx: you are very hard
hazanx: xD
kamil [-\]: h4 sente for w
Ootakamoku [-\]: so anyone, why didnt b play c7 instead of d6?
shenzhen [3d\]: who won?
liusasori [3d\]: maybe w looking at a trick around h6 cut
hazanx: maybe because of d7 d6 and f8?
Ootakamoku [-\]: ya.. thats like.. 2 points more for w than this scneario, when it comes to b moyo area
Ootakamoku [-\]: but b would gain more on the left
lupis [3d\]: oota: that would have made e8 sente for white
hazanx: hmmm
shenzhen [3d\]: hmm i count w+5-10, anyone else bothered?
Ootakamoku [-\]: lupis, sure, but b gets b8 in return
lupis [3d\]: sure but b8 is also gote so the worth per move isn't that great
eurogotv4 [-\]: For anyone that wonders what the matchups are: Board 1:Surma vs. Shikshin Board 2: Tormanen vs. Debarre Board 3: Simara vs. Burzo Board 4: Lisy vs. Silt 
Ootakamoku [-\]: but if it turns into gote because w blocks, then b can make miai between connection at e6 and life
Ootakamoku [-\]: never having to defend the cut at all
]
;B[sf]C[hazanx: if in this way of b playing, will end in gote center then b8 looks better gote well i dunno how center will end
gnarf [1k\]: i have w+around komi
]
;W[rg]C[Malingo [4d\]: i have b by a few
hazanx: is catalin on this tourney??
shenzhen [3d\]: g8 area is a bit unclear for counting
Malingo [4d\]: not as  player
shenzhen [3d\]: if b can get a few there then maybe....
]
;B[sg]
;W[sh]
;B[se]
;W[rh]C[Malingo [4d\]: how about trade with f9 
ThiGar [3k\]: o14
]
;B[fj]C[hazanx: o14
hazanx: now
shenzhen [3d\]: i think the trade is a bit much
hazanx: lots of sente points
]
;W[fk]C[shenzhen [3d\]: maybe can answer push with g8 tho
shenzhen [3d\]: hmm maybe not lots of ugliness in here
Ootakamoku [-\]: how about just double hane
Natsuu [1d\]: seems really close
Ootakamoku [-\]: b shape holds together, barely
hazanx: g9 looks unquestionable
shenzhen [3d\]: yeah true
shenzhen [3d\]: i thought e11 would have issues but not quite, just w c13 sente
shenzhen [3d\]: can live with that
shenzhen [3d\]: so b double hane then w takes r2 area/
Ootakamoku [-\]: next tenuki will be q2 area
Ootakamoku [-\]: :)
Natsuu [1d\]: e15
shenzhen [3d\]: i wonder if exchanging n9 is worthwhile for b
shenzhen [3d\]: not sure if w has an annoying answer
Ootakamoku [-\]: I have kinda been expeting it
]
;B[hl]C[shenzhen [3d\]: 1-2-3 :p
]
;W[ph]C[liusasori [3d\]: b protect h6 cut
Ootakamoku [-\]: ya
]
;B[ee]
;W[ce]C[shenzhen [3d\]: damn i have to go out for 30 mins, i hope they take their time with yose ;)
]
;B[nf]
;W[mh]C[liusasori [3d\]: be careful, there are people and sun outdoor
shenzhen [3d\]: so b r2 or n9?
shenzhen [3d\]: no sun here, just the lovely darkness and maybe a slit of moon
hazanx: n2 
hazanx: n9*
]
;B[pe]C[shenzhen [3d\]: oh lol of
shenzhen [3d\]: ofc
]
;W[he]C[hazanx: XD
Ootakamoku [-\]: w paaain
SiaBBo [5k\]: is black winning?
hazanx: that guy is counting??
Ootakamoku [-\]: the guy that is trying to break his own neck?
hazanx: lol
Merchant [5k\]: omg, the fidgety guy with green pants again
]
;B[ke]C[hazanx: yes
hazanx: xd
Ootakamoku [-\]: look, coded signlanguage!
]
;W[gk]C[hazanx: he is cheating with thomas
hazanx: giving some stragyes
bolbi [-\]: he's 2d
andreiraz [3k\]: r2 big 
LaicepS [3k\]: 2d is a secret rank for pros in european countries
chouka [4d\]: not now
Ootakamoku [-\]: minor issue with w h10 would be sente
Ootakamoku [-\]: because of w g15
ThiGar [3k\]: g15 threatens n9?
Ootakamoku [-\]: so sad, b will have to play h10 I think
Ootakamoku [-\]: if w gets h10, then b has to play h9, to protect against b j8 in sente
Ootakamoku [-\]: tenuki h10 h9 g10 f14 g11 h12 e11 
Ootakamoku [-\]: so, absolutely not tenuki
SiaBBo [5k\]: what is wrong with just playing g10?
Hellhuman [1d\]: go antii
hazanx: in a ko b would add 1 more threat
hazanx: kill all the aji instead
Ootakamoku [-\]: g10 h9 h10 j8 j10 h7 
liusasori [3d\]: i count w 81.5 b 79
LaicepS [3k\]: on board ?
Viheton [-\]: albert einstein is looking at the game :)
hazanx: nice
liusasori [3d\]: q2-r2 might be decisive then
hazanx: he already read all the possible moves
Ootakamoku [-\]: h10 q2 are next two moves
]
;B[hj]C[Weishenme [5d\]: close game no ?
Ootakamoku [-\]: ya
MaxMakinen [1k\]: white lading by komi or so?
Ootakamoku [-\]: very
]
;W[mk]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: I think w leading by urm.. 1 point or so.
MaxMakinen [1k\]: mmh, ok, that's good news then :)
liusasori [3d\]: wasn't q2 biiger for w ?
hazanx: SiaBBo, probabily if w started a ko with q2 p2 p1 r2 q1 , then H10 would do a good job anti threat
]
;B[ih]
;W[jg]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: and r2 now
Natsuu [1d\]: yeah
boobgoober [3k\]: just what i was thinking
hazanx: i said sh**, no ko with q2 p2 ...
hazanx: sorry 
Viheton [-\]: eurogotv off air... :(
Ootakamoku [-\]: n8 is urm.. 3 points reverse sente?
ekku [-\]: viheton, press refresh
Ootakamoku [-\]: hmm.. 2.5 points rever sente, something like that anyways
copyright [2d\]: r2 
Viheton [-\]: ekku: so it trows you out when you have watched it too long?
ekku [-\]: viheton, i dunno, i think there was just a glitch on the conenction - my stream went off air too but refresh helped
Viheton [-\]: allright, well refreshing works :)
Ootakamoku [-\]: a bit suprising antti taking this long here
Ootakamoku [-\]: would really have thought r2 kinda automatic on this board
fujichan [1d\]: Yes
Viheton [-\]: wel i think hes counting all the moves at this point anyhow even if there in no brainers
Viheton [-\]: in=is
]
;B[qr]
;W[rr]
;B[pr]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: w n8 
]
;W[gj]
;B[gi]
;W[eh]
;B[ei]
;W[fh]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: b e13 instead of e11?
]
;B[fi]C[klo [10k?\]: who's winning
gkivbgu: W
legeh [13k?\]: closed
Viheton [-\]: hard to tell
]
;W[qs]C[Natsuu [1d\]: w seems slightly ahead
Ootakamoku [-\]: c13 b13 e13 f13 f14 d13 g12 e13 n8?
]
;B[ml]
;W[hp]
;B[ip]
;W[gp]
;B[ll]
;W[ge]
;B[gd]
;W[op]
;B[np]
;W[of]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: b lost
Viheton [-\]: yup i think so too
shakti [-\]: sad
Michi86 [5k\]: I would bet to w also
Michi86 [5k\]: :(
Michi86 [5k\]: sadly
Araunt [?\]: go thotho :)
]
;B[ne]
;W[pf]
;B[cm]
;W[bl]
;B[eo]
;W[ep]
;B[gh]
;W[ff]
;B[cg]
;W[bg]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: q1
]
;B[ps]
;W[rs]
;B[gl]
;W[fl]C[Viheton [-\]: o7 
chachu [1k\]: Go Thomas go
]
;B[an]
;W[fm]C[Gorim [3k\]: eh how did that happen that Antti lost
Ootakamoku [-\]: he playd j11
Natsuu [1d\]: Thomas is strong !!
Gorim [3k\]: his position seemed so much better at one point
Madzilla [2d\]: I played Thomas once, didn't have a chance at all...
]
;B[nm]C[Araunt [?\]: I played him once too and won easyly
Gorim [3k\]: h6=resign
Ootakamoku [-\]: I played against antti at last tournament, kinda same experience.
]
;W[hn]
;B[io]C[Nifle [12k?\]: w+2.5?
]
;W[gm]C[Araunt [?\]: but he was oinly 4k at the time :D
]
;B[hm]C[JustBlizz [3k\]: whats the score difference? 
Viheton [-\]: 4,5 i think
]
;W[hk]C[Madzilla [2d\]: I think I would have more chance against Antti, he takes many risks
Ootakamoku [-\]: antti plays a ridiculously solid game against weaker players.
]
;B[in]C[Madzilla [2d\]: I'm a sandbagger ;)
]
;W[em]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: looks like antti lost by a bit more
]
;B[om]
;W[pn]C[Ukasuhs [5d?\]: you're still a weaker player ;)
]
;B[am]
;W[al]
;B[dm]C[Madzilla [2d\]: a bit, but I have beaten players of Antti's level more than once
]
;W[dl]
;B[kf]
;W[cr]
;B[js]
;W[hs]C[liusasori [3d\]: w + 4.5
dxxd [2k\]: I'm almost there too, just have to have a good day..I mean really sunny day
]
;B[aq]C[Madzilla [2d\]: I just think Thomas is the stronger player of the two
]
;W[fe]
;B[dg]
;W[fg]
;B[as]
;W[ki]
;B[kh]
;W[eg]
;B[oe]C[godevilgo [4k\]: At least today
godevilgo [4k\]: But Annti's blog is great!
Madzilla [2d\]: yes!
godevilgo [4k\]: Looking forward to his analysis of this game
Madzilla [2d\]: I have nothing against Antti, and I agree his blog is very good
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: W + 4,5
reflex: Noooo!
reflex: thanks EuroGoTV!
klo [10k?\]: godevilgo, do you have the url of his blog?
mottomo [9k\]: thanks!
zife [-\]: google go of ten
Madzilla [2d\]: gooften.com
mottomo [9k\]: gooften.net
gnarf [1k\]: thx eurogotv
klo [10k?\]: thx
Madzilla [2d\]: sorry, gooften.net
Koukkaaja [3d\]: What is tje result?
legeh [13k?\]: w + 4,5
Gorim [3k\]: no viking power for today:(
kasuaali [?\]: :'(
SIscurge [5d\]: Nice thomas ~(^^~)
klausP [3d?\]: I think B missed the right moment for b2
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