(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Championship 2012 quarterfinals]PW[Pavol Lisy]PB[Ondrej Silt]WR[5d]BR[6d]DT[2012-08-02]PC[Bonn, Germany]C[Liso66 [3k?\]: camera eurogotv1 is on eurogotv2 is off 
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;B[pd]
;W[dp]
;B[pq]
;W[dd]
;B[fq]
;W[cn]
;B[ip]C[mpepe16 [6d\]: So mano choose a peaceful opening.
shenzhen [3d\]: good for w :p
]
;W[po]C[shenzhen [3d\]: hoho
mpepe16 [6d\]: p5
shenzhen [3d\]: q8
]
;B[oo]C[SIscurge [5d\]: P5 somehow feels afraid .. usually q8 o5 o3 m5 r13 l3 
]
;W[qq]
;B[pp]
;W[qp]
;B[on]
;W[qn]
;B[pl]C[Zha0Pei [3d\]: q8 s8 p2 r9 usual
SIscurge [5d\]: really? p2.>. r9?
SIscurge [5d\]: P2 necessery?
]
;W[rl]C[Zha0Pei [3d\]: well, the cut is annoying
mihi [5d\]: yup...if you play L3 the cut becomes dangerous
SIscurge [5d\]: why arent you at EGC mihi?
]
;B[nq]C[gogonuts [5d\]: o3 looks pretty negative to me
gogonuts [5d\]: p2 was more appetizing
Korf [1k\]: pretty negative move? what does that mean?
Madzilla [2d\]: I think O3 is better than P2 because the main issue is how W can invade the bottom, not getting a couple more points in the corner in the late endgame
shenzhen [3d\]: its quite a lot of points in endgame
gogonuts [5d\]: o3 makes b overconcentrated imo
gogonuts [5d\]: its better to shove w around after an invasion than to make invasion impossible
]
;W[nc]C[Madzilla [2d\]: really? ... Do you play this fuseki a lot?
gogonuts [5d\]: on to the next move - where o3 was a little timid, o17 is a little greedy
gogonuts [5d\]: b will surely pincer
gogonuts [5d\]: so w would have been better off with the simple k16, imo
gogonuts [5d\]: the problem for w is that a fight at the top makes the b bottom thickness look better
Pulcik [-\]: tady se muze mluvit ceskoslovensky, ne?:)
Demon [3d\]: My money on Silt for this game.
]
;B[lc]C[Liso66 [3k?\]: @pulcik: igen ;) 
]
;W[ne]C[hiphop [4d\]: :-D
viu30h [5k\]: the most hated joseki is gonna take place?
viu30h [5k\]: or white gonna pincer? xD
]
;B[pf]
;W[kd]
;B[kc]
;W[jd]
;B[jc]
;W[id]C[gogonuts [5d\]: i dont think m17 was the best pincer - harder for w if b pincers at k16 - because w r14 would be on the valueless side
Madzilla [2d\]: I think this joseki choice is very good for W
Madzilla [2d\]: so good that B should have played L17 pincer ant not M17
gogonuts [5d\]: its good for w, but b did the chosing :-)
hiphop [4d\]: Jaktoze nakonec nehraje v tomto Medved s Pisou?
Sur [3k?\]: hiphop: Nikdy s ním hrát neměl, ta tabulka na egobanu byla jen provizorní. Po baráži se pavouk mění
gogonuts [5d\]: madzilla, y L17 would also have been a better pincer
gogonuts [5d\]: the main problem with m17 is that b had to play on the right after that
hiphop [4d\]: Sur: dik
gogonuts [5d\]: and w s8 made the right very small
Pulcik [-\]: Demon: they have quite balanced score (10:7 for Silt) ;)
]
;B[ld]C[Sur [3k?\]: Pulcik: And I hoped it would be easy win for Silt :-(
]
;W[le]
;B[hc]
;W[ge]
;B[fc]C[Pulcik [-\]: Palko is a tough opponent!
]
;W[gb]C[Sur [3k?\]: I kinda wish for a czech duel now :-/
gogonuts [5d\]: g18 for g17 doesnt look like a great exchange to me
]
;B[gc]C[gogonuts [5d\]: so what waqs the point of g18?
rats [2k\]: to make black heavy, lol
gogonuts [5d\]: nice, rats
sempai [-\]: perhaps d18 ?
SIscurge [5d\]: G18 is Simara's trick play usually 
SIscurge [5d\]: Now w has d18 sente
]
;W[ic]
;B[ib]
;W[hb]
;B[jb]
;W[fb]
;B[ec]C[rats [2k\]: erm.. strange
Laman [1d\]: looks like DDK sequence :)
rats [2k\]: can close off at d17 though, still strange
SIscurge [5d\]: I am not super sure but I think G18 should have been answered h18 according to simara's theory ... 
SIscurge [5d\]: But its the first time I see someone pull our with f18
]
;W[dc]
;B[eb]
;W[db]C[gogonuts [5d\]: d19 looks pretty nice for b here
]
;B[da]
;W[ca]
;B[ea]
;W[bb]C[orioles: maybe white hoped for sente here:/
shenzhen [3d\]: worth coming out at f15? or just asking for trouble?
gogonuts [5d\]: probably not going out, because w cant block the center in sente
viu30h [5k\]: its nice invasion aji so better preserve for invasionß
viu30h [5k\]: ?
gogonuts [5d\]: i would now chose between d7 or c11 as b
shenzhen [3d\]: mm i think i prefer c11
shenzhen [3d\]: d7 seems like w will find a way to counter attack
goren2 [3k\]: why not c8?
gogonuts [5d\]: go is a tough game :-)
viu30h [5k\]: c8 gets attacked with easy profit?
gogonuts [5d\]: c8 would get pincered
goren2 [3k\]: i see it in games all the time though - so a counter to c8 with c6-d4 formation is a pincer?
shenzhen [3d\]: c8 may be possible in games where black has more backup in top left
shenzhen [3d\]: its not common without d2 c3 exchange in place already though
goren2 [3k\]: ok
shenzhen [3d\]: anyway in this game its too powerplay
]
;B[he]C[shenzhen [3d\]: hoo, he wants to go out
orioles: white has some weaknesses here, I prefered F15, but this is much better
SIkachnak [3d\]: i wonder how w will handle this
]
;W[hd]
;B[fe]C[Liso66 [3k?\]: f16?
gogonuts [5d\]: i dont the the uesfulness of h15
]
;W[gf]C[salu [2k\]: w cant f16?
]
;B[ee]
;W[eg]C[nkwit: why did w play b18 before? looks too early for that kind of move
viu30h [5k\]: cause the d17 stones had no base
viu30h [5k\]: only wsith e13 around they can dream about connecting
nkwit: w could have extended arount c13?
]
;B[de]C[nkwit: around*
]
;W[cg]
;B[be]
;W[bd]
;B[dm]
;W[fm]C[SIkachnak [3d\]: cheater p0wa
SIkachnak [3d\]: !!
]
;B[dn]
;W[cm]
;B[dl]
;W[cl]
;B[dk]
;W[do]
;B[fo]C[DoDoBird [3d\]: B brave
]
;W[gk]C[SIkachnak [3d\]: what was wrong with just cut
SIkachnak [3d\]: ?
DoDoBird [3d\]: small
goren2 [3k\]: KOnnect now?
DoDoBird [3d\]: too awkward to conncet
SIsaimon [1k\]: what else though?
]
;B[en]C[orioles: connection is so slow, but probably had to be...
orioles: I wonder what move now
DoDoBird [3d\]: around K7 or something?
orioles: I thought about K6, but maybe a bit deep
DoDoBird [3d\]: 6 workable
Liso66 [3k?\]: euro how much time remains to players? 
Malingo [4d\]: what next? k6 l5 r17 ?
]
;W[jn]C[eurogotv4 [-\]: Silt 1:16, Lisy 1:35
Liso66 [3k?\]: thnx
]
;B[cq]C[orioles: very nice
orioles: everything in sente
daniug [2d\]: go b
shenzhen [3d\]: pavols stones in the middle look a bit random :s
SIsaimon [1k\]: it's new shape, the mammoth's head
]
;W[eq]C[orioles: :D
orioles: they are dead so it cant be good shape:)
SIsaimon [1k\]: but there are project to revive them by cloning!
SIsaimon [1k\]: *is
]
;B[fr]C[orioles: what is palko thinking about?
]
;W[er]C[Warlord [-\]: girls
]
;B[ck]C[orioles: lol maybe:)
]
;W[bo]C[SIscurge [5d\]: looks like black is comfourtably ahead
shenzhen [3d\]: pavol gonna kill top right corner
shenzhen [3d\]: no problem
orioles: thats why white must cheat from now:)
]
;B[jk]C[SImamutik [2d\]: I really like this move ...
SImamutik [2d\]: it´s clever
orioles: punnisment for whites mammouths shape
Liso66 [3k?\]: hello new euro! :) 
eurogotv4 [-\]: Hi!
]
;W[lk]
;B[kl]
;W[jp]C[SIscurge [5d\]: Looks very hard for w
gogonuts [5d\]: k4 looks like a good choice though
]
;B[jq]
;W[io]
;B[kp]
;W[ko]
;B[jo]
;W[ed]
;B[fd]
;W[jp]C[Liso66 [3k?\]: euro - you could probably comment things around (faces of player etc)... it could be easier or more funny to you too to comment loooooong game :) 
eurogotv4 [-\]: :)
eurogotv4 [-\]: Ondrej: Deep in thought Pavol: Still thinking about girls
eurogotv4 [-\]: :)
SIscurge [5d\]: :o)
Liso66 [3k?\]: :D:D thanx! :) 
Pulcik [-\]: so white leads :)))
orioles: it makes sense:)
eurogotv4 [-\]: :)
]
;B[ll]C[Pulcik [-\]: come on Mano! more concentration on girls!!!;)
]
;W[hp]
;B[iq]
;W[go]
;B[gp]C[orioles: white wants to kill E6 group?
eurogotv4 [-\]: I see a very good variation for w
]
;W[hq]C[orioles: due ko
]
;B[kq]
;W[fn]C[Warlord [-\]: b so steady
]
;B[eo]
;W[ho]C[orioles: black connects
orioles: or force?
]
;B[hr]
;W[gq]
;B[fp]
;W[gr]
;B[gs]
;W[es]
;B[fs]
;W[il]
;B[me]
;W[mf]
;B[md]
;W[lf]
;B[nd]
;W[qc]
;B[rd]
;W[qd]
;B[re]
;W[pc]C[eurogotv4 [-\]: P16?
]
;B[nf]C[SIkachnak [3d\]: p16-just connects
]
;W[rb]C[SIscurge [5d\]: reading contest
]
;B[fg]C[mihi [5d\]: w ahead
]
;W[ff]
;B[ef]
;W[dg]
;B[cf]
;W[fh]
;B[ad]
;W[bc]
;B[gg]C[SIscurge [5d\]: Couldnt have went better for white
eurogotv4 [-\]: well if black passed...:)
]
;W[hg]
;B[gh]
;W[hh]C[eurogotv4 [-\]: ...
]
;B[gi]C[eurogotv4 [-\]: black dead?
Warlord [-\]: done?
]
;W[fi]C[Liso66 [3k?\]: how much time to byoyomi? 
]
;B[hf]
;W[gd]C[eurogotv4 [-\]: W 49 min B 13 min
]
;B[hi]C[SIkachnak [3d\]: i wonder if it wasnt better for black just to block at q17 instead of pushing through at n15
]
;W[ii]
;B[ih]
;W[ig]
;B[ij]C[boobgoober [3k\]: advantage b
]
;W[jh]C[Weishenme [5d\]: f10 !!!
boobgoober [3k\]: f10
]
;B[fj]C[Weishenme [5d\]: lader not good for w
]
;W[gj]
;B[hj]
;W[ej]
;B[fk]
;W[ek]
;B[fl]
;W[el]
;B[gl]
;W[em]C[Warlord [-\]: it is
]
;B[hk]
;W[hm]
;B[gm]
;W[gn]C[eurogotv4 [-\]: this guy is breathing really loudly beside me
papadog [6k\]: how much time left?
eurogotv4 [-\]: B: 8 min W: 43 min
boobgoober [3k\]: e11
SIkachnak [3d\]: e11 not working
SIkachnak [3d\]: just e10¨
SIkachnak [3d\]: oh
mihi [5d\]: D11
SIkachnak [3d\]: i thought about wrong coordinate
SIkachnak [3d\]: d11-d10
]
;B[ci]C[Warlord [-\]: D11 gets cut i guess
]
;W[di]
;B[ke]
;W[if]
;B[rk]
;W[ql]
;B[qk]
;W[ng]
;B[oe]
;W[mh]
;B[ch]
;W[jl]
;B[eh]
;W[dh]
;B[ei]
;W[dj]
;B[bg]
;W[cj]
;B[bk]
;W[bj]
;B[ah]
;W[km]
;B[sl]
;W[rm]C[Crisb [2k\]:  
]
;B[mb]C[Madzilla [2d\]: why is W still playing?
Sur [3k?\]: why wouldn't he?
]
;W[qa]
;B[qr]
;W[rr]C[Madzilla [2d\]: because he's 10pt behind?
]
(;B[rs]C[Sur [3k?\]: nothing to lose by practising endgame and hoping for mistake
Thoravatar [3d\]: wow desperate ko
]
;W[pr]
;B[ps]
;W[qs]C[Madzilla [2d\]: why desperate?
Thoravatar [3d\]: not normal when "10 points ahead" :P
Madzilla [2d\]: W stands to lose much more than B
Madzilla [2d\]: it's almost a picnic ko
]
;B[ba]C[SIsaimon [1k\]: well...
Thoravatar [3d\]: for white it is yeah :)
Madzilla [2d\]: B taking the ko is sente, otherwise the whole W group dies
Thoravatar [3d\]: white can walk out
Thoravatar [3d\]: it is three step ko for black
SImamutik [2d\]: I think it is very close
]
;W[aa]C[SIsaimon [1k\]: which are b threats?
gisel [3d\]: b+8 points or so I think
Malingo [4d\]: not 3 step just local threats
Madzilla [2d\]: ... at least the ko made the game a bit more exciting
]
;B[qr]C[Liso66 [3k?\]: so it could byoyomi too... 
SImamutik [2d\]: isn´t this ko unnecessary complication for black?
Thoravatar [3d\]: i know, but its just to make a point :P
Madzilla [2d\]: B has several huge ko threats
Madzilla [2d\]: looks pretty comfortable
Madzilla [2d\]: I don't see exactly where W is going to find ko threats
Madzilla [2d\]: walking out at Q7 is not really a threat
Liso66 [3k?\]: camera eurogotv is again off? 
]
;W[or]C[Thoravatar [3d\]: well that's a threat
]
;B[rq]C[Madzilla [2d\]: making the ko bigger isn't such a great idea when he has no threats
]
;W[qs]C[Liso66 [3k?\]: could somebody move it to this game? 
Liso66 [3k?\]: or just zoom...
Madzilla [2d\]: D3
]
;B[ob]C[Madzilla [2d\]: hmm, maybe not such a great threat... C4 maybe better
forgotten [6d\]: ignore
]
;W[pb]
;B[qr]
;W[sr]C[gisel [3d\]: should have ignored, w would have a chance to win I think
]
(;B[nr])
(;B[rp]
;W[qs]C[Madzilla [2d\]: C4 is impossible to ignore
]
;B[je]
;W[ie]
;B[qr]
;W[qo]
;B[sq]
;W[qs]C[shenzhen [3d\]: w just has p3 and b has at least two in LL
shenzhen [3d\]: so b wins?
]
;B[ln]C[gisel [3d\]: yeah, I think w resign soon
Madzilla [2d\]: nice!
Warlord [-\]: A10 life for white?
Madzilla [2d\]: no
Madzilla [2d\]: A10 A9
Madzilla [2d\]: B still wins the semeai at the top
Warlord [-\]: pah seeing ghosts
kamil [-\]: m5
SIkachnak [3d\]: take probably
Madzilla [2d\]: M5 just gives B more ko threats
]
;W[lo]C[kamil [-\]: only move
Madzilla [2d\]: hmm
]
;B[qr]C[Madzilla [2d\]: Are you the famous Kamil? ;-)
kamil [-\]: o2 or n3
]
;W[mq]C[Madzilla [2d\]: Who won the WAGC fighting spirit price
kamil [-\]: first hear this
]
;B[nr]
;W[qs]C[shenzhen [3d\]: you'll have to speak up a little
]
;B[cp]
;W[co]
;B[qr]
;W[mr]
;B[ss]C[forgotten [6d\]: w want to kill lowerleft?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b has a10 backdoor
forgotten [6d\]: sure
kamil [-\]: s2
SIkachnak [3d\]: black should have exchanged a11 when it was sente...
eurogotv4 [-\]: o1
SIkachnak [3d\]: pity
SIkachnak [3d\]: white i mean
]
;W[ai]C[eurogotv4 [-\]: b dies, w win
eurogotv4 [-\]: b lives, b win
SIscurge [5d\]: b fough well 
iju [-\]: wow
]
;B[ms]C[forgotten [6d\]: you sure its not close if b dies eurogotv?
eurogotv4 [-\]: maybe
Siasio [4d\]: ko?
eurogotv4 [-\]: :)
]
;W[ls]C[Madzilla [2d\]: uh?
Madzilla [2d\]: just N4
]
;B[lp]C[Madzilla [2d\]: ???
]
;W[mp]C[SIscurge [5d\]: I think b nervous
]
;B[mo]
;W[np]C[SIscurge [5d\]: still unclear to me
eurogotv4 [-\]: so exciting!
Warlord [-\]: this doesnt work for b, does it?
Geng: no I don't think so
Laman [1d\]: Mano, don't mess up!
]
;B[op]
;W[ns]C[forgotten [6d\]: black is dead
eurogotv4 [-\]: b dead
eurogotv4 [-\]: yup
]
;B[oq]C[eurogotv4 [-\]: o5
]
;W[no]
;B[mn]
;W[nn]
;B[nm]
;W[mm]
;B[jo]
;W[kn]
;B[lm]
;W[om]
;B[in]
;W[jp]
;B[os]C[shenzhen [3d\]: this is an awesome fight, very cheateresque
SIkachnak [3d\]: cheateresque :DD
]
;W[nl]C[isumi43 [5k\]: lol
shenzhen [3d\]: well, w doesnt necessarily need to fight ko now cos of l9
]
;B[jo]C[SIkachnak [3d\]: connect
Korf [1k\]: :)
gdghgjd [3d\]: n8?
]
;W[jm]C[danmaybe [4k\]: n9
]
;B[ml]
;W[nm]C[litlecolek [1d\]: b resign
]
;B[hl]
;W[jp]C[SIkachnak [3d\]: w infiniti of ko threats
SIkachnak [3d\]: ¨from l9
]
;B[bh]C[GetStrong [1d\]: lol
Laman [1d\]: who dies now?
kamil [-\]: next ko
Hedopom [4d\]: b
Desperis [2k\]: l9 not ko threats after black takes the liberties, or am I mistaking ?
SIscurge [5d\]: I think I changed my mind and I want mano to win, go go mano! :)
shenzhen [3d\]: j2?
Warlord [-\]: he's fighting valiantly, that's for sure :)
gnarf [1k\]: eh, what a mess
SIkachnak [3d\]: j2 
shenzhen [3d\]: i dont think its clear who is dead
SIkachnak [3d\]: and k1
shenzhen [3d\]: i think w might be dead
SIkachnak [3d\]: seems to be working
]
;W[kk]C[SIsaimon [1k\]: maybe both are dead
]
;B[mk]
;W[mj]
;B[nk]C[SImikin [1k\]: lol
]
;W[ok]C[shenzhen [3d\]: or at least the ko is necessary
]
;B[nj]
;W[oj]C[shenzhen [3d\]: oh wow
shenzhen [3d\]: gg
Warlord [-\]: dafuq
SImikin [1k\]: it works
]
;B[ni]
;W[oi]C[kamil [-\]: ko
orioles: good for w
shenzhen [3d\]: ah ko indeed
SIsaimon [1k\]: so w wins
]
;B[mi]
;W[li]C[shenzhen [3d\]: b has d3 :)
]
;B[lj]C[shenzhen [3d\]: is it enough?
]
;W[kj]C[shenzhen [3d\]: i guess w can j2 though
]
;B[ki]
;W[mj]C[papadog [6k\]: nothing that big
]
;B[dq]C[SImikin [1k\]: cheater rulez no? :)
Geng: ummm
SIkachnak [3d\]: can respond
kamil [-\]: resign would be good timing for B
shenzhen [3d\]: cheater rulez indeed
SIkachnak [3d\]: then j2
shenzhen [3d\]: yeah respond i think
]
;W[ep]C[shenzhen [3d\]: b can threat b11 and come bck to life maybe?
Geng: black lost a liberty there
shenzhen [3d\]: cant worry about liberties now, no other choice
]
;B[lj]
;W[ir]C[shenzhen [3d\]: b resigns maybe
]
;B[lh]
;W[hs]C[Laman [1d\]: time to cheat cheater
shenzhen [3d\]: q7 and play on?
SImamutik [2d\]: ko complicated everything ... why?
]
;B[lg]C[SIscurge [5d\]: yea
kamil [-\]: q9
]
;W[mg]C[clarknogo [1k\]: q7 big
hihahohu: q9 and over
shenzhen [3d\]: already over i think
SIsaimon [1k\]: q9 w would die
shenzhen [3d\]: w wins
]
;B[pm]
;W[pk]
;B[pn]
;W[qj]C[shenzhen [3d\]: cheater too tricky
shenzhen [3d\]: even can double hane
orioles: white sacrifice few stones, cant be killed whole
]
;B[ol]C[SImamutik [2d\]: yes
SIscurge [5d\]: yeah cut!!
SIscurge [5d\]: w has to come back
SImamutik [2d\]: nice!
]
;W[ms]C[shenzhen [3d\]: w canlive right side anyway
]
;B[rj]C[forgotten [6d\]: p13 is sente as well
]
;W[ri]C[forgotten [6d\]: maybe not t.t
Warlord [-\]: brutal
shenzhen [3d\]: p13 not real sente
SImamutik [2d\]: was there a time to cut at o13 in sente?
shenzhen [3d\]: p13 tenukil14 l13 o12 k11 
SImamutik [2d\]: *p13*
SIscurge [5d\]: p13 l14 r11 r12 q10 q11 r7 r10 s6 s13 
eurogotv4 [-\]: W+R
SIscurge [5d\]: a true
eurogotv4 [-\]: Pavol wins
shenzhen [3d\]: woot, go pavol
Laman [1d\]:  T.T
SIscurge [5d\]: hmm, well done pavol :)
gnarf [1k\]: thx eurogo
Liso66 [3k?\]: :) yes! 
SImamutik [2d\]: unbelievable!
shenzhen [3d\]: unlucky ondreeej
Laman [1d\]: thank you, EuroGo
SIscurge [5d\]: nice come back
SIscurge [5d\]: I think if black had played the other move then m4 he ould have won
SIscurge [5d\]: Thanks for broadcasting
orioles: congrats Palko
orioles: wish you ll be in final
isumi43 [5k\]: Thx Euro
eurogotv4 [-\]: Bye!
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