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RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[EGC2012 MAIN round 5 board 1]PW[Cornel Burzo]PB[Jun Hyup Song]WR[6d]BR[7d]DT[2012-07-27]PC[Bonn, Germany]US[Olivier Dulac]C[hvk [-\]: hi
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;B[dc]C[mate105 [3d\]: hi
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;W[pp]
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;W[cl]
;B[ce]C[BaguaZhang [3d\]: hi. is there a link with yesterday results?
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;W[fq]C[Koffein [-\]: http://www.egc2012.eu/congress/main-tournaments/open-european-championship/results-main-tournament-round-4
Saber [3d\]: heh Cornel sent me an email yesterday about this game
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;B[nc]C[Saber [3d\]: :P
CzechIt: b seems pro level
EGC: Batgirl, kommst Du zum Wochenendtournier?
O3epo: eurogotv Video camera work?
holynec [-\]: What did he say, Saber?
Akari1 [1k\]: can you tell after 10 moves?
Saber [3d\]: holynec - that he hopes to do well :P
Saber [3d\]: but will be hard
Dovery [4d\]: lets kibitz~~
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;W[qj]C[Saber [3d\]: also playing white...
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;B[cj]C[Akari1 [1k\]: should w not play D6?
Blaubaer [5d\]: perh a bit slow
mate105 [3d\]: c4
Backflash [6k\]: hasami on hasami, hope he got a plan
Guyome [3d\]: b has made two shimaris, considered bad for w
Dovery [4d\]: isnt white d6 form a wall?
holynec [-\]: no live stream today? :k
dentist [2d?\]: hm - two shimaris...
Saber [3d\]: i think B has a better flow in this game already
Saber [3d\]: will be hard fighting for W
elmex [6k\]: the live stream works almost, i got audio, but the video seems to be stuck more or less
Reym [-\]: yeah stream frozen for me too, like 1 frame per minute
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: so hard to really shut down the c6 stone
elmex [6k\]: yep
Uberdude [4d?\]: Guyome, these days with big komi 2 shimaris not considered so bad
stalkor [2k?\]: is dinerchtein not participating this year?
Uberdude [4d?\]: correct
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no locat internet connection yet, so going through harry's phone :(
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: local
TheClown [2d\]: perhaps split with j17 now
dentist [2d?\]: wer ist dieser harry?
Guyome [3d\]: thx, uberdude
alfi [4k\]: d11
dentist [2d?\]: ... und wo ist sally?
Pinguschaf [?\]: thx for the effort, Eurogo!
xxxxxxxxx [4d\]: will be an interesting game
Reym [-\]: yep nice backup solution eurogo!
chunz [?\]: can you move the korean flag out of the way. blocking half the board
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: :)
stalkor [2k?\]: uberdude, do you know why?
O3epo: eurogotv  video camera will work?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i'll move it when it seems appropriate
Blaubaer [5d\]: haha
Cassis0 [5d\]: korean flag on half the board is pretty common
mate105 [3d\]: thank you Eurogotvs for bringing the games to us
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;W[qf]C[dentist [2d?\]: hmm c5 for b, and change to j17 area after w answers?
alfi [4k\]: y thx
TheClown [2d\]: k16
Uberdude [4d?\]: dunno stalkor
alfi [4k\]: r12
Nande [1d\]: no boradcast today ?
Blaubaer [5d\]: e6?
Nande [1d\]: broadcast
Nande [1d\]: *
Needless [4d\]: yes broadcast is up
Uberdude [4d?\]: i think he was there for padanet teams
holynec [-\]: !!1
Needless [4d\]: it says offline but it work
Ootakamoku [-\]: wehy not r12 instead of c10?
Uberdude [4d?\]: c10 wants to use c6
gilmi [4k?\]: how can you see live?
O3epo: eurogotv  video camera will work?
holynec [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Blaubaer [5d\]: hm difficult choice
holynec [-\]: the stream says offline on the website
holynec [-\]: but that link works o.p
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;B[nq]C[gilmi [4k?\]: thanks
Laman [1d\]: but the video is on
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: maybe not on purpose .. i know harry records games video locally
holynec [-\]: korean flag blocks the krean side!
Ootakamoku [-\]: uberdude, but doesnt c10 use of c6 kinda ruin the corner miai?
ShenWei [2k\]: pls burn the korean flag a little ;-)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: but enjoy until harry comes by (his phone connection is not meant for this)
O3epo: holynec  thanks
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;W[pn]C[Xite [2d?\]: remove Korean flag pls
Needless [4d\]: it cover half the board~
elmex [6k\]: EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i'll move it when it seems appropriate
mate105 [3d\]: Eurogo will do it when he has a proper chance
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;B[pr]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: hmm, also the picture is frozen right now.
holynec [-\]: ELMEX IS OUR SCRIBE? :D
Ootakamoku [-\]: video that is
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: done
dentist [2d?\]: the stream says cornel vs zhao pei ^^
holynec [-\]: but the video shows otherwise ^^
Backflash [6k\]: does Jun look like Zhao Pei?
TheClown [2d\]: after r3 l3 is j17 a move
alfi [4k\]: n3
Ootakamoku [-\]: n3 kinda wants ladder breaker
Ootakamoku [-\]: hmm, well, maybe not on this board
Pinguschaf [?\]: yes i like Zhao Pei
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ill fix it
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;W[cp]C[Pinguschaf [?\]: oh, missread "look like" - no, i dont
hjeksdhf [5d\]: too many 3rd line extensions, when will the fighting start!?!
Ootakamoku [-\]: feels dangerous to omit j3.. seems w left in a silly siutation concearning c6 aji, unless adds a move like..
Ootakamoku [-\]: urm.. c4
keima2001 [5k?\]: cornel burzo has 4 wins?
holynec [-\]: no games on weds
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;B[od]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: j17 
holynec [-\]: p16 looks bad
Blaubaer [5d\]: p16 wow rocksolid
hjeksdhf [5d\]: wow p16 seems super solid to me
TheClown [2d\]: p16 strange
holynec [-\]: if he was going to do p16, why not just p17 - _ -
elmex [6k\]: p16 lost the game - or something :)
hjeksdhf [5d\]: maybe b feels fuseki is nice for him
xxxxxxxxx [4d\]: p16 is smart
CzechIt: such a nice fuseki
hjeksdhf [5d\]: or maybe just aiming to invade right side
Pinguschaf [?\]: now d7 :) ?
TheClown [2d\]: r12 be more agressive
hjeksdhf [5d\]: top seems big, need to prevent k16 i guess
TheClown [2d\]: i also vote for k16
Guyome [3d\]: both are saying "let's make it a long, territorial game"
elmex [6k\]: a quite low opening
nnnn2007 [1d\]: b15
Ootakamoku [-\]: could play e17 too
hjeksdhf [5d\]: not sure if k16 is the point for w :) just i think he needs to prevent b k16
nnnn2007 [1d\]: or d18
TheClown [2d\]: it was for balck i meant
hjeksdhf [5d\]: but its w turn :p
globax [3d\]: p14 ?
Ootakamoku [-\]: one of the following for w : j17 j16 e17 ...
TheClown [2d\]: white j17 now i almost sure
TheClown [2d\]: perhaps e17 or e16
TheClown [2d\]: or e15
holynec [-\]: d7
essential [3k\]: these 2 again?
hjeksdhf [5d\]: these two for the first tiem
Neospring [2k\]: stream frozen?
K5 [1k\]: I think I prefer j17 because of miai f17/m17 
essential [3k\]: these two played yesterday
Minjhou [-\]: it is, Neospring,m seems
Akari1 [1k\]: e10
xxxxxxxxx [4d\]: either d7 or upper side
fru123sa [7k\]: Is video frozen for anyone else?
Ootakamoku [-\]: j17 g17 m17 m15 a bit painfull for w maybe.. well, have to do something about the top but..
rasse [3k\]: yes
Minjhou [-\]: for me too fru
mate105 [3d\]: yes it is
holynec [-\]: yes it is not working
fru123sa [7k\]: Thanks.
Blaubaer [5d\]: b r12 isnt that nice for w?
Akari1 [1k\]: J17
elmex [6k\]: yes, video is frozen because of bad internet
Minjhou [-\]: also, the flag don't let to see the whole board
elmex [6k\]: eurogotv might be able to fix it later
Ootakamoku [-\]: and because j17 g17 m17 is no fun for w, then maybe w will start with e17
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i'm 99% sure i should turn video off but harry may kill me
TheClown [2d\]: e15 might be good
elmex [6k\]: l17
hjeksdhf [5d\]: go find him, we'll remember the move order for you from the video
holynec [-\]: dont chance it EGTV1!
mate105 [3d\]: I am tempting to protect the right side, say p14
observ: i dont get p16. good old days double wing with j16 or so would have been automove 
TheClown [2d\]: in e15 white have kikashis to make ladder good
essential [3k\]: ooh
Ootakamoku [-\]: mate, p14 n14 looks.. dangerous
essential [3k\]: I was thinking of this guy and roln
K5 [1k\]: I would consider e15 if B already had double wing, or if w could use the influence it gains. Here I don't see such influence looking that helpful
Ootakamoku [-\]: because b made the corner so strong almost tempted to play q12 as shape instead of p14, but then that would leave b with too good moves on the topside, meh..
TheClown [2d\]: it feels like kind of double wing
TheClown [2d\]: even distance betwee d17 and o17 big
K5 [1k\]: Yeah, top is pretty strong, so perhaps j16 is more suitable than j17?
mate105 [3d\]: imo since b made a slow move at p16 white can make one too at p14
Ootakamoku [-\]: eurogotv, is it ok for you to restart the recording, maybe that corrects it?
TheClown [2d\]: e15 might help c8
Ootakamoku [-\]: mate105, Im more like thinking p14 is too fast
essential [3k\]: why make a slow move because your opponent makes a slow move?
Namaskar [1d\]: Hi EuroGo ... trying to get the feed up ... when I click on 'live' it takes me to an interview with Frank Janssen... no live TV? or broken link?
Ootakamoku [-\]: after b made the corner so strong, the r12 and r8 feel difficult to hanle since little aji against corner
hermitek [5k?\]: it's using mobile connection, Ootakamoku, the live stream is on probably by mistake
mate105 [3d\]: yes
TheClown [2d\]: r12 can always s12
JEGO [7k\]: Where is the "mondial Go TV "?
SIscurge [5d\]: Hmmm,, maybe black si a bit better?
TheClown [2d\]: and get something
abcefg: how about j17? 
Blaubaer [5d\]: hm id q12
Ootakamoku [-\]: the more I think about it, the more I feel e17 only move
essential [3k\]: black is better here
SIscurge [5d\]: but K16 nice for b
TheClown [2d\]: i vot for e15
holynec [-\]: Lets bet
Backflash [6k\]: p16 woah how plain
Backflash [6k\]: effective but...
essential [3k\]: p16 is a very solid move
mate105 [3d\]: I like it thou :)
TheClown [2d\]: it is not bad
essential [3k\]: black is strong on both sides, so a white move on top will suffer
mate105 [3d\]: solid is cool
Needless [4d\]: it feels like w need somethin on top
Backflash [6k\]: im not saying it's bad
K5 [1k\]: What's the sequence after e17?
Needless [4d\]: prehaps d18 or j17 ~
hjeksdhf [5d\]: e17 e16 f17 d18 f16 e15 k17 is whites dream
Ootakamoku [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 is showing harry and urm. who is the other guy, going over the game.
essential [3k\]: its hard to know what to do here as white -.-
Backflash [6k\]: e17 is overplayish?
CzechIt: e15 is interesting?
Backflash [6k\]: for this position i mean
hjeksdhf [5d\]: but there are 1000 other vars
essential [3k\]: e17 isn't an overplay
essential [3k\]: very common attachment
hjeksdhf [5d\]: e17 might even be underplay here :)
CzechIt: hjek, what would you play?
Ootakamoku [-\]: its just, b made topright corner so strong, so dont feel like getting pushed into it
TheClown [2d\]: e17 is sabaki move
Ootakamoku [-\]: hence e17
JEGO [7k\]: i prefer e15 
hjeksdhf [5d\]: j17 i guess.. boring though
TheClown [2d\]: just want to live
martin3141 [-\]: j17 seems simple and effective
TheClown [2d\]: i think e15 is stronger
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;W[id]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: still, j17 will make perfect use of both d17 shimari, by giving it the extension it actually wants, while allowing b to push towards o17 shape which is oh so ver strong, after last move
Ootakamoku [-\]: oh, atleast high
essential [3k\]: j16 is goodness
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;B[gd]C[TheClown [2d\]: have m4 in reserve if need ladder to be right
Ootakamoku [-\]: and still b pushes towards the new strong group
TheClown [2d\]: hmmm
TheClown [2d\]: not my move
Ootakamoku [-\]: rly would have liked d17 before j16
hjeksdhf [5d\]: m17 feels only move, maybe he thinks about j14 though...
holynec [-\]: j16 misclick?
holynec [-\]: <:D
Ootakamoku [-\]: w could just jump out too
holynec [-\]: j14
Minjhou [-\]: why should b j17 instead of j16?
TheClown [2d\]: but black get very big corner
CzechIt: zen would play n16 :D
K5 [1k\]: I would m17 - fits plan of settling on top
Ootakamoku [-\]: I would back out as white, l17 is kinda meh for black anyways, since corner already so strong
K5 [1k\]: j17 = in deference to B's strength, easier to get away
Ootakamoku [-\]: so just j14 here
lucifer3 [2k\]: m17  threatens nothing
CzechIt: j17 doesn't want to get flattened
TheClown [2d\]: when j16 escapes black still have big yose in j17
hjeksdhf [5d\]: maybe d18 now :-p
Ootakamoku [-\]: theclown, isnt the j17 and l17 kinda miai
Blaubaer [5d\]: id ask in the corner first d18
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Ootakamoku [-\]: hjek, does d18 rly work still?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: for very slow but present video feed
hjeksdhf [5d\]: work in what sense? its a probe
TheClown [2d\]: m17
JEGO [7k\]: if j14 black g14 to make moyo not so good for white
Ootakamoku [-\]: eurogotv, the video feed is about something totaly different, not about the game.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ah, harry must have closed it then
JEGO [7k\]: thanks
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: sorry
learngofan [-\]: hello, where can we see the results plz?
Ootakamoku [-\]: ´hjek, just seems easy choice to protect corner
Koffein [-\]: http://www.egc2012.eu/congress/main-tournaments/open-european-championship/results-main-tournament-round-4
learngofan [-\]: thx!
Ootakamoku [-\]: d18 c18 do you think w can use the aji left after b protects corner?
Ootakamoku [-\]: d18 c17 maybe even
hjeksdhf [5d\]: sure d18 c18 e17  will be something at g17 later
Ootakamoku [-\]: hmm, true
hjeksdhf [5d\]: but it may still be too fancy for now
hjeksdhf [5d\]: wouldn't surprise me if w just jumps
xxxxxxxxx [4d\]: black won the fuseki
TheClown [2d\]: d18 will be very violent
Koffein [-\]: d18 c17 and how do you continue? i'd rather play c16 if i want to make some aji in the corner
TheClown [2d\]: e17 g17
Ootakamoku [-\]: ya, maybe some hope of using b15 aji too, if c8 wakes up
hjeksdhf [5d\]: d18 c17 tenuki :) and later can e17 with a bit of aji at g17
TheClown [2d\]: i think it is overplay
Muttley [2k\]: Any reason why they are not available, EuroGoTV?
gogonuts [5d\]: corner is still looking good ...
zum [-\]: oh boy is cornel happy about his fgs training
zum [-\]: kgs
Muttley [2k\]: just to give an idea whether they are likely to return
dentist [2d?\]: se likes cornel
SIscurge [5d\]: G16 looks good
zum [-\]: se is 30k
hjeksdhf [5d\]: j16 was a good move for se
gogonuts [5d\]: b played a little negatively to avoid chaos
Needless [4d\]: am I the only one who's long sentence don't appear on KGS, seems the lines are not getting a return like they used too?
dentist [2d?\]: se is god
Ootakamoku [-\]: gogo, what do you think of e17 instead of j16?
gogonuts [5d\]: i guess hes confident that he can take it in the endgame
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: we are on using harry's phone data connection. until they fix the local internet connection there will be no feed
Muttley [2k\]: :( thanks
gobudo [1d\]: m16?
hjeksdhf [5d\]: damn interwebs
TheClown [2d\]: d18 i think is interestin
gogonuts [5d\]: i think e17 would have been rash :-)
Ootakamoku [-\]: gogo, you think b would just pincer it?
elmex [6k\]: j14
gogonuts [5d\]: helps b too much on the left side
Ootakamoku [-\]: oh
gogonuts [5d\]: still a lot going on on the left
Ootakamoku [-\]: ok
Ootakamoku [-\]: thx
gogonuts [5d\]: but with the solid b g4, w can aim at b15 or c14 in the future :_)
gogonuts [5d\]: w is hesitating because the "natural" m17 has little effect on the corner
quary: hey guys, is Mateusz Surma playing today?
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;W[dm]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: oh
gogonuts [5d\]: w c4 made w d7 later playable
TheClown [2d\]: hmmm another direction
hollywood [2k\]: im 2k, he is 2d how much handy?
Ootakamoku [-\]: well, d7 is big, and makes g4 a bit less clear for black
gogonuts [5d\]: without c4, d7 would be very bad
Ootakamoku [-\]: 3 stones
hollywood [2k\]: thanks
quary: l16b?
Ootakamoku [-\]: hollywood, technically, you want 3 stones and reverse komi, if you want to make the game fair, but standard handi is 3 stones, and white has 60% chance to win.
Cassis0 [5d\]: d7 is a bit greedy considering j16 is alone 
orro [1k\]: so territorial... more like a kyu game...
Ootakamoku [-\]: d7 does make b g4 look alot less tempting
Koffein [-\]: more like a pro game
JEGO [7k\]: d7 good move because black mus defend C10 stone
rtg65: l16
Ootakamoku [-\]: cassis, how are you goint to attack j16?
elmex [6k\]: g14
keima2001 [5k?\]: there is a video transmition?
CarterKane [5d\]: I like black here
TheClown [2d\]: j14?
Ootakamoku [-\]: only attack direction of proti seems from h14 direction, but hasnt d7 just made it alot easier for w to reduce the potential that genereates for b?
CarterKane [5d\]: And please come join us in brooklyn house
Pinguschaf [?\]: very hard to judge the excange of j16 - g16
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;B[hf]C[keima2001 [5k?\]: EuroGoTV1 it is a video transmition?
TheClown [2d\]: also thought about it
Blaubaer [5d\]: h14 nice imo
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no video today until local internet is fixed 
Guyome [3d\]: nice follow up at e10
TheClown [2d\]: j14 now
holynec [-\]: not j14
Ootakamoku [-\]: well, actually dont want to play j14 if can avoid it, rather expensive
Archaic [2d\]: how is j16 even remotely affected by d6
Ootakamoku [-\]: since give b perfect shape towards bottom left
Archaic [2d\]: 5ds baffle me
holynec [-\]: k14
TheClown [2d\]: after j14 all ladder good for white
Ootakamoku [-\]: j14 j13 k14 h13 
JEGO [7k\]: i think m16 white or c12 white to attack the corner
TheClown [2d\]: can crosscut  j13
Ootakamoku [-\]: no you cant
rtg65: maybe e10
K5 [1k\]: Still no one like m17? 
Ootakamoku [-\]: well, techincally you can, but in practice it looks like you will end up swimming in a sea of black, with weak w group close by (r14)
TheClown [2d\]: j14, j13 h13
JEGO [7k\]: m16 better?
Archaic [2d\]: d7*
Ootakamoku [-\]: I refuse to belive the j14 and crosscut will ever happen
elmex [6k\]: h18 
rtg65: L16 is ok
Ootakamoku [-\]: maybe w could poke at g17 and ask for local life
Pinguschaf [?\]: that makes the corner very thick
wolokom [4k\]: did burzo win ysterday?
Moriak [-\]: and what if j14 h13 ? black avoid the cross cut and become stronger no ?
elmex [6k\]: yes
Ootakamoku [-\]: the left side starting to look so strong anyways, doesnt seem to do too much damage to w
Muscadet [?\]: g17 testing blacks response
TheClown [2d\]: i j14 here instantaneously
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: main tournament is sun-mon-tue/thu-fri, and mon-tue/thu-fri-sat on 2nd week
elmex [6k\]: wolokom: yes, burzo won yesterday against zhao pei. mostly by points, but zhao resigned after endgame
Pinguschaf [?\]: I would play n16
Ootakamoku [-\]: w will cry if he has to j14 here
Blaubaer [5d\]: hm better not strenghen b left side
wolokom [4k\]: h 14 is a intresting move
rtg65: n16-l16
TheClown [2d\]: black has to h13
Ootakamoku [-\]: blaubaer, you think g17 will be aji keshi?
Ootakamoku [-\]: theclown, no way :)
gogonuts [5d\]: w e10?
Pinguschaf [?\]: of course its keshing aji :)
Blaubaer [5d\]: sthg like that Oota . yes
Ootakamoku [-\]: ok :(
TheClown [2d\]: j14 j13 h13 what do u do
JEGO [7k\]: k14 is the best move i think ?
Ootakamoku [-\]: just feel like topleft becomming so ridiculous strong, poking at it some more doesnt affect it much anymore
gogonuts [5d\]: that cut is overplay
Blaubaer [5d\]: maybe youre richt Oota. :-)
gogonuts [5d\]: how about c16?
Blaubaer [5d\]: right ...
wolokom [4k\]: were should w play simpel m16 ?
Minjhou [-\]: w i15
Zahlman [1k\]: m17
rtg65: c16 now?
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;W[gc]C[gogonuts [5d\]: yeah :-)
Ootakamoku [-\]: :)
Pinguschaf [?\]: hehe
Blaubaer [5d\]: hehe
rtg65: what wrong with your timing :)
wolokom [4k\]: ashi !!!
elmex [6k\]: almost h18
rtg65: /what's
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;B[fc]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: wolokom, m16 problem is that then w has two weak groups close by, and b has all the choices how to attack them
TheClown [2d\]: ok now j14
vicered [5k\]: why W didn't play L17 ? 
gogonuts [5d\]: after this, there is no more c16
elmex [6k\]: h17 now
Pinguschaf [?\]: i think b is quite satisfied here
vicered [5k\]: heu B sorry 
wolokom [4k\]: h 16
Ootakamoku [-\]: gogo, I think c16 was a bit out there to begin with, needed so much preparation for it to work anyways?
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: I'm starting to disloke w's position
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: I mean, more and more
gogonuts [5d\]: h14 was a good move in any case
Blaubaer [5d\]: y
Ootakamoku [-\]: ya
gogonuts [5d\]: probably should not have allowed it ...
TheClown [2d\]: d7 too slow
gogonuts [5d\]: so maybe J14 instead of d7
Blaubaer [5d\]: w h17 and then?
Ootakamoku [-\]: h16 possible too
Ootakamoku [-\]: h16 actually seems more likely to me
H16 [2d\]: to me too 
Badukgirl [?\]: no stream aviable?
SIscurge [5d\]: I don't think so H16 looks strange
rtg65: n16 instead of d17
gogonuts [5d\]: J14 looked a little slack at the time, but compare it to this :-)
JEGO [7k\]: probably white want to settle in the ladder
TheClown [2d\]: it looks awful imo
observ: d7 implies treating j16 lightly, which is exactly contrary to what white seems to be doing
alfi [4k\]:  f16?
Muscadet [?\]: h16 -g15, m17 ?
Ootakamoku [-\]: the aji left behind if h17 ignored isnt too terrifying for b for now, hence b will probably pincer if w h17
Ootakamoku [-\]: but h16 aji is a real pain and harder to ignore, allowing w to get m17
Ootakamoku [-\]: and settling locally seems like a good plan right now, since running will hurt w own positions elsewhere
wolokom [4k\]: f 16 later now selfkilling
MicMac [2d\]: f18 possible?
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;W[if]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: ouch
TheClown [2d\]: yeah
Pinguschaf [?\]: I cant agree with this tsuke
TheClown [2d\]: i agree with it a lot
Blaubaer [5d\]: i dont understand w 
K5 [1k\]: Why not?
Pinguschaf [?\]: there is nothing for w to gain on the right side
Muscadet [?\]: also interesting
Ootakamoku [-\]: I would even like w k14 more than this tsumke
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;B[ig]C[TheClown [2d\]: cut
kt123 [3d\]: it looks like white is planning some kind of cut
Ootakamoku [-\]: even with g17 preparion the cut seem out of the question
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;W[hg]C[Pinguschaf [?\]: lol
TheClown [2d\]: yeah
Muttley [2k\]: ...
Sven84 [1k\]: try again :D
hoiko12 [2k\]: and yet
Blaubaer [5d\]: :-))
hoiko12 [2k\]: a cut
wolokom [4k\]: ah!!!!!!!!!
JEGO [7k\]: so we find j14 posision and cross cut
Blaubaer [5d\]: kgs kibitz is best
gogonuts [5d\]: thats called a "panic cut" in the literature :-)
maciek [3d\]: brave one
Muttley [2k\]: K13
holynec [-\]: g17 is key for this crosscut
holynec [-\]: :\]
JEGO [7k\]: panic room now
GoRoGoRo [8k?\]: It stems from the book: "How to outsmart 7d's"
Muscadet [?\]: al least this gives some pleasure to the kibitz 
Ootakamoku [-\]: I would really have liked to see b expression when w playd this move.
rtg65: k13
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;B[gf]C[TheClown [2d\]: it is kind of standard flow
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;W[jf]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: now what.. going to play k13?
ZenMonk [4k\]: Did Cornel win his game yesterday?
Laman [1d\]: he did
rtg65: it is good for W
Ootakamoku [-\]: j12
alfi [4k\]: j12
Ootakamoku [-\]: w adds a move
rtg65: now he will get e10 after h12
Blaubaer [5d\]: ok b gets thicker and w?
salty [2d\]: not good for white
keima2001 [5k?\]: cornel burzo has 4wins
Pinguschaf [?\]: w gets thicker, too :)
Mysto [?\]: wat competition is this?
Pinguschaf [?\]: but to an useless direction
Chandra [2d\]: euro go congres
Ootakamoku [-\]: ya, w has nice thickness that he can use to attack topright corner
Ootakamoku [-\]: toprigth corner being so weak and all
Mysto [?\]: ah.
Blitzbold [2k\]: b about getting left side on 8th line - and this is good for w?
Muscadet [?\]: center never useless !?
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;B[ih]C[rtg65: e10!
Blaubaer [5d\]: 9th line
Ootakamoku [-\]: kinda sad but w still kinda needs a move on the right
maciek [3d\]: h17
Ootakamoku [-\]: something like b l16 will spoil the day still for w
Minjhou [-\]: h13 mistake?
salty [2d\]: top right corner destroyes k14 value imo
vincentvgo [4k\]: was ist hier denn interessant dran?
wolokom [4k\]: look to his moyo
alfi [4k\]: d11 !
Ootakamoku [-\]: I guess w could play p14 here too
Ootakamoku [-\]: it kinda does the same as adding a move to k14 directly
Blitzbold [2k\]: doesnt matter 8or9... w has still craps on top
Ootakamoku [-\]: but maybe w wont have time, instead playing e10
Mysto [?\]: who beat Ilya?
maciek [3d\]: h17 is a must
locker [1d\]: c12 too deep ?
learngofan [-\]: Jun
Ootakamoku [-\]: the guy who is playing black now beat iliya
Mysto [?\]: ah. lol
alfi [4k\]: i would play d11 no doubt
Mysto [?\]: thnx =)
Blaubaer [5d\]: w needs a move with his group? and then e10 for b enuf?
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;W[kg]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: alfi, d11 is behind the lines, you will get burnt probably
K5 [1k\]: @vin.. Lockt Dir unseres Kibitz nicht an?
JEGO [7k\]: c12 interesting but mus have an additional move
wolokom [4k\]: is  e 11 still posible for w?
rtg65: so e10 for B
Ootakamoku [-\]: wow.. the board just got seriously boring
elmex [6k\]: B+Res soon
elmex [6k\]: haha
Ootakamoku [-\]: h3 e10 l17 seems like big moves all the sudden, unless b can dream about still attacking the w group
Mysto [?\]: well if its typical cornel play... thisll get out of hand here soon
Muscadet [?\]: e11 leaves f11
Pinguschaf [?\]: I must admit the result doesn´t look as bad as expected
mariaaaa: K11
maciek [3d\]: Who is Cornel kibitz here ? Who is Song kibitz ?
Blitzbold [2k\]: e10 or punishing w om top a little more? l17 or so?
Ootakamoku [-\]: b l17 maybe, its kinda sente
orro [1k\]: O13?
Mysto [?\]: never watched jun play lol
Blaubaer [5d\]: hm or q7 for some fun?
Muttley [2k\]: L17 -> tenuki with central move or right moyo development
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 2h30mn main time, 1x60s byo yomi.  Black used 15mn, white used 53mn
Mysto [?\]: not a fan of how cornel plays tho ;)  
Ootakamoku [-\]: all the violent attacks on right side seem off now that w has already kinda paid for settling k14, with a slow-ish move like l13
K5 [1k\]: E 10 looks like it's too focused on the side, not quite tidy. Maye E10½ ?
wolokom [4k\]: l13 what that i don"t understand it
Muttley [2k\]: I say R8
Blaubaer [5d\]: e10 1/2 yes
mariaaaa: K11 looks like intersection of 2 moyo and also keep presure on white
alfi [4k\]: l16
Ootakamoku [-\]: e10 does look like the move w will play regardless what b plays, so playing it reverse sente?
bentw [8k\]: h3
megaschaf [1k\]: is there no live broadcast ?
rtg65: and what You think about... o13?
Muttley [2k\]: currently down due to internet connection problem apparently
maciek [3d\]: g11 for black now?
Pinguschaf [?\]: a jump on l11 from white looks quite big, too
Mysto [?\]: i feel like we are in for a boring game if B just plays a passive more here, so i hope he does something fantastical lol
Ootakamoku [-\]: o13.. it looks like its trying real hard, its rue to the principles that cut off groups but.. just could end up costing points, if w answers with like q12
devasatyam [5k\]: ?
go4go [?\]: it is not easy to attack the L13 group
Zahlman [1k\]: try to lean on q12 or r12 first?
wolokom [4k\]: b 60 w 66 right?
ohlord [2d\]: what about q13?
maciek [3d\]: r12 is an option now?
Cezary [4d\]: against who is mateusz surma playing ?
Ootakamoku [-\]: http://www.egc2012.eu/congress/main-tournaments/open-european-championship/main-5-temporary-pairings-board-1-10
locker [1d\]: black r12 too deep ?
rtg65: r12 will just help W
Mysto [?\]: agreed lol
alfi [4k\]: y
Ootakamoku [-\]: locker, what will you do if w just forces you to capture r14?
go4go [?\]: r12 not too deep, but w happy to give up R14 stone by playing Q12
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;B[ej]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: r14 stone is kinda weak anyways, its depressing attacking 1 weak stone full force
Mysto [?\]: bah. figures lol
go4go [?\]: E10 good
rtg65: my move (first one :P)
elmex [6k\]: e10 seems confident
maciek [3d\]: you peoiple always know the direction, its so annoying to me
go4go [?\]: it removes the aji of H13
maciek [3d\]: why e10 was so obvious?
go4go [?\]: what is quite valuable
Ootakamoku [-\]: maciek, it was the move w wanted, so why not play it as b
Ootakamoku [-\]: and for w it was obvious, for black less so imo
billlin [9d\]: very peaceful..
jnalanko [2k\]: P14?
maciek [3d\]: where would u play billin?
rtg65: if B ahead, why to fight?
Ootakamoku [-\]: w l11 threattens to weake up h13 aji
billlin [9d\]: the same place in this case, but i hoped for a fight too
Ootakamoku [-\]: while preparing the right side
Chandra [2d\]: oh he will start a fight immediately if W starts to close right side
rtg65: l11 now?
maciek [3d\]: this is a small final game, no matter who is ahead i think both should be agressive and try figthing!
beeline [4k\]: small final?
maciek [3d\]: the only two players winning all his games so far 
billlin [9d\]: man this song guy beat youngsam
Stuttgart [4k\]: beeline, the question is: If Jun wins agains Burzo, who will he lose against?
bolbi [-\]: toru imamura won't 4 games too, maciek but he's 4d
beeline [4k\]: i see, thx
bolbi [-\]: :)
SIscurge [5d\]: I think only one who can stop him now is Pal Balogh
CHENZIQING [5d?\]: who?
billlin [9d\]: i dont think so, he already lost 2 right?
SIscurge [5d\]: yeah, but he has good results against korean
billlin [9d\]: i see
Mysto [?\]: someone looking at style rather than score... first in kibitz lol
maciek [3d\]: what is the next white move now?
Stuttgart [4k\]: No streams today?
Ootakamoku [-\]: maybe w feels he needs points, could play m17 to open up aji in topright corner? or maybe p14, it kinda makes s16 work better too?
Susaku [13k\]: I like blacks position atm but white has some nice looking potential
Ootakamoku [-\]: j3 not bad as moves go either?
TheClown [2d\]: b10 perhaps
devasatyam [5k\]: secure your own weak stones first
Mysto [?\]: j3 doesnt seem as important tho does it?
Ootakamoku [-\]: j3 is a bit sente against o3 group
TheClown [2d\]: black b9 would feel anouing
zum [-\]: no way b10
Ootakamoku [-\]: and makes w moves around f9 more interesting
Blitzbold [2k\]: o13, or too thin?
maciek [3d\]: is counting points is important now to choose a next move or white will just looking around for the best move?
billlin [9d\]: somewhere around p14?
zum [-\]: j3 is big but not urgent
Susaku [13k\]: e8 perhaps
locker [1d\]: black doesn t have to look for fights as he is a lot stronger than white, i guess
Ootakamoku [-\]: zum, everything kinda settled, so maybe not a bad timing to play the big move
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: j3 would be too slow ?
Ootakamoku [-\]: hhj, you feel b would tenuki it?
billlin [9d\]: too small
TheClown [2d\]: this b9 thing is quiet big
Neospring [2k\]: g11
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: p14 more important ?
zum [-\]: k14 kinda ugly
Mysto [?\]: im thinking top right
Susaku [13k\]: j3 is good for w but e8 looks more tempting
Mysto [?\]: somewhere lol
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: ok
TheClown [2d\]: a b10 can stop a b9 in sente
zum [-\]: b will profit from attacking j14
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: the 5k in me wants w to play p14 now...
devasatyam [5k\]: m 17
Ootakamoku [-\]: susaku, e8 will never happen, its too close to begin with, move faster
Ootakamoku [-\]: p14 will force b to attack right side violently?
zum [-\]: if e8 b resigns from being insulted
Mysto [?\]: p14 seems iffy to me
abcefg: i would p10 since p14 leaves r10 weak :)
Blaubaer [5d\]: yes euro p14 for me too
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;W[of]C[K5 [1k\]: r10 weak = tempting target to lure B in ;)
zum [-\]: p10 off
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yay!
maciek [3d\]: i feel j11 but completely dont see why is it so good:)
Mysto [?\]: dum dum dummmm
Mysto [?\]: lol
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: p14 seems nice
Blaubaer [5d\]: :-)
maciek [3d\]: l11 is abvoius now?
Ootakamoku [-\]: will b go uberviolent with like q7, or r8, or maybe just a balm move like p8?
maciek [3d\]: obvious?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: seems to help both groups and threaten to grow
mihi [5d\]: L11
CHENZIQING [5d?\]: what's the time for them?
Ootakamoku [-\]: hmm, cant belive in l11, it feels.. wrong
Ootakamoku [-\]: l11 p10 
K5 [1k\]: L11 = junction line move if B doesn't feel like something riskier
XhikashiX [6k\]: can i have the link to the live stream
Ootakamoku [-\]: and l11 isnt excacly preparing anything good for b, if w just ignores it and solidifies right side
TheClown [2d\]: o5
Blaubaer [5d\]: f7 a threat?
TurtleDove [4k\]: amazing. just 10 B stones secure 40+ points in top left. 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i have the next move ... i let you 10s to guess
tuquedenne [4d\]: p10
maciek [3d\]: the more u critisize the l11 Oota the more i believe they play it, dont know why, but its always like that when i critisize some moves:)
Ootakamoku [-\]: q7 r8 p9 are possible choices
Chandra [2d\]: p10 
MrPrince [2k\]: p9
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: almost
XhikashiX [6k\]: o5
tuquedenne [4d\]: Q10 ? :)
Blaubaer [5d\]: f7
Ootakamoku [-\]: hmm, r9 possible too maybe
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;B[pj]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: ah, close enuf
Blaubaer [5d\]: wow
Mysto [?\]: fun ^^
tuquedenne [4d\]: funny
Blaubaer [5d\]: handistyle
TheClown [2d\]: it was 10
maciek [3d\]: Oota so strong
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;W[qk]C[billlin [9d\]: aww that was my second choice..
maciek [3d\]: what was your first one?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: tuquedenne guessed it
XhikashiX [6k\]: can i have the link to the live stream?
billlin [9d\]: p10..
billlin [9d\]: i was thinking about both
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;B[ki]C[locker [1d\]: satisfying development since g17 for white, i think
maciek [3d\]: p10 looks more for humans
maciek [3d\]: wow!
Ootakamoku [-\]: maciek, it depends on the day, I have days when I lose to egf 1kyu, and I have days when I beat egf 4dan, just cant keep play consistant :(
maciek [3d\]: black played both kibitzers startegies...!!!
K5 [1k\]: F7 is interesting, more of a threat after L11
maciek [3d\]: q10 first and then l11:)
Ootakamoku [-\]: well, l11 makes alot more sense now that w is already capped on the right side
Mysto [?\]: lol... what a crowd pleaser =')
Mysto [?\]: now nobody was technically wrong ^^
maciek [3d\]: because white answered a move"i want territory" black trurned to l11?
XuxuMuXu [3d\]: is K11 abusive move?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: now i bet on k11
Ootakamoku [-\]: I would so love to play s14 as b, but.. I now way it can be played, just hate the s16 sente
TheClown [2d\]: these double sentes along edges start to look very big
maciek [3d\]: i can stop thinking about h17 move
SIscurge [5d\]: R9 feels afraid
rtg65: if B get f7...
Muttley [2k\]: both of them?
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;W[ji]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yay!
Ootakamoku [-\]: oh, wow
XuxuMuXu [3d\]: ahhhhh :D
maciek [3d\]: what is a good timing for a h17 move?
Muttley [2k\]: next game :)
Blaubaer [5d\]: looking for a ladderbreak?
rtg65: late endgame
Ootakamoku [-\]: maciek, h17 and m17 kinda miai? so very late
maciek [3d\]: :)
XhikashiX [6k\]: is the live stream up?
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;B[jh]
;W[kh]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: l10
Ootakamoku [-\]: and fight is on
TurtleDove [4k\]: more down than up
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no
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;B[kj]C[billlin [9d\]: dont feel that w will get satisfactory result from this..
maciek [3d\]: l10 looks like the only choice now
Minjhou [-\]: empty triangle power!
Ootakamoku [-\]: w dreaming about h12 escaping?
maciek [3d\]: yeah i feel the same billin
jj [-\]: whos playing
Ootakamoku [-\]: how about w k10 here?
maciek [3d\]: h11?
XuxuMuXu [3d\]: k10 ?
Ootakamoku [-\]: looks a but ugly, but aim at l9 and h12 miai?
Susaku [13k\]: o11?
CHENZIQING [5d?\]: prefer black
Chandra [2d\]: W Cornel Burzo B Jun Hyup Song
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: h12?
locker [1d\]: k9 ?
Susaku [13k\]: maybe n10 even
Ootakamoku [-\]: eurogotv, pulling it out if ever succesfull is kinda big reduection on the left side
XhikashiX [6k\]: j 11?
kostuek [-\]: b10 to take a look
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: maybe j10?
Minjhou [-\]: w h12 to capture J12?
Ootakamoku [-\]: k10 only move the more I think about it
Minjhou [-\]: oh, no
Blaubaer [5d\]: dont know what to do with k11
maciek [3d\]: forgetting maybe
billlin [9d\]: escaping directly is bad
Ootakamoku [-\]: ugly shape, b cant really follow up since h12 threat exists?
Susaku [13k\]: no
Ootakamoku [-\]: how about w h10?
Susaku [13k\]: h12 is not really a threat with the j11 atari
XhikashiX [6k\]: j11? then j9??
maciek [3d\]: what about c14?:)
XhikashiX [6k\]: for white that is
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: if w j10, what can b do?
Ootakamoku [-\]: j10 h12 
TheClown [2d\]: c14 is not a move i think
maciek [3d\]: f10?
Ootakamoku [-\]: and aji is gone
Susaku [13k\]: if w j10b h11 maybe
SIscurge [5d\]: D6 looking troublesome for w.d6 e6 e7 e8 f7 f8 e5 f6 g7 f5 g8 
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;W[jj]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: k10 it is :)
XuxuMuXu [3d\]: yeah :D
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: :/ j10 looked safer for w
Blaubaer [5d\]: hope this wont activate c6 in the end
Ootakamoku [-\]: eurogotv, in a way w shape is bad, and it kills the aji
Ootakamoku [-\]: assuming j10
billlin [9d\]: L9 is good enough
Blaubaer [5d\]: eurogotv j10 isnt that good fighting shape
locker [1d\]: next move h11 for white ?
maciek [3d\]: if l9 is good enough, what is best?
Akari1 [1k\]: k9
billlin [9d\]: K9 is the initial reaction
Ootakamoku [-\]: h11 feels against like spoiling aji
TheClown [2d\]: l9
jj [-\]: best is to win
maciek [3d\]: k9 was my first idea
Ootakamoku [-\]: dont want to remove h13 aji until b forces w to do so
maciek [3d\]: i am pretty sure i would play it if  no time to think
Ootakamoku [-\]: or it can be used to capture the 3 stones
TheClown [2d\]: could be balck in trouble here
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;B[kk]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: w k9
maciek [3d\]: if a lot of time to think...i would realize i am against 7d and resign:)
Ootakamoku [-\]: sente against both sides
Blaubaer [5d\]: rocksolid
TheClown [2d\]: k9 now
ZenMonk [4k\]: is this game being broadcasted?
Ootakamoku [-\]: k9 h12 and w cant double hane anymore
Ootakamoku [-\]: uh..
kostuek [-\]: crowl contest
billlin [9d\]: w is pushing against the wrong side i feel
Ootakamoku [-\]: billin, too late to change strategy now?
billlin [9d\]: yep
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: very bad internet today
Ootakamoku [-\]: maybe w g11?
lior [1d?\]: how can i see this video of this guys????
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;W[hj]C[ZenMonk [4k\]: EuroGo, is this being broadcasted?
Ootakamoku [-\]: h12 k8 is the plan I guess..
SIscurge [5d\]: urgh O.o
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no video today
Ootakamoku [-\]: depressing for w anywqays
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: bad internet
ZenMonk [4k\]: :o
lior [1d?\]: :(
maciek [3d\]: i feel its still possible in some way for white to attack l10 stones
Blaubaer [5d\]: this is better than h11 somehow
maciek [3d\]: starting with m4 move
Ootakamoku [-\]: well, atleast this allows w to play k8, unlike h11
kostuek [-\]: g12 h11 h12 n10 
Blaubaer [5d\]: hm k8?
TheClown [2d\]: h11
Ootakamoku [-\]: maciek m4 n3 possible too if w want to refuse to give the sentes in that area.
Ootakamoku [-\]: er.. b
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;B[jk]C[TheClown [2d\]: guees h12 is best
maciek [3d\]: bamboo!
Blaubaer [5d\]: h11 4 me
billlin [9d\]: terrible result to w
billlin [9d\]: for*
TheClown [2d\]: yeah it is not good
TheClown [2d\]: g10 perhaps mistake
Ootakamoku [-\]: eh..
TheClown [2d\]: should had k11
Ootakamoku [-\]: how can b play that turn
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;W[hi]
;B[hh]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: f11
ZenMonk [4k\]: h8?
globax [3d\]: yes, first
Cezary [4d\]: eurogotv who is mateusz surma playing against in this round ?
Blaubaer [5d\]: y ~ h8 
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;W[fi]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: well, could play safe and play h8 first true
jj [-\]: g12
Ootakamoku [-\]: but this just hurts b
Blaubaer [5d\]: wow greedy
Ootakamoku [-\]: b will oh so regret k9
Cezary [4d\]: is my question really so hard to answer or are both of the transcribers retarted
Chandra [2d\]: e12 
gogonuts [5d\]: since b h14 w has been in a bad mood :-)
shikasta [1d\]: maybe relying on h13 aji
Ootakamoku [-\]: gogo, not anymore for sure
K5 [1k\]: I think F11 not necessarily greed, just signals a refusal to take only 49%
ohlord [2d\]: g8 now?
gogonuts [5d\]: this still looks bad for w, imo
K5 [1k\]: W must try for complications here, else simple loss
Neospring [2k\]: f10
kostuek [-\]: easy to make some clumpy shapes here 
Ootakamoku [-\]: gogo, hmm, to me it seems w just got back into the game properly with the last few moves
celebrir [-\]: @Cezary: I guess for the trancribers who can't leave the board it is hard because he is at least not in the Top 10 as far as I see
TheClown [2d\]: f10
gogonuts [5d\]: w simply couldnt allow b to take it all here, so its a "show me" move
TheClown [2d\]: i think
Ootakamoku [-\]: gogo, but how does b attack this? try to build some miai with pulling b6 out?
Blaubaer [5d\]: for me its too risky
fabric [4k\]: why w didn't play h12 instead of h11 ?
maciek [3d\]: black will use c6 aji
K5 [1k\]: F10 g12?
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;B[fj]
;W[hl]C[gogonuts [5d\]: w L11 was a slight overplay
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;B[fm]C[Cezary [4d\]: celebrir, really cant they
gogonuts [5d\]: kosumi would have been a safer way to hold the lead
jumpinJack [2k\]: @Cezary, Surma does not play on one of the first 10 boards, so nobody is interested
Ootakamoku [-\]: f9 to save the day in an ugly way
gogonuts [5d\]: sry, b L11
ohlord [2d\]: l11 was b move?!
Minjhou [-\]: w g13?
maciek [3d\]: @jumpinJack[2k\] i disagree
nieldaniel [2k\]: @Cezary... obviously the pairings are not online, and insulting the transcribers doesn't help (-: Ask them politely, and maybe they will find out for you during the lunch break.
rtg65: @jumpinJack, and Jesse Savo (4d) & Pierre Audouar (5d) are?
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;W[im]
;B[kn]C[celebrir [-\]: cezary, how should they ? Imagine they leave the board and the players playa ultrafast sequence they can'T recreate ;)
goBum [1k\]: wow cornel on board 1
TheClown [2d\]: black play fast now
nieldaniel [2k\]: @rtg65 they are playing on board 5
orro [1k\]: finally some action...
Cezary [4d\]: but it is annoying to get no  response at all
maciek [3d\]: both chat and board^^
gogonuts [5d\]: but w is quite a bit stronger than me, maybe he could actually judge the fight when he played L11, i cant tell :-)
Cezary [4d\]: and celebrir are you serious just look at how fast are they playing here
Ootakamoku [-\]: ah, right, now f8?
maciek [3d\]: chill out Cezary
Ootakamoku [-\]: j7 fixes the b f9 peep
kostuek [-\]: life is annoying, deal with it
jumpinJack [2k\]: http://www.egc2012.eu/congress/main-tournaments/open-european-championship/main-5-temporary-pairings-board-1-10
maciek [3d\]: haha
Ootakamoku [-\]: tho the f9 still kinda works for b, becuase the shortage of libs b can actually do g11?
TheClown [2d\]: guess white still in trouble
Ootakamoku [-\]: so w f8 loses f11 stone?, but still seems like a good trade
maciek [3d\]: i cant stop laughing when i see Cezary's face after seeing this link :)
TheClown [2d\]: his group not do a lot
Cezary [4d\]: well
Cezary [4d\]: my face hasnt changed much
maciek [3d\]: chcial dobrze:)
IstTengen [3k?\]: 4d up on board 4 and 5. cool
Cezary [4d\]: ja sie trzymam do mojego pierwszego zdania ze sa retardami i o
billlin [9d\]: f8 only option?
Ootakamoku [-\]: whee, two finnish players playing in top 10 boards :)
gooooo [3k?\]: hmm, how does the tournament setup work for getting 7d?
blunderdog: Would love to watch tsurukame vs roln
mthd [-\]: tzw. dałniaki
gooooo [3k?\]: does the winner of EGC get 7d? and is there another final tournament for top europeans?
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;W[gh]
;B[gg]C[maciek [3d\]: white gamble
]
;W[eh]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: oh, lol, didnt want to lofe f11 stone
Ootakamoku [-\]: due to playing f8
Blaubaer [5d\]: y not w f8?
Koffein [-\]: 7d: no. tournament system: http://www.eurogofed.org/egf/ecrules.htm
Susaku [13k\]: w gamble to kill or to reduce?
Zahlman [1k\]: f8 d6 miai I guess?
Backflash [6k\]: oneone
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;B[gk]C[elmex [6k\]: e12 seems painful
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: wow, e12
Koffein [-\]: "After round 7, top Europeans qualify for and play a knockout for the European Championship."
Cezary [4d\]: no kulwa dalniaki 
Cezary [4d\]: : 
maciek [3d\]: white is risking a game here
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: it's.....ballsy, if that word exists
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: what do you think about it billin ?
Ootakamoku [-\]: w shape so horrble for libs, can imagine the ridiculous squeezes that shep will suffer from later on
elmex [6k\]: yay, broadcast is up
elmex [6k\]: EuroGoTV1: thanks :)
maciek [3d\]: and white must d6 now?
K5 [1k\]: but, w still connected as is
gogonuts [5d\]: uh oh, now comes the punishment for w for reaching too far into the honey pot :-)
Ootakamoku [-\]: w g6 would be too sad a move?
orro [1k\]: C12
mthd [-\]: cornel probably will lose because of not raising his collar
jer [6d\]: k8?
Ootakamoku [-\]: how about just continue the attack as w
maciek [3d\]: i hope no punishment, i always love to reach too far
Ootakamoku [-\]: no need to defend, lets just play d12
MicMac [2d\]: c12?
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;W[dn]C[maciek [3d\]: one time, one time!
]
;B[hn]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: high dans confidence in their reading can be so scary
gogonuts [5d\]: h6 is a real blow
Susaku [13k\]: finally video feed is online?
elmex [6k\]: yes
orro [1k\]: C12 now?
Stuttgart [4k\]: Yay Videostream! :)
Susaku [13k\]: belgium vs korea?
K5 [1k\]: B quite a fan of nikken tobi
shikasta [1d\]: d6 really said i want it all o.O
maciek [3d\]: its because they dont read at all:)
Ootakamoku [-\]: c12 doesnt make eyespace, its death if play there
Stuttgart [4k\]: Susaku, Burzo is Romanian
gogonuts [5d\]: d6 activates j8 cut
TheClown [2d\]: l7
TheClown [2d\]: and hopw for the best
gogonuts [5d\]: h6 sry
maciek [3d\]: Shusaku was Romanian too?
Susaku [13k\]: sorry not used to the flags yet XD
MicMac [2d\]: ok thanks ootakamoku
Blaubaer [5d\]: group doesnt look easy to defend
mthd [-\]: belgium lol
Susaku [13k\]: shusaku the 19th honibo was japanese I think
kostuek [-\]: wonder if this going to die
Stuttgart [4k\]: maciek, it is a not very well known fact :)
mthd [-\]: back to school dude
TheClown [2d\]: it looks a little dead
maciek [3d\]: er..
gogonuts [5d\]: thats like saying a pile of dung doesnt smell very good
blunderdog: tell that to a scarab
purun [4k\]: this will be quite the fight
Blaubaer [5d\]: :-)
purun [4k\]: w cant lose here....
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: seems really tough to answer h6
maciek [3d\]: where to escape?!
furr [?\]: it is not a fight, it is a slaughterhouse
viu30h [6k\]: i dont see a way for d6 not being terrible tenuki  can someone explain the thought here?
TheClown [2d\]: if L7 k8 destroys whites shape
donadoni [3k?\]: g7?
Blaubaer [5d\]: b also created a cut at j8
Susaku [13k\]: i like l7
Ootakamoku [-\]: w also has a problem with b j8 aji as soon as b gets a bit of strength
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
emre35 [4d\]: c12 maybe
donadoni [3k?\]: why not e6 instead of d6
Susaku [13k\]: still not a lot of good fighting moves locally
TheClown [2d\]: i think white is dead
Blaubaer [5d\]: me 2
kostuek [-\]: feels like j6 and hope
Ootakamoku [-\]: donadoni, if you are going to capture a stone, do it properly, half way measure are rarely good
fru123sa [7k\]: Tsurukame with some questionable shorts there
maciek [3d\]: i alwqays try to be optimistic, but here, bu white, its really hard to do
donadoni [3k?\]: hmm, ty ootamoku
Susaku [13k\]: if w can cut at f8 successfully d10 aji just waiting to happen
nanotech [2k\]: it would be very different if w played h6 instead of d6...
TheClown [2d\]: whites group have zero eyeshape
cyitcf [2k\]: b j8 iis something
donadoni [3k?\]: *ootakamoku, sory
CzechIt: attack seems severe
Susaku [13k\]: if you have no eyes look for something to kill or find a way to make some.
globax [3d\]: k6?
gogonuts [5d\]: if that group was your kid, you wouldnt want to be the parent
mthd [-\]: and do it in belgium
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;W[in]C[maciek [3d\]: how to look  if u have no eyes?
Blaubaer [5d\]: simply j8?
Susaku [13k\]: maciek simple you grab a sword and carelessly swing it
Ootakamoku [-\]: gogo, hard work taking care of blind kids :(
gogonuts [5d\]: nah, folow it down
Cereales [4k\]: j8
ZenMonk [4k\]: you will look: @)_(@
Ootakamoku [-\]: they might stumble and hurt themselves permanently
devasatyam [5k\]: dead  group h10 v B dead group G 9
Blaubaer [5d\]: hm maybe w gets a semeai after j8
TheClown [2d\]: h5
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;B[io]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: oh wow..
gogonuts [5d\]: h5 looks normal to me
Ootakamoku [-\]: sure didnt see that hane comming
orro [1k\]: must be chuck norris to escape there
purun [4k\]: so fast response
gogonuts [5d\]: bhe had time while b was thinking
viu30h [6k\]: well either white is 100% sure he can get out
viu30h [6k\]: or d6 makes no sense
gogonuts [5d\]: but it was still very fast for such a move
Ootakamoku [-\]: well, its kinda L&D already, so both have probably already read out alot of variations on how it ends up dead/alive
K5 [1k\]: Handling J8 still looks urgent to me. H7??
purun [4k\]: i see
ZenMonk [4k\]: yea..
kostuek [-\]: g6?
ZenMonk [4k\]: why didn't W run out instead of d6
donadoni [3k?\]: c12 now?
purun [4k\]: tough spot for w
Ootakamoku [-\]: h7 so painfull an exchange to make before you are certain you need it
Cereales [4k\]: because W love fighting
gogonuts [5d\]: because after b g9 he didnt want to see b d6 :-)
maciek [3d\]: d6 was must
K5 [1k\]: @OOt - have you an alternative that handles J8?
maciek [3d\]: escaping and lose a lot by points was not a good idea
TheClown [2d\]: h5 but it not work
maciek [3d\]: white position is horrible now, but still have chances to win if black make a mistake
Ootakamoku [-\]: maciek, u sure f8 instead of g12 wouldnt be enough? trade f11 stone for f7 stone?
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;W[gm]C[Higanbana [?\]: black doesn't seem to have anything that can be attacked
maciek [3d\]: Oota never ask me i am sure about go :)
kostuek [-\]: oh, nice
maciek [3d\]: my ansewr always is: not i am not
ZenMonk [4k\]: or maybe e12 is the mistae..
ZenMonk [4k\]: mistake*
emre35 [4d\]: e12 was very big
ZenMonk [4k\]: too greedy, should of ran, like Hussein Bolt
ZenMonk [4k\]: yea but what if die? 
KCN [1k\]: J8 looks bad
maciek [3d\]: i see the problem for black!
maciek [3d\]: its never easy to win the won game!:)
Ootakamoku [-\]: actually, tried playing out f8 instead of g12 and sure is a sad outcome for w, gets a gote dango as a prize
Ootakamoku [-\]: in addition to losing f11 ofcourtse
Ootakamoku [-\]: and then b gets to use f7 still for aji, reducing the h5 area to nothing
mthd [-\]: typical go player approached
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
Susaku [13k\]: j8 h9 g6 f6 h5 f8 maybe?
TurtleDove [4k\]: yay, pictures !
ZenMonk [4k\]: if H had h5 instead of E12, even maybe?
Ootakamoku [-\]: g6 f6 is the plan here?
ZenMonk [4k\]: W had h5*
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;B[gn]C[nanotech [2k\]: g8?
locker [1d\]: if white survives this, he has good prospects to win the game ?
Ootakamoku [-\]: I like g6 more than g8
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;W[fn]C[cyitcf [2k\]: now fighting
zum [-\]: now?
maciek [3d\]: if white kills e10, yes a very good propects
ZenMonk [4k\]: I wonder what white plans.. hmm
zum [-\]: looks kinda over
gogonuts [5d\]: b j5 did look fishy to me - this is hellishly complicated now, while a b nobi at h5 would have assured b of a very fine position
TheClown [2d\]: black can capture half white group for sure now
KCN [1k\]: not much fight, black lost 2 stones
globax [3d\]: h9
Ootakamoku [-\]: theclown, gets captured himself in the process too
ZenMonk [4k\]: yes j5 too cramped, making bad shape
Ootakamoku [-\]: j5 is just insisting on killing, refusing to compromise
Ootakamoku [-\]: no other problem with it
Ootakamoku [-\]: if the kill now fails its a horrible result
golife4TGA [2d\]: easy fight for w&b.. b has too much weak point..and b can escape easily
Susaku [13k\]: f8 seems like a good choice to avoid bad stuff
Laman [1d\]: perhaps black wanted to make it more challenging for himself
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;B[fo]C[K5 [1k\]: I think the detractors of e6 instead of d6 may be allowed to recant at this point
TheClown [2d\]: perhaps it is not that clear
Ootakamoku [-\]: could somehow explain how this move works?
Backflash [6k\]: i don't like to say this, but ko?
ZenMonk [4k\]: what that the guy's hair or a towel? O,o
Ootakamoku [-\]: looks like there is no way b can win this fight
maciek [3d\]: ko
daniug [2d\]: forza burzo:)!
maciek [3d\]: is it a ko?!:)
Ootakamoku [-\]: but I dont even see the ko.. :(
Susaku [13k\]: f8 e6 e8 g8 h5 g5 h4 maybe?
Turnipsi [1d\]: at least
Ootakamoku [-\]: j8 aji practically irrelevant now, since j7 stones not interesting
zum [-\]: holy cow, 13k read 6 moves?
cyitcf [2k\]: W can connect
tinca [-\]: no need to ko, catch all the B's stones on the left
ionut10 [19k?\]: f8 g8
Ootakamoku [-\]: if w just extneds, b can only cut in gote with like f8 style move
Ootakamoku [-\]: and if b cuts in gote, to prevent w from connecting, w gets move like d12
zum [-\]: d11
Jigong [2k\]: E6
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;W[en]C[ZenMonk [4k\]: im tripping out too zum :P
zum [-\]: d11 instead of d12, Oo
cyitcf [2k\]: w f8 is gote
Ootakamoku [-\]: zum, ya, I guess
ZenMonk [4k\]: e6!?
TheClown [2d\]: h9
ZenMonk [4k\]: what is White planning?
Ootakamoku [-\]: didnt concearn myself too much with what the excact move there, but it seems like a fight w cannot lose
cyitcf [2k\]: starting fight?
ZenMonk [4k\]: what is he trying to kill though?
Jigong [2k\]: F8
emre35 [4d\]: winter is coming
Ootakamoku [-\]: and how sad would it be for b to bail out with c12 now
locker [1d\]: this just enough for white, no ?
kostuek [-\]: k5 i guess
zum [-\]: w starts to look good
Jigong [2k\]: F8
K5 [1k\]: j7 stones important as regards validity of h5 cut
KCN [1k\]: B was over agressive
TheClown [2d\]: f8 is ok
Ootakamoku [-\]: h7.. seriously? did he just consider h7?
Minjhou [-\]: F8 seems a must
devasatyam [5k\]: sooner or later c 10 better head north
Jigong [2k\]: It is
ZenMonk [4k\]: what if black ignore?
gogonuts [5d\]: there is a very famous old go problem called "the bait captures the fish" ...
Ootakamoku [-\]: b j8 played
ZenMonk [4k\]: plays h3 instead
zum [-\]: f8 not the way out
Ootakamoku [-\]: scribe behind the times
golife4TGA [2d\]: c12 for w d12 for b. it is big and must.there is no fight
Blaubaer [5d\]: f8 gives h7 to connect
Cereales [4k\]: G7 very strong move !
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B1.50  W 0.53 left
Ootakamoku [-\]: w f8 now
megaschaf [1k\]: j8 ?
Ootakamoku [-\]: eurogotv, you havent added latest b move
Ootakamoku [-\]: at j8
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;B[il]C[ZenMonk [4k\]: well if white F8,, then can't White just g8, then h7?
globax [3d\]: h9 was enough to cut
Turnipsi [1d\]: why this? now f8 won't be sente...
Ootakamoku [-\]: f8 h9 j9 g8 for fancy cut for b
Ootakamoku [-\]: so w cannot play f8
Mukti [4d\]: W looks dead to me...
Mukti [4d\]: H9-H7-G8-F8...
golife4TGA [2d\]: if b play f8 after w j9, very risky
zum [-\]: g9?
Turnipsi [1d\]: white f8 and c12 miai
golife4TGA [2d\]: h9 sorry
Ootakamoku [-\]: j9 k8 f8 g8 for the cut that is.. hence this j8 kills w?
cyitcf [2k\]: W d11?
globax [3d\]: h9-j9-h7-g8-e8atari
globax [3d\]: then k5 over
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: white has 51mn left, black 1h50mn
Mipaline [4k\]: w have to kill c10 group...
Ootakamoku [-\]: w h9 here
hjeksdhf [5d\]: are they having lunch tody?
Ootakamoku [-\]: and then fight starts with d11
mthd [-\]: wow Mipaline
elmex [6k\]: h9
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;W[hk]C[TheClown [2d\]: h9 and hope to kill or seki c10
mthd [-\]: or should I call you Sherlock
]
;B[hm]C[Mukti [4d\]: Still dead.
]
;W[gl]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: b not excacly alive either
]
;B[dh]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: b bailed out
ZenMonk [4k\]: :O
golife4TGA [2d\]: yea :) f8 d12 miai
elmex [6k\]: wuwuw
CzechIt: b cashed in
Mukti [4d\]: Pity, I was hoping for a fun semeai :-)
globax [3d\]: that looks quite wise
cyitcf [2k\]: b good deal
Jigong [2k\]: Will W fight ?
hjeksdhf [5d\]: tasty tasty cash
Ootakamoku [-\]: w wont fight imo
Ootakamoku [-\]: b will have to play another gote move to prevent w d13 etc
Ootakamoku [-\]: after w connects
golife4TGA [2d\]: very risky semeai
erna [7k\]: d13?
ZenMonk [4k\]: why not f8?
ZenMonk [4k\]: for black, instead of d12
Ootakamoku [-\]: zenmonk, because b dies when w attacks
CzechIt: b stays ahead in points and with sente
ZenMonk [4k\]: hmm
Blaubaer [5d\]: maybe too risky monk
KCN [1k\]: b die faster
golife4TGA [2d\]: wht not f8? becouse cornel good fighter:)
elmex [6k\]: ( bf8, w h5 and maybe capture h6 )
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: f8 and be happy?
Turnipsi [1d\]: f8 -> c12 and risky fight, now big territory in sente
Minjhou [-\]: is F8 big enought?
Ootakamoku [-\]: f8 d13 s16 
hjeksdhf [5d\]: f8 and be grudglingly alive
mthd [-\]: oh yeah my favorite go player again 
ZenMonk [4k\]: yea true..
KurataSan [1d\]: Euro
Susaku [13k\]: f9 looks good
Blaubaer [5d\]: b gained a lot around j5
KurataSan [1d\]: Cornel won last game?
hjeksdhf [5d\]: cornel is 4-0
Ootakamoku [-\]: turnipsi, it looks a bit like gote tho, since b still needs to add d13 after w connects out
Akari1 [1k\]: f8 is almost resign
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;W[fl]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: oh, maybe not
erna [7k\]: d13 = fighting
Akari1 [1k\]: over
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;B[ph]C[billlin [9d\]: woa b so thick after 10 moves o.o
Cereales [4k\]: d13 dont work
Ootakamoku [-\]: I bet w regrets not poking at d11 at any time during the fight
Turnipsi [1d\]: but she didn't oota :-)
hjeksdhf [5d\]: any chance for w billin?
ZenMonk [4k\]: is that a good thing billlin?
Susaku [13k\]: their both guys no she's in the game
koticgood [2k\]: is someone playing the harmonica? lol
TurtleDove [4k\]: W e14
billlin [9d\]: hard for w now since b is so thick
megaschaf [1k\]: looks like black ahead to me
Ootakamoku [-\]: w d13?
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;W[dg]C[erna [7k\]: yes, as predicted
Ootakamoku [-\]: well, b kinda skipped on a move there to get q12, only fair he gets punnished a bit for it.
devasatyam [5k\]: go Cornel  loves that fighting spirit
billlin [9d\]: cut?
Jigong [2k\]: C3
hjeksdhf [5d\]: c12 seems possible too
billlin [9d\]: yea
Turnipsi [1d\]: n14
Susaku [13k\]: c13 next
TheClown [2d\]: c12 would be standard
ZenMonk [4k\]: e13
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;B[eg]C[golife4TGA [2d\]: this is not for w it is very big
billlin [9d\]: haha
hjeksdhf [5d\]: hoho
ZenMonk [4k\]: as predicted @)_(@
Ootakamoku [-\]: wouldnt c12 give w h17 in sente later on?
golife4TGA [2d\]: now fight:))
Susaku [13k\]: d11 next or is there more?
KCN [1k\]: this is to much
essential [3k\]: black lost a bit of ground in the last 60 moves
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;W[cd]C[ZenMonk [4k\]: lol that's like the whole game :P
billlin [9d\]: we can try c16... doubt that will work tho
TheClown [2d\]: wow
Cereales [4k\]: WOW
billlin [9d\]: o.o
billlin [9d\]: just when i typed it
koticgood [2k\]: wheeeee
elmex [6k\]: lol
Cereales [4k\]: This game is too funny
billlin [9d\]: ...
TurtleDove [4k\]: woohoo, go Cornel
megaschaf [1k\]: go cornel
maciek [3d\]: yeah
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: cornel style ^^
K5 [1k\]: White's not go a lot to lose there
ionut10 [19k?\]: go cornel
cyitcf [2k\]: unpredictable but seems good
megaschaf [1k\]: jun hyup is thinking *what the heck ...*
tinca [-\]: go crnel into the corner
viu30h [6k\]: cornel suddenly playing all these creative moves
viu30h [6k\]: i remember that weird elephant eye fight in the silt game
Ootakamoku [-\]: this move is scary
tinca [-\]: was en elephant watching?
koticgood [2k\]: is that guy related to cornel? kinda look alike
KCN [1k\]: he could easily took 3 stones
globax [3d\]: b14?
cyitcf [2k\]: B d15?
Minjhou [-\]: as realated to Cornel as he is him!
CzechIt: is b an insei or something?
gogonuts [5d\]: b is still better, but J5 got refuted
Laman [1d\]: koticgood: black? i dont think so
SIscurge [5d\]: b14 interessting
koticgood [2k\]: no, the guy that was watching, he just left
globax [3d\]: does b14 kill the corner ?
Susaku [13k\]: d15?
Minjhou [-\]: oh
no1herE [2d?\]: c17 
Susaku [13k\]: b15 d15 d16 any of these really
gogonuts [5d\]: classic answer at b16?
blunderdog: ok, now I understand the part about questionable shorts
nyx [7k\]: that denim should be illegal
erna [7k\]: Does w have a kgs nick?
megaschaf [1k\]: cornel ?
ZenMonk [4k\]: ^
sn9 [1k\]: C16 what for?
gogonuts [5d\]: sure
Minjhou [-\]: C16... D11 seems easy, or Cornel is greedy?
gogonuts [5d\]: sry, wrong window
no1herE [2d?\]: does b 
no1herE [2d?\]: play at kgs?
Susaku [13k\]: spectators, this game is boring lets watch the other one over here. Bored lets peek at other for a sec... even more boring.
LaicepS [3k\]: i think w want to use the aji of d13
erna [7k\]: ?
Cereales [4k\]: B E3
Cereales [4k\]: lol
TurtleDove [4k\]: erna, W is Cornel on KGS
sn9 [1k\]: C16 sakata move?
erna [7k\]: I know. sorry, I meant b :)
TheClown [2d\]: c17
TheClown [2d\]: not sure white can do much
Ootakamoku [-\]: this is one of those board situationw here I would want to resign, regardless if I was playing black or white.
erna [7k\]: ^^
maciek [3d\]: me too Oota:)
Turnipsi [1d\]: d15?
sn9 [1k\]: blue like a yokohama
lior [1d?\]: d15 is the best isnt it?
LaicepS [3k\]: this is very dangerous for black
Susaku [13k\]: haha, w pointed at e14 when he sat back down
Ootakamoku [-\]: w could still just play d11 c12 c11 
lupis [3d\]: since we heard stones being put away in the background I gues the game on board two is now over? any notion on the result EuroGoTV1?
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;B[df]
;W[cg]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: e10 looks like they are about to die
sn9 [1k\]: nearly 400 ppl
koticgood [2k\]: do you guys read things out when you watch? i cant even read 2 moves ahead so i dont even try =p
Ootakamoku [-\]: or w lives in corner in ko?
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;B[ch]C[viu30h [6k\]: matters on what it is
viu30h [6k\]: here i dont even wanna start xD
koticgood [2k\]: i cant picture what the board looks like with more than 1 extra stone on it, so i cant read =p
Ootakamoku [-\]: w better make c16 work now, kinda big loss if it now dies
maciek [3d\]: white's persistence is amazing
Ootakamoku [-\]: like 20 points lost or something
]
;W[ef]
;B[fg]C[Susaku [13k\]: d15 now?
kostuek [-\]: you need more tsumego and cat video on yt
rtg65: d15 c14 b13 
Susaku [13k\]: or is atari from behind bad for w?
hjeksdhf [5d\]: w could end up collapsing here it seems
Ootakamoku [-\]: w d16?
Cereales [4k\]: did W read ?
Jigong [2k\]: W resigns
maciek [3d\]: b15?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: c14 d15 b15 d16 b17 ?
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;W[de]C[SIscurge [5d\]: yup
rtg65: b13?
Susaku [13k\]: i was right
CzechIt: did w resign?
Susaku [13k\]: f14 next?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no
SIscurge [5d\]: but black can empty triange
gogonuts [5d\]: big w life here
Ootakamoku [-\]: well, w life here is huge.. if thereis life
kostuek [-\]: gonna live in the corner
Ootakamoku [-\]: still cant see it tho
Nils007 [1k\]: b13 
CzechIt: ko
Susaku [13k\]: f14 e15 d16 c14 b15 maybe
Damasippus [7k?\]: Looks like ko
gogonuts [5d\]: if c14 for b13 its certain good life
TheClown [2d\]: hmmm this is dangerous for black
Siasio [4d\]: c14 b13 b15 
pacpenguin [3k\]: hmm
Susaku [13k\]: c14 maybe?
SIscurge [5d\]: how gogo?
SIscurge [5d\]: c14 b13 b15 
gogonuts [5d\]: b13 is bs only chance ...
Susaku [13k\]: c14 b13 e15 
rtg65: c14 b13 b15 b16 
TheClown [2d\]: look like white lives
Ootakamoku [-\]: c14 b16 is the plan?
gogonuts [5d\]: but can that work?
Susaku [13k\]: eww
koticgood [2k\]: why cant b just b13?
TheClown [2d\]: b13
Bauer [1k\]: w really clever
Ootakamoku [-\]: c14 b13 and then squeeze
TheClown [2d\]: i think is the move
rtg65: b15!
gogonuts [5d\]: if b c14 w b13 lives royally
gogonuts [5d\]: so only b b13 might kill
koticgood [2k\]: b13 c14 b15 b14 a14 doesnt work for w, does he have to go live in corner?
CzechIt: nice tesujis
Ootakamoku [-\]: b13 c14 b15 
megaschaf [1k\]: are the results of the tournament online somwhere on eurogotv ?
cyitcf [2k\]: b has f12
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;W[bg]C[Susaku [13k\]: c14 b13 e15 not completely alive for white double atari looks nice
Ootakamoku [-\]: and instant life
Ootakamoku [-\]: wow..
gogonuts [5d\]: big life
Ootakamoku [-\]: w leading big now
Cereales [4k\]: 16 ?
elmex [6k\]: megaschaf: http://www.egc2012.eu/congress/main-tournaments/open-european-championship/results-main-tournament-round-4
megaschaf [1k\]: cool
megaschaf [1k\]: go corrrnel
megaschaf [1k\]: c16 powwa
Bauer [1k\]: i preffered b15
gogonuts [5d\]: decided he cant kill, plus he still can win on points :-)
Jigong [2k\]: B15
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: what can w answer to b15
Jigong [2k\]: ?
Minjhou [-\]: C16, D15, E14 sacrifice?
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: wait...
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;B[be]C[Susaku [13k\]: now time for e11?
CzechIt: wow
Ootakamoku [-\]: this doesnt really change it
TheClown [2d\]: hmmmoh b15
gogonuts [5d\]: your right, didnt see that
cyitcf [2k\]: b win?
hjeksdhf [5d\]: changes it a lot no?
Ootakamoku [-\]: w can play d16 here?
Jigong [2k\]: Wresigns
gogonuts [5d\]: must
Jigong [2k\]: No hope
Turnipsi [1d\]: d16 e15 d15?
gogonuts [5d\]: d16 has hope
gogonuts [5d\]: b16 clearly fails
Ootakamoku [-\]: d16 e15 e16 
Ranchan [-\]: can white connect if black later plays n14 ?
December [4d\]: rly?
Ootakamoku [-\]: and g17 comes to the rescue
Turnipsi [1d\]: e16 *
Jigong [2k\]: d16 then b16
no1herE [2d?\]: d16 b16 
Gr3e [-\]: les gars a chaque coup ils changent d'avis ... blanc a aucune chance, noir a aucune chance ... mais taisez vous donc
Ootakamoku [-\]: wut..
no1herE [2d?\]: блядские французы
tinca [-\]: go is all about aji
Ootakamoku [-\]: hisnt the shape in the corner dead now?
Siasio [4d\]: biały zginie
Ootakamoku [-\]: how can w play b16?!?!
koticgood [2k\]: cornel play b16
megaschaf [1k\]: semeai ?
Jigong [2k\]: d16 B16, W connects : C17. No hope for W
cyitcf [2k\]: W nothing gain the corner 
Anatal [5k\]: и не говори
devasatyam [5k\]: can they put the flags on the far side of the players?
Ootakamoku [-\]: after w squeeze and gets libs in sente from corner, w can attack c12
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(;W[dd]C[maciek [3d\]: ati love the way Cornel is playing, noone can say he didnt tried everything to win
GocchiSama [1d\]: white is dead meat
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;W[bd]C[TheClown [2d\]: white looks dead
SIscurge [5d\]: What?
pelle [4d\]: wrong order Euro
nyx [7k\]: wasnt play in that order
Ootakamoku [-\]: oh.. right.. c12 still might die
megaschaf [1k\]: corner looks alive
Susaku [13k\]: b12 before capture cmon XD
cyitcf [2k\]:  b c18
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;B[ee]
;W[dd]C[nyx [7k\]: (you cant take that picture old man)
koticgood [2k\]: this is the guy i was asking if related to cornel btw, thought they looked a bit alike
Namaskar [1d\]: @nyz  :-)
LaicepS [3k\]: this is so dangerous for black
Ranchan [-\]: read cornel read!
rtg65: it is?
Backflash [6k\]: ..
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;B[ed]C[Herakut [3k\]: link for livestream anyone?
koticgood [2k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Syu [1k\]: take?
Laman [1d\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Cereales [4k\]: cornel takes corner !
Herakut [3k\]: thx
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: a15 f14 b14 e14 c18 ?
Susaku [13k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2
Ootakamoku [-\]: cereales, w cant live in corner
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;W[ae]
;B[ff]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: not possible to construct eyeshape there
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;W[bf]
;B[ef]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: have to try to kill c12
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yay!
LaicepS [3k\]: that's what i read
Susaku [13k\]: w is now alive
hjeksdhf [5d\]: looks like gg coming up to me
LaicepS [3k\]: no, he is not
K5 [1k\]: Difficult considering F12 aji
shhh: lol
megaschaf [1k\]: oh yeah
maciek [3d\]: semedori plan?
LaicepS [3k\]: whis is dead right now
SIscurge [5d\]: looks hopelss ://
LaicepS [3k\]: 1 eye
Ranchan [-\]: e11 clearly better than f12 
LaicepS [3k\]: and b12 doesn't work :/
Susaku [13k\]: b12 b17  for w makes 2
viu30h [6k\]: whose the cornel clone?
Ootakamoku [-\]: w can play moves in corner in sente to increase libs
LaicepS [3k\]: no, make 0
Ootakamoku [-\]: then play b11 in sente again
Ootakamoku [-\]: and then get to e11
koticgood [2k\]: surely that guy is related to cornel XD
megaschaf [1k\]: white dead
sn9 [1k\]: giving death in a beauty
gogonuts [5d\]: w might get a semeai, but not one he can win
hjeksdhf [5d\]: he doesnt have a lot of sente to increase libs though
megaschaf [1k\]: e10 group always dead with b f12
K5 [1k\]: OK, what does W have in the corner in sente?
Ranchan [-\]: the other is european and other asian.... I dont see how they look the same
Bauer [1k\]: B12
pelle [4d\]: tenuki / resign
hjeksdhf [5d\]: if not a tournie i would say resign
Needless [4d\]: sadly I think w resign here
Syu [1k\]: when in doubt, escape!
megaschaf [1k\]: i think cornel resign
Anatal [5k\]: e11 
gogonuts [5d\]: if tournie, also resign :-)
keima2001 [5k?\]: b18
Ootakamoku [-\]: hmm, fails, because of a14 cuts etc..
LaicepS [3k\]: thoooomaaas
Damasippus [7k?\]: At some point c17 for w must surely have been better than this
Ootakamoku [-\]: ya, w will resign before next move
Ranchan [-\]: what happens if both resign at the same time?
Needless [4d\]: I don't see any reasonable way for w to make a comeback from here
ZenMonk [4k\]: KGS will laugh like crazy
LaicepS [3k\]: you can't resign on the other turn i think
quickloss [3d\]: C17 now may work
RinniR [1k\]: c18 
Susaku [13k\]: b12 b11 d11 c11 d10 d9 e11 f12 g11 ?
BrianH [10k\]: Black is good?
quickloss [3d\]: sorry, C18
viu30h [6k\]: polite way to resign is just starting to take the stones from the board right?
LaicepS [3k\]: c18 doesn't work
Needless [4d\]: c18 hopeless
Jigong [2k\]: C17 is not a gain of liberties
Jigong [2k\]: W is too short
Ranchan [-\]: I always play to illegal spot and lose by breaking the rules
RinniR [1k\]: c18 and then e11 
Susaku [13k\]: viu30h that is never a polite way
gogonuts [5d\]: sure you can - it sjust usually avoided, becuase making a move, then resigning looks even worse than a normal loss
erna [7k\]: I would try c18 too.....
Jigong [2k\]: Should resign now
EvroGoTv1: W resigns
BrianH [10k\]: c17
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: viu: it is to place 2 stones on the board in a very clear way
gogonuts [5d\]: thx
Siasio [4d\]: EvroGoTv1: get a [-\] first
Ootakamoku [-\]: couting points to determine if resign or not
erna [7k\]: thx
GocchiSama [1d\]: another troll...
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: meaning ou'd need 2 moves to win
Ootakamoku [-\]: and will resign in a few seconds
keima2001 [5k?\]: a10
Jigong [2k\]: Done
kostuek [-\]: try e18^^
Ranchan [-\]: the other way to resign is wipe the board out of stones
Syu [1k\]: thx for xcribing it eurogotv
Ranchan [-\]: I did that once
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: my pleasure ^^
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it's not over
Ootakamoku [-\]: ranchan, the way to resign is to flip the board and send all stones flying
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: evroGoTV is not euroGoTV
purun [4k\]: throw the board upside down is way cooler
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: oh
Turnipsi [1d\]: pushing the table over is the polite way to resign
Syu [1k\]: ic, got trolled there
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w  resigns
gnarf [1k\]: res
Susaku [13k\]: white resigned
December [4d\]: resigned
December [4d\]: haha
purun [4k\]: so early....
gnarf [1k\]: Thx eurogotv
BrianH [10k\]: whhite resign
ILLCoyote1 [?\]: very interesting game
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live commentary between them
ikizukuri [1k\]: tx
purun [4k\]: thx eurogotv
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
KCN [1k\]: to much gambling
Jigong [2k\]: Is it done ?
TurtleDove [4k\]: yes
Jigong [2k\]: bye
Ranchan [-\]: they seem to be reviewing the game
Ootakamoku [-\]: corner regets not playing j14
Ootakamoku [-\]: instad of d7
hjeksdhf [5d\]: korea >> europe
jo0jio: realy?
maciek [3d\]: lets play football!
Syu [1k\]: so.. who will be song's opponent next?
erna [7k\]: or chess
kostuek [-\]: or starcraft... oh, wait
Susaku [13k\]: their still doing stuff on the boards btw
Syu [1k\]: the other players with 5 points too? or by sosos?
maciek [3d\]: lol
Moin9 [1k\]: ohh let me guess white resins?
Moin9 [1k\]: resigns*
DiPerson [5k\]: w die ?
koticgood [2k\]: yeah if you had a time machine u could guess that
cucurigu [3k\]: c18?
koticgood [2k\]: this guy loves cornels shoulder
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it was pal balogh
Susaku [13k\]: camera went off air
Susaku [13k\]: =/
koticgood [2k\]: just u, refresh ur page
Susaku [13k\]: i wonder why it does that
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i'll zoom on debarre vs yougsam
shhh: is that woman in red stalking Cornel?
Susaku [13k\]: maybe
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: That's a guy.
shhh: opps 
cucurigu [3k\]: is the game over?
shhh: yes
Syu [1k\]: korondo! btw b+r
cucurigu [3k\]: b+R?
Susaku [13k\]: move the camera sharks!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i'll show this board position
globax [3d\]: thx egtv1
Susaku [13k\]: eww...
Susaku [13k\]: board two looks weird
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