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RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[EGC2012 MAIN round 5 board 2]PW[Ondrej Silt]PB[Lukas Kramer]WR[6d]BR[5d]DT[2012-07-27]PC[Bonn, Germany]US[Laura Avram]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: good morning :)
hermitek [5k?\]: Hello
mate105 [3d\]: morning
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;W[dp]
;B[qp]C[dentist [2d?\]: tach
Timot97 [5k\]: hello^^
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;W[dd]
;B[fq]C[JEGO [7k\]: good morning
O3epo: eurogotv Video camera work?
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;W[hq]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: go miao !
Uberdude [4d?\]: p3 now
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: at the moment there is no stream :(
Vutopan [4d\]: f5
JEGO [7k\]: O-o is it your internet connnection?$
Sakeus [10k\]: no donation :....
Sakeus [10k\]: :D
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I think so, I hope soon it will be working
JEGO [7k\]: i will install you optic fiber in the next eurogo ^^
Sakeus [10k\]: btw its working :D
sagesse [-\]: what about the results of 3 and 4 rounds? cant see them on the site
bolbi [-\]: http://www.egc2012.eu/congress/main-tournaments/open-european-championship/results-main-tournament-round-4
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: ah yes :D it's working
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I just noticed that it was written "offline" and imagined it didn't work
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: sorry
EuroGoTV2 [-\]:   Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2 
Pulcik [-\]: God bless Lukas... Mano's punishment will befall you!;)
oonicks [?\]: funny how this is sort of an elementary fuseki question
Sakeus [10k\]: is stream lagging 
Sakeus [10k\]: ?
SImamutik [2d\]: hi, Laura! :)
mooooo [6k\]: wow lukkas auf brett 2
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: hey :)
SImamutik [2d\]: how is that you don´t play but transmit?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: coming here was a last minute decision and since I am here just until sunday I decided not to play :)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: but I played pairgo 
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;W[do]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: the internet is lagging
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;W[oq]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: so I am a bit slower than the actual game, sorry :/
SImamutik [2d\]: ah, ok, I hope you enjoy yourself a lot! ;)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: :)
gogonuts [5d\]: nice to see lukas at board 2 :-)
SIscurge [5d\]: Yeah he beat Motoki, very impressive
gogonuts [5d\]: but i dont agree with c3
gogonuts [5d\]: p3 is nice for w
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;B[po]C[gogonuts [5d\]: so b prob should have taken it himnself instead of c3
gogonuts [5d\]: q5 was almost forced :-)
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;W[mp]C[oonicks [?\]: c3 sort of seems out of the question there, but tactic considerations prevailed over strategic ones:)
gogonuts [5d\]: ask at f17 now?
oonicks [?\]: i thought k3 suited, but sometimes people play h4, i was wondering about that
Syu [1k\]: miao~
Laman [1d\]: C3 is possible, though i wouldn't prefer it either
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;B[qj]C[mooooo [6k\]: w attack at o17 now?
oonicks [?\]: i like c9
oonicks [?\]: but perhaps it is taking (way) to much risk
lucifer3 [2k\]: r10 weird for me,  why not to attack at left top corner
Laman [1d\]: fun fact: the only pro game (in my db) matching the position at move 18 continued with 19 at F17 and then repeating the pincer joseki from the lower side
holynec [-\]: i like r2
mooooo [6k\]: i say there are too many possibilities to predict the next move unless you are milan or something
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;W[nc]C[Banaan [1k\]: or me
Banaan [1k\]: i predicted this
lucifer3 [2k\]: r2 is too unvaluable for now
mooooo [6k\]: no i did
oonicks [?\]: everyone did, we were just wondering if we could think of something else:)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yesterday the egf meeting took place here, I think
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: and probably they decided where the congress in 2016 or smth takes place
oonicks [?\]: the disadvantage of it is the left now seems very small for w and the top will be invaded
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;B[pf]C[Banaan [1k\]: 2016 is already known
Banaan [1k\]: the location
Banaan [1k\]: its on senseis
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: then 2017 :D
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I will ask
Banaan [1k\]: :P
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;W[pb]C[Muscadet [?\]: n6 is big for both
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: where is it in 2016?
Banaan [1k\]: erm
Banaan [1k\]: not sure :p
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;B[qc]
;W[kc]C[Banaan [1k\]: but i think i saw a thing on senseis for at least 4 years
Banaan [1k\]: could be wrong though
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;B[cf]C[dentist [2d?\]: 2016 cologne? ^^
Banaan [1k\]: because i cant find it now
Laman [1d\]: i see locations only up to 2015 on senseis
Sakeus [10k\]: 2013,2014 are?
Banaan [1k\]: poland, czech rep
dentist [2d?\]: 4027
Banaan [1k\]: i think
Sakeus [10k\]: 2015 is czech i think
Laman [1d\]: Olsztyn, Poland; Sibiu, Romania
MaxMakinen [1k\]: Russia won the bet for the congress, over Spain/Madrid
Banaan [1k\]: oh, romania
Laman [1d\]: 2015 Liberec, Czechia
MaxMakinen [1k\]: so 2016 russia
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: oh
Banaan [1k\]: they should do it in spain
Sakeus [10k\]: yea
Banaan [1k\]: i like spain ^^
MaxMakinen [1k\]: russia won over spain by 1 vote
Banaan [1k\]: noo
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: in Russia in St. petersburg?
Banaan [1k\]: well would be cool to go to russia too
hjeksdhf [5d\]: but the weather in spain so much nicer
MaxMakinen [1k\]: i think it was undecided yet whether its moscow or st.petersburg, but i'm not sure
Banaan [1k\]: and the food
oonicks [?\]: whats the one move to prevernt b c17?
Banaan [1k\]: spanish food is impportant
gogonuts [5d\]: w has an attractive option at r2 ...
H16 [2d\]: russia won? nooo
amarie: good morning, eurogotv! can you please confirm this round pairings which are published on the site? I just saw the first 10 boards pairings, and a lot of top players are missing, is a mistake on the site: good morning, eurogotv! can you please confirm this round pairings which are published on the site? I just saw the first 10 boards pairings, and a lot of top players are missing, is a mistake on the site: good morning, eurogotv! can you please confirm this round pairings which are published on the site? I just saw the first 10 boards pairings, and a lot of top players are missing, is a mistake on the site ? 
SImamutik [2d\]: oh, Pity, Spain would be interesting ...
MaxMakinen [1k\]: yepp, a lot more interesting than russia... god.. what were people thinking when voting for russia instead of spain O_o
gogonuts [5d\]: amarieamarieamarie, pls dont multipaste :-)
Banaan [1k\]: well russia in the summer is nice too
Banaan [1k\]: depends on where you are of course
oonicks [?\]: n6 and others still look much bigger than r2 w r2 b tenuki
Badukgirl [?\]: no livestream`?
Laman [1d\]: well, Russians were trying to get EGC also the previous two years, they had to succeed eventually
Banaan [1k\]: well they deserve it i think
Sakeus [10k\]: looks like the internet is moody there today .D
oonicks [?\]: n6 not the riot time either after n6 q9 w us ahead
oonicks [?\]: is<
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: if I am not wrong when they were voting for the location of the 2014 go congress and they had to vote for Romania or Russia, Romania won by one vote only
oonicks [?\]: but exciting
Muscadet [?\]: I don´t like blacks left side structure. It is too low.
Sakeus [10k\]: again by one vote ? 3 ppl voting or what ? :D
SIscurge [5d\]: I think white looks slightly favourable because his shapes are active
Laman [1d\]: yes, Eurogo. and same with 2015
oonicks [?\]: b has more stones on the 4th line on the left than b on the whole borad:S
quary: hey guys, is Mateusz Surma playing today?
oonicks [?\]: than w<
oonicks [?\]: oh no i suppose d5 counts
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I suppose he is playing today, but not at one of the first 5 boards
oonicks [?\]: i dont know what w should do , because whatever w does i expect b c17
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;W[fd]C[gogonuts [5d\]: then play f17 :-)
oonicks [?\]: yes at taht point i wud:) thks for making it a lesson
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;B[bd]
;W[cc]C[gogonuts [5d\]: hm, with w f16, your right that c17 is attractive right away
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;B[dh]C[gogonuts [5d\]: nah
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;W[qr]C[SIscurge [5d\]: this is really big
gogonuts [5d\]: b defends, w e7 - w leads
oonicks [?\]: +- 15 pts
oonicks [?\]: ?
martin97 [2k\]: e7 now
gogonuts [5d\]: its always less in the fuseki than it seems :-)
gogonuts [5d\]: i think b has to abandon his safe approach now
oonicks [?\]: i wudnt 'count' them as 15 dont worry:)
gogonuts [5d\]: has to take d6 to make sense of his plays on the left
mooooo [6k\]: o6 insted of e7 possible?
globax [3d\]: l4 or h16?
gogonuts [5d\]: more like d6 or q7?
oonicks [?\]: i have little time:( the aji on q6 from r2 is also 'terrible'  h17? bye
SIscurge [5d\]: D6 looks important
SIscurge [5d\]: not easy to answer as white
gogonuts [5d\]: i think if b allows e7 also, he has little perspective
gogonuts [5d\]: w slightly ahead in any case though
SIscurge [5d\]: Looks like R2 is just too good. Maybe black should have played q3 p4 q2 instead D12 or b16
SImamutik [2d\]: I would never assume that r2 is such a big point ... interesting
SIscurge [5d\]: Difference between weak/strong - attack defense + quiet some points
keima2001 [5k?\]: d7
keima2001 [5k?\]: ?
keima2001 [5k?\]: e7 d6 d7 and c5
keima2001 [5k?\]: bad for b
Archaic [2d\]: these kind of openings always end up to be counting games
holynec [-\]: p10
Archaic [2d\]: i really despise these openings
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;B[mn]C[mooooo [6k\]: well o6 was close
CarterKane [5d\]: please come and join us in Brooklyn house!
Archaic [2d\]: carter how long you've been playing?
Archaic [2d\]: 1 year?
CarterKane [5d\]: yeah almost 1 year 
gogonuts [5d\]: b has *really* abandoned simple and safe :-)
Archaic [2d\]: how'd i guess at that
rtg65: cut!
Archaic [2d\]: you're being seriuos aren't u
gogonuts [5d\]: cut looks hard for both - so that would help b, imo
rtg65: ok... l5!
Archaic [2d\]: that's some crazy talent, well done.
mooooo [6k\]: if you reach stable 5d kgs in one year you should think about playing the game professional
Archaic [2d\]: i'm sure he has a similarly different outlook like magnus carlsen does in chess, but then i think he's joking
CarterKane [5d\]: we are actually very busy between training our intitates and playing go
Archaic [2d\]: who are these initiates, and what is the brooklyn house
CarterKane [5d\]: hey you didn't read our recording?
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;W[oj]C[Vutopan [4d\]: Q10
mooooo [6k\]: i would go for q9 now
gogonuts [5d\]: a natural move, keeping the advantage
rtg65: this move will help to decide, cut or not to cut
rtg65: (n6)
gogonuts [5d\]: b has no decent answer
gogonuts [5d\]: so maybe mess around at m4 :-)
op8n7 [4d\]: m16?
gogonuts [5d\]: m16 also possible
P1507 [10k\]: Du schafffst das Lukas
gogonuts [5d\]: b has to go fisahing somewhere
SIscurge [5d\]: D6 looks really important to me
globax [3d\]: attack at n10
CarterKane [5d\]: I think black should just q8
dxxd [2k\]: n10 probably a possibility with m16, though still not the greatest feeling
mooooo [6k\]: uddhared atmanatmanam     natmanam avasadayet      atmaiva hy atmano bandhur     atmaiva ripur atmanahi
Draxt [2k\]: q8 seems the best no ?
SIscurge [5d\]: m16 m17 o16 n16 n15 n17 n10 overplay?
op8n7 [4d\]: i think that's possible
gogonuts [5d\]: q8 looks sensible at first, but n6 is too useless then
gogonuts [5d\]: so b has to "go big" somehow
op8n7 [4d\]: searching for n10 seems natural
CarterKane [5d\]: but n6 is the central point of white's moyo
CarterKane [5d\]: and black's
gogonuts [5d\]: m16 m17 o16 p17 n10
Cezary [4d\]: ootakamoku i cant see mateusz on that list
Cezary [4d\]: thats why i asked
Cezary [4d\]: so im asking again, against who is mateusz surma playing
Cezary [4d\]: eurogotv can you tell me ?
Draxt [2k\]: but, can't q8 allow b to play near l3 ?
Draxt [2k\]: i mean w
Draxt [2k\]: ha no b:p
xxxxxxxxx [4d\]: n6 is very odd
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;B[ph]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I don't know, I am sorry
mooooo [6k\]: b wants cash
gogonuts [5d\]: just too friendly
gogonuts [5d\]: good moment to get in e7 for w
CarterKane [5d\]: I think e7 is not that important, since there is already a stone at n6
SIscurge [5d\]: but how do you answer D6 ? tenuki?
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;W[ol]C[dxxd [2k\]: p8
dxxd [2k\]: slow
dxxd [2k\]: if q9 then p6 maybe
Nino [1d\]: not that slow. gives p10 more strength for r9 or o6
mooooo [6k\]: can b ignore p8 and tenuki? 
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;B[on]
;W[qk]
;B[rk]C[gogonuts [5d\]: w taking action too soon here, imo
dxxd [2k\]: I think q12 would have helped b to cap n10, so w settles
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;W[ql]C[gogonuts [5d\]: no moo, w cutting off n6 would have been depressing
jj [-\]: whos playing
gogonuts [5d\]: it says ...
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: black is Lukas Kraemer 5d from Germany and white is Ondrej Silt 6d from the Czech Republic
jj [-\]: hmm?
jj [-\]: thx
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: :)
gogonuts [5d\]: q10 looks like a must to me
mooooo [6k\]: thx gogo but now b is in the possition to play d6 isnt he?
gogonuts [5d\]: too much going on on the right right now :-)
mooooo [6k\]: w can attack with s11?
gogonuts [5d\]: yes, and even just w q10 would be painful for b
gogonuts [5d\]: so i really expect b q10 right now
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;B[mk]C[gogonuts [5d\]: ah, no not wioth s11 :-)
gogonuts [5d\]: but with r11
mooooo [6k\]: thx
mooooo [6k\]: n9 a little bit agressive?
gogonuts [5d\]: more than a little bit :-)
SIscurge [5d\]: I like this decision by black :)
gogonuts [5d\]: i dont
gogonuts [5d\]: becuase there is no b moyo behind n9
Cezary [4d\]: true
gogonuts [5d\]: fighting spirit alone wont do
SImamutik [2d\]: how would you answer r11, by s11?
gogonuts [5d\]: y
kimball [3d?\]: b wants to use m 16 and o 16
gogonuts [5d\]: but b will prob also answer q10 at s11 ...
gogonuts [5d\]: so just q10 is fine for w imo
pilotpirx [3d\]: s 8
kimball [3d?\]: perhaps w decides to live lacally
kimball [3d?\]: locally
gogonuts [5d\]: there isnt much to gain for either one on the outside, true
gogonuts [5d\]: otoh, if w gets o11 at some point, he can aim at o7
Cassis0 [5d\]: just q10? 
gogonuts [5d\]: w is already heavy
gogonuts [5d\]: right
gogonuts [5d\]: no point in refusing to play q10
gogonuts [5d\]: its a fine point that one should be happy to get
SIscurge [5d\]: q10 doesn't look very sexy to me
Cassis0 [5d\]: q10 s10 s8
gogonuts [5d\]: there acting like q10 was spinach they dont want to eat
gogonuts [5d\]: but look how b q10 smushes ws shape ...
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;B[sj]
;W[pj]C[gogonuts [5d\]: why the fancy w s10 cut here?
gogonuts [5d\]: i know its standard, but in this position it just gave b a ko option
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;B[qh]
;W[rj]C[Chandra [2d\]: s10 gives s8 in sente or ko, losing ko only solidifies already solid B, so no problem for W at all
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;B[ld]
;W[lc]
;B[qj]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2 (and 1)
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;W[ml]C[Moin9 [1k\]: GO Lukas
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;B[ll]
;W[lk]C[Draxt [2k\]: what good this ko do to b ?
gogonuts [5d\]: makes w invest a move to win it :-)
Draxt [2k\]: o :)
Draxt [2k\]: ok:)
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;B[mj]C[gogonuts [5d\]: b has an even bigger problem here - if o8 w squeezes
gogonuts [5d\]: so now w gets m7
gogonuts [5d\]: and if b pays with a w center ponukki the side ko is really useful for w
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;W[lm]
;B[nl]
;W[kl]
;B[mm]C[Draxt [2k\]: isn't w kinda obliged to win these 2 ko to avoid being in trouble ?
Laman [1d\]: winning 2 kos is hard :)
Draxt [2k\]: yeah
H16 [2d\]: anybody, any idea why white threw in at s10 in the first place?
gogonuts [5d\]: you mean b is ...
gogonuts [5d\]: w only needs 1 ko
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;W[nk]
;B[ll]C[gogonuts [5d\]: oops
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;W[co]C[gogonuts [5d\]: really aggressive
Draxt [2k\]: yeah but imagine w lose mid ko, won't b bee too strong in middle ?
gogonuts [5d\]: simply s10 was fine for w
gogonuts [5d\]: finish the ko, w caputres, bq11
Draxt [2k\]: n8 b5 q11 ?
gogonuts [5d\]: b must ignore
SIscurge [5d\]: I think black would rather play Q11 then N8 if he decided not to answer
gogonuts [5d\]: hm
gogonuts [5d\]: i cant tell which is better
gogonuts [5d\]: but surely ignore
SIscurge [5d\]: questionable, yeah me neither N8 sente is very nice
Draxt [2k\]: n8 b5 o11 even kill white ?
SIscurge [5d\]: (for w)
SIscurge [5d\]: after o11 its ko
gogonuts [5d\]: no draxt, but after b q11 w cant really get out anyways
skillup [6d\]: b cant ignore
Draxt [2k\]: ha ok
gogonuts [5d\]: must :-)
Draxt [2k\]: why he can't ?
skillup [6d\]: i said without thinking :D
gogonuts [5d\]: o9 was greedy in a good position - b cannot make concessions
Draxt [2k\]: :)
Draxt [2k\]: thinking in go is overrated :p
skillup [6d\]: but corner seems very big
SIscurge [5d\]: perhaps overall :o)
gogonuts [5d\]: its huge
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;B[bo]C[skillup [6d\]: yea
gogonuts [5d\]: but still
gogonuts [5d\]: now w n8 for b o7 - terrible
Mukti [4d\]: Painful threat for w to play, losng a lib. 
Draxt [2k\]: guess b counted threat
skillup [6d\]: dont think, feeel
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
Draxt [2k\]: and never read roll dice !
gogonuts [5d\]: what is w thinking about?
Draxt [2k\]: wich ko to play?
SIscurge [5d\]: yeah :D
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: white is away from the board
gogonuts [5d\]: are they off to lunch?
skillup [6d\]: maybe w thinks about the number of ko threats
k0n0 [?\]: W made the bad exchange on the left side, then he plays another ko?
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;W[ml]
;B[nm]C[gogonuts [5d\]: ah, theyre having an "i can stay away from the table more than you" competition
gogonuts [5d\]: psst, ondrey, the other ko now -)
gogonuts [5d\]: ondrej, sry
EuroGoTV2 [-\]:  Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2 (and 1)
pilotpirx [3d\]: m6
kalaryan [3k\]: results table ?
SIscurge [5d\]: take ko no?
gogonuts [5d\]: sure
gogonuts [5d\]: but that why were just 5d
gogonuts [5d\]: we take without thinking
SIscurge [5d\]: :( :)
Moin9 [1k\]: he is taking a stone and......
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;W[ln]C[gogonuts [5d\]: wow
Moin9 [1k\]: sourroundblack
SIscurge [5d\]: mmm
gogonuts [5d\]: thats way too fancy for me
rtg65: q11
gogonuts [5d\]: otoh still living after b q11 would be nice ...
gogonuts [5d\]: but if not, its a poor trade
Draxt [2k\]: m5 no fear no brain !!!
gogonuts [5d\]: b must q11 imo
gogonuts [5d\]: cant do anything with that ko around
gogonuts [5d\]: r6 would be too friendly
gogonuts [5d\]: w still has s10 then
gogonuts [5d\]: yupp
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;B[pi]C[Michi86 [5k\]: Any news from Antti v. Zhao?
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;W[qn]
;B[ll]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: nope
K5 [1k\]: r5??
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Pop Cristian won
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I am not sure who his opponent was :d
IstTengen [3k?\]: in a game between antti and zhao? thats impressive!
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;W[bn]C[SIscurge [5d\]: :o)
Moin9 [1k\]: a lot of people need fans today....
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: it's pretty hot today
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;B[bm]
;W[ml]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 1 hour and 9 min for black, 1 hour and 11 min for white
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;B[rn]C[gogonuts [5d\]: holy moly, lukas :-)
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;W[ro]C[gogonuts [5d\]: s6 is a real specialty move :-)
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;B[rm]
;W[pn]C[Moin9 [1k\]: uohh its become more narrow the whole action
xxxxxxxxx [4d\]: game is very hard for black
xxxxxxxxx [4d\]: could say its over already
Ranchan [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Ranchan [-\]: wrong window
Moin9 [1k\]: n5 ?
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;B[op]C[SIscurge [5d\]: n5>s4
K5 [1k\]: p7?
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;W[qo]C[BrianH [10k\]: White is good?
hjeksdhf [5d\]: b could go for local life :p
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;B[ll]C[SIscurge [5d\]: this is really suspicious
December [4d\]: did you lose to a 30k or what :D hjek
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;W[pq]
;B[pp]C[SIscurge [5d\]: I think black must do something special.s4 n8 d6 c7 k7 looks good for w
Korea4K [2d\]: w in trouble
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;W[ml]C[Korea4K [2d\]: s4
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;B[rp]C[keima2001 [5k?\]: t4!
asdf2 [1d\]: o5
A1R [2k\]: o5 and black will connect
shikasta [1d\]: t5 looks fine
SIscurge [5d\]: These days Ondrej often plays 100% moves. He'll go for the best result even tough it is more dangerous then to take small advantage.
A1R [2k\]: to me looks dead
keima2001 [5k?\]: t6 and t4 good
k0n0 [?\]: I thought W s4 would be so comfortable for W
Zaphyrus [1k\]: tv1?
SIscurge [5d\]: me to
ohlord [2d\]: has burzo lost his game?
keima2001 [5k?\]: o 11?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yes, Burzo lost
A1R [2k\]: t4 should be enough for kill
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: :(
Zaphyrus [1k\]: oh
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;W[sp]C[A1R [2k\]: but ko is last chance
Korea4K [2d\]:  Wo kann man  Resultat finden?
Korea4K [2d\]: s3
TheClown [2d\]: looks difficult for white
Korea4K [2d\]: s2 better
A1R [2k\]: http://www.egc2012.eu/congress/main-tournaments/open-european-championship/results-main-tournament-round-4
FreeDoom [-\]: more difficult for b, should o4 and o5 to live
TheClown [2d\]: or ko
Korea4K [2d\]: danke an A1R
Gorim [3k\]: any news about Antti or Mateusz games?
FreeDoom [-\]: ho there is a ko, sorry seen just now
unicornz [1k\]: does anyone know what happened on board 1?
TurtleDove [4k\]: yes
Gorim [3k\]: Nurzo lost
shiftseven [1k\]: cornel lost
shiftseven [1k\]: by resignation
unicornz [1k\]: nooooo
A1R [2k\]: but doednt w has better chances for the win of the ko_
A1R [2k\]: doesnt*
]
;B[ll]C[TheClown [2d\]: well now they can make compromise
Ranchan [-\]: s3 
K5 [1k\]: As W, I would not seek complications - just s3
]
;W[rq]C[cyitcf [2k\]: s8
]
;B[ml]
;W[dn]C[TheClown [2d\]: think black let him get it to easy
]
;B[cm]C[SIscurge [5d\]: wow really? n8 so fast
martin3141 [-\]: strange - w already had the chance to play s4, but he captured the ko instead
K5 [1k\]: maybe W disliked what he read...
SIscurge [5d\]: k7
TheClown [2d\]: agree
gnarf [1k\]: this looks quit good for w to me
Moin9 [1k\]: huge at the bottom
lawpress: he should play a gote move at the bottem
]
;W[lo]C[lawpress: exacly :P
Moin9 [1k\]: e8 looks quite vitale for both development
TurtleDove [4k\]: m5 honte
]
;B[el]C[lawpress: yes, e8 is the key point
Moin9 [1k\]: yeah e8^^
Vutopan [4d\]: is cornel won?
Sheriffi [-\]: No
hjeksdhf [5d\]: 谁赢了？
December [4d\]: yeah
Moin9 [1k\]: white has so much walls at the bottom i guess with e8 you can only start a reduction ..
Moin9 [1k\]: lol indrej biting his fan^^
Moin9 [1k\]: ondrej*
K5 [1k\]: still, with F3 stone I'm inclined to defend at f7
Vutopan [4d\]: resign maybe
]
;W[fm]C[Moin9 [1k\]: who was remembering Zama Oza from hikaru ;-)??
SIscurge [5d\]: me^^ f7 means w has enough
]
;B[fl]C[K5 [1k\]: I agree. Looks like tough game for B to me
Akari1 [1k\]: Zama Oza can not be compared to ama players
]
;W[gl]C[Moin9 [1k\]: uooh blacks push from behind and helps white to make it solid o.0
hjeksdhf [5d\]: seems like w ahead about 20ish unless b goes into the top
Moin9 [1k\]: why?
Nino [1d\]: had to else white gets f8
Akari1 [1k\]: he is in another league
Moin9 [1k\]: j8 ?? is j8 necessary?
hjeksdhf [5d\]: maybe h17
keima2001 [5k?\]: g9
]
;B[em]C[Moin9 [1k\]: i wasn also wondering if black should make one last thing at bottom or switch to top-..
Moin9 [1k\]: i was *
kitani23 [3k\]: did cornel win?
FreeDoom [-\]: no
Joa [?\]: lost
]
;W[fn]C[jo0jio: j8
]
;B[en]C[K5 [1k\]: g8 over keen? Better at g7??
vulong [17k\]: hi
]
;W[fo]
;B[gk]
;W[hl]
;B[hd]C[jo0jio: b17
Moin9 [1k\]: here it is
Moin9 [1k\]: i see
SIscurge [5d\]: H16 must be satisfied with this move :p
Moin9 [1k\]:  so black made influence and kind of leaning attack with G9 and the other moves so that now  the three white stones at top had a harder time 
]
;W[bc]C[Moin9 [1k\]: but B17
Moin9 [1k\]: ah yes i see^^
]
;B[nd]
;W[oc]C[lawpress: i dont like o16, timing seems weird
jo0jio: b can do nothing
]
;B[je]C[Itserroth: hahaha
K5 [1k\]: o16 = support for H16
]
;W[od]
;B[oe]
;W[md]C[hjeksdhf [5d\]: b hoping for magic points in the centre
hjeksdhf [5d\]: this game went from that ko to yose really fast
hjeksdhf [5d\]: it almost feels like game over now
nanotech [2k\]: haha look at se - broken down
Sheriffi [-\]: Randy knows what he's doing
]
;B[le]C[jo0jio: o11 is waiting for W stone
SIscurge [5d\]: w+15
]
;W[me]
;B[mf]
;W[ne]
;B[nf]
;W[hk]
;B[gj]C[K5 [1k\]: o11?
jo0jio: not important anymore
]
;W[kj]
;B[gb]C[SIscurge [5d\]: b has to do something I tough F17 instead of g18
DejMiPivo [6k?\]: time?
jo0jio: to resign
]
;W[gc]
;B[hc]
;W[fb]C[Gamblerone [2d?\]: In which country is this congres?
shiftseven [1k\]: germany
celebrir [-\]: germany
A1R [2k\]: germany
antibiotic [1d\]: Bonn
jo0jio: austria
Gamblerone [2d?\]: thx
]
;B[ee]C[Bloodshed [6d\]: Germany
k0n0 [?\]: germany
Bloodshed [6d\]: :D
]
;W[hb]
;B[ed]C[shiftseven [1k\]: i think it's in germany
celebrir [-\]: maybe ;)
Bloodshed [6d\]: Bonn right?
celebrir [-\]: yeah
shiftseven [1k\]: mayhaps
Namaskar [1d\]: that's that country in the Alps isn't it?
jo0jio: no
shiftseven [1k\]: yes...
shiftseven [1k\]: all in the alps
Namaskar [1d\]: Bonn in the Apls?
Syu [1k\]: alp..? alpine mount?
jo0jio: j18
Syu [1k\]: alpen*
IstTengen [3k?\]: with banks and chokolate
Observeo [-\]: Not really. Think of the Rhine.
Namaskar [1d\]: Rhone
shiftseven [1k\]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonn
shiftseven [1k\]: enjoy
K5 [1k\]: B magic center project coming on OK
SIscurge [5d\]: Eurogo Time please :)
Observeo [-\]: No. Chocolate and banks is Switzerland.
hjeksdhf [5d\]: indeed k5 :)
]
;W[fe]
;B[ec]C[shiftseven [1k\]: and knives. switzerland has everything :`-(
]
;W[eb]C[jo0jio: nice
]
;B[ff]C[hjeksdhf [5d\]: ugly shape for w
jo0jio: in other words, what's W doing?
shiftseven [1k\]: beautiful shape for w
hjeksdhf [5d\]: g19?
shiftseven [1k\]: i wish to marry this shape
]
;W[ga]C[K5 [1k\]: @s7 - no go, it is not human
jo0jio: d17... c16
K5 [1k\]: it is from the underworld
shiftseven [1k\]: :-/
]
;B[ii]C[hjeksdhf [5d\]: magic centre lalala
jo0jio: g14
Namaskar [1d\]: sacrifice e16 stones
K5 [1k\]: n11 any danger??
]
;W[ki]
;B[ge]
;W[gd]
;B[he]C[K5 [1k\]: B might wanna O4 just in case
]
;W[no]C[DejMiPivo [6k?\]: no more
hjeksdhf [5d\]: w trying to fix randy for us
shiftseven [1k\]: w+4
golife4TGA [2d\]: who won the cornel's game
shiftseven [1k\]: cornel lost
hjeksdhf [5d\]: not cornel
K5 [1k\]: ??
]
;B[np]C[shiftseven [1k\]: eurogo boobed up
]
(;W[mo]C[golife4TGA [2d\]: thnx
SIscurge [5d\]: what? O.o
shiftseven [1k\]: big group died
shiftseven [1k\]: so he resignated
jo0jio: it wasn't cornel's game even for a moment
]
;B[oo]C[IstTengen [3k?\]: hehe
Akari1 [1k\]: yes, it was
])
(;W[nq]C[jo0jio: YES!
]
;B[oo]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: sorry
jo0jio: np
globax [3d\]: np^^
jo0jio: 5euro
shiftseven [1k\]: we forgive
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: :D
globax [3d\]: just stop alcohol
SIscurge [5d\]: whats the time for the players?
]
;W[ih]C[shiftseven [1k\]: w 150m, b 150m
shiftseven [1k\]: they play very fast. no wonder eurogo has a hard time
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 51 min for b, 41 min for w
SIscurge [5d\]: thx
JEGO [7k\]: how much speend time?
emre35 [4d\]: w aim to n11
]
;B[hh]C[Syu [1k\]: 150 min main time each players
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: they don't really play fast, I just wasn't careful :)
]
;W[ni]
;B[mi]C[hjeksdhf [5d\]: c16 ish seems big soon
SIscurge [5d\]: o11 looks like aji keshi if there is no contination
shiftseven [1k\]: hey euro, when do the top europeans get separated from the rest of the field?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]:    Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2 (and 1)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I think that after 7 rounds
shiftseven [1k\]: ty
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: :)
]
;W[mh]
;B[lh]C[jo0jio: m13
hjeksdhf [5d\]: w just trying to fix randy in sente
]
;W[nh]C[shiftseven [1k\]: boy, that lukas has skinny legs
]
;B[jk]C[eikibg [1k\]: beware: the fashion show commentaries are coming
asdf2 [1d\]: k10
]
;W[kk]C[hjeksdhf [5d\]: euro escaped!?
jo0jio: ...
]
(;B[lj]C[Joa [?\]: ?
])
(;B[li]
;W[jh]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: internet
eikibg [1k\]: euro is drunk as hell
eikibg [1k\]: ;)
Sheriffi [-\]: Bad joke
shiftseven [1k\]: please do not profane this event
]
;B[qb]C[K5 [1k\]: They have alcohol in hell? :)
jo0jio: maybe there is free beer for transmiters?
]
;W[pc]
;B[rc]C[shiftseven [1k\]: still aji with m13
]
;W[hg]C[kolayn112 [3k\]: w+7-10
FreeDoom [-\]: +7-10 = b +3 ?
]
;B[gh]C[shiftseven [1k\]: i counted w+4 about fifty moves ago
Sheriffi [-\]: Euro, has Antti finished his game?
K5 [1k\]: d1
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I dont know :/
]
;W[be]
;B[ce]C[Syu [1k\]: i counted w + 15 at move 110
]
;W[cd]
;B[af]
;W[bf]
;B[bg]C[shiftseven [1k\]: maybe it wasn't 50. more like 25
]
;W[ad]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: how comes you ask about him and not your brother? :P
]
;B[ib]
;W[jb]
;B[ic]
;W[bp]C[shiftseven [1k\]: your his brother from another mother
]
;B[an]C[Sheriffi [-\]: Baaaad joke
shiftseven [1k\]: you're
hjeksdhf [5d\]: yes, the grammar was the problem with that sentence...
shiftseven [1k\]: i know. i corrected it
hjeksdhf [5d\]: thanks :)
shiftseven [1k\]: np
]
;W[ae]C[jo0jio: f13?
]
;B[es]C[Cezary [4d\]: d1
]
;W[ds]
;B[cs]C[Cezary [4d\]: f2
]
;W[fr]C[jo0jio: wow, so strong
SIscurge [5d\]: w ahead more then 20
]
;B[ag]C[IstTengen [3k?\]: than
Cezary [4d\]: silto does as i command
Syu [1k\]: randy say b+
]
;W[cg]C[jo0jio: f13!
]
;B[ch]
;W[ef]C[TheClown [2d\]: randy is strong
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Antti is still playing
jo0jio: overplay
LaicepS [3k\]: no now d17 is sente for w
MaxMakinen [1k\]: eurogotv2, ok, thanks
shiftseven [1k\]: d17 is not the point of this
]
;B[de]C[shiftseven [1k\]: besides d17 not even sente
TheClown [2d\]: j14 perhaps
shiftseven [1k\]: m13
jo0jio: what!!!!!
]
;W[fg]C[emre35 [4d\]: f13 
]
;B[gf]C[shiftseven [1k\]: not right now
LaicepS [3k\]: d17 is obviously sente
]
;W[dg]C[zum [-\]: how did cornel do?
hjeksdhf [5d\]: gg
jo0jio: what is this?
Review [-\]: huh?
TheClown [2d\]: oooops
Syu [1k\]: gg
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: WHITE WINS BY RESIGN
emre35 [4d\]: res
FreeDoom [-\]: bum
shiftseven [1k\]: nice
IstTengen [3k?\]: this is awesome :)
jo0jio: what was d15??????
shiftseven [1k\]: nice sequence monsieur w
nnnn2007 [1d\]: oh god
Syu [1k\]: ty eurogo2 for xcribing
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: thanks for watching :)
TheClown [2d\]: Ondrej is evil
nnnn2007 [1d\]: w+ resign now
zum [-\]: how did cornel do?
shiftseven [1k\]: did black flip the board, euro?
shiftseven [1k\]: cornel lost
server [4k\]: e12?
zum [-\]: thanks shift
KCN [1k\]: d15 kyu move
jo0jio: stupid end
KCN [1k\]: g1 14 too
Sheriffi [-\]: Soo, is Jesse losing?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: heeeey
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I iwll go check
Sheriffi [-\]: >.>
Warfreak2 [4d\]: embarrassing for b
Yaoundee [3k\]: Jesse who?
Sheriffi [-\]: Savo
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: hmm
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: they are playing a ko
Joa [?\]: E12 doesnt work?
H16 [2d\]: let the stream on
Syu [1k\]: e12 b12 
H16 [2d\]: pls
agreg: iy does
K5 [1k\]: no. check B13
agreg: oh
Syu [1k\]: but
orestis [1d\]: e12 e13
Syu [1k\]: e13 i dont know, maybe e12 e13 better
Joa [?\]:  e12 e13 g13 
K5 [1k\]: no buts, B = toast
KCN [1k\]: he bet himself like Kramer vs. Kramer
orestis [1d\]: joa then b13...
orestis [1d\]: b messed up here
Joa [?\]: oh yejh
Joa [?\]: thx
Joa [?\]: lol
kurdt [2k\]: e12, b12, b11, a12, e13 ?
Joa [?\]: DERP
orestis [1d\]: e122 e13 g13 b13
kurdt [2k\]: ah no
Syu [1k\]: miao~~~
kurdt [2k\]: yes
Pingu007 [3d\]: do you know thomas result pls?
O3epo: d15 big misstake
O3epo: atari e13 good
orestis [1d\]: slipped concentration
O3epo: y
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Antti won by resign
Sheriffi [-\]: \\o/
Joa [?\]: blunder
Joa [?\]: so sad
O3epo: gape
salty [2d\]: anyway, white was in front even before that coup de grace
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: cya tomorrow, I guess :)
globax [3d\]: thx egtv2
O3epo: before black won 6 points 
keima2001 [5k?\]: who win?
Irrkciva [9k\]: w
Irrkciva [9k\]: e15 dead
A1R [2k\]: who won on board 3 - Yeongsam or Thomas?
])))
