(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[EGC2012 MAIN round 6 board 1]PW[Antti Toermaenen]PB[Song Jun Hyup]WR[6d]BR[7d]DT[2012-07-30]PC[Bonn, Germany]WT[Finland]BT[Korea]C[BrianH [10k\]: two minutes?
BrianH [10k\]: start?
ARRGHHH: oh man this is exciting
mate105 [3d\]: hello
Skel [1d\]: kgs players ?
Gorim [3k\]: go Antti!
Goreon [3d\]: presumable song 2 strong
Gorim [3k\]: Antti is Tien
Gorim [3k\]: Tien was an insei in Japan for the last few months
Gorim [3k\]: so he can surprise here
GoSuGo [4d\]: Toermaenen!
mooooo [6k\]: he was an insei to become pro or just for the fun?
Gorim [3k\]: don't remember
Sur [3k?\]: to become stronger
Sur [3k?\]: he is nowhere near pro stremgth
Gorim [3k\]: yeah, best reason I think
KurataSan [1d\]: i want w to win
Backflash [6k\]: for fun, sort of...but he played pro on TV!!
KurataSan [1d\]: but i belive that b will win
Gorim [3k\]: he got to group B before returning to Finland
Gorim [3k\]: so quite near the insei top, but not there yet
Backflash [6k\]: i think he was in 1st group
Backflash [6k\]: maybe
Gorim [3k\]: checked now, he ended on the first place of group C
Gorim [3k\]: so if he stayed he would be in group B
Backflash [6k\]: oh
Gorim [3k\]: I bet he is one of the strongest Europeans
Gorim [3k\]: but it is possible that both Korean 7dans are to strong for any European
ekku [-\]: are the pairings published yet for this round?
KurataSan [1d\]: wat i can only see is murugandi and the second person
KurataSan [1d\]: second person is such a foooooooooooooooooooooooool
elmex [6k\]: ?
ARRGHHH: where these people are? making such a long time to wait
KurataSan [1d\]: cornel is board 4
KurataSan [1d\]: he has only wins doesnt he?
ekku [-\]: no
apina [1d\]: he lost against Song Jun Hyup
KurataSan [1d\]: oh
reflex: GO ANTTI!
iju [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
KurataSan [1d\]: he played ilya already?
mihi [5d\]: http://eurogotv.com   what's with the first article there?I find it more than stupid... 
ARRGHHH: hah, looks like someone hacked into the site
BongoBob [6k\]: ?
ARRGHHH: they are emailing people their passwords, this is just worse now
Minjhou [-\]: seems that any registred user can edit the page
ARRGHHH: are you serious ?
Minjhou [-\]: are you registred? try it, there's a "pencil" icon on top-rigth to edit it
Minjhou [-\]: maybe it's only to comment the article
tneva82 [18k\]: yup. comment
Minjhou [-\]: anyway, the first article is funny :-)
ARRGHHH: maybe this guy suffers a little bit from being a nutcase, and it is rude to mock him for it ?
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;B[qd]C[itepilah [2d\]: stream is not working for me
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;W[dc]C[iju [-\]: and so it begins...
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;B[pp]C[mate105 [3d\]: i am glad
ARRGHHH: wow this is awesome so far
]
;W[od]
;B[oc]
;W[nc]C[iju [-\]: antti likes moyo
]
;B[pc]
;W[md]
;B[ne]
;W[me]
;B[nb]
;W[mb]
;B[nd]
;W[mc]C[XhikashiX [6k\]: is there live stream?
iju [-\]: no
]
;B[nf]
;W[mg]C[XhikashiX [6k\]: sad
]
;B[ng]
;W[nh]C[plamen [1d\]: is this joseki?
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;B[mf]
;W[lf]C[ARRGHHH: cut ?
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;B[oh]C[mihi [5d\]: hmm..I maybe O14 better than N18 
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;W[mh]C[mihi [5d\]: or O13
ARRGHHH: ladder
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;B[oi]C[mate105 [3d\]: old joseki
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;W[og]
;B[oe]
;W[kg]
;B[ee]C[mate105 [3d\]: wohhh
ARRGHHH: jesus
drchaos [2k\]: go from space
plamen [1d\]: B is leading already?
]
;W[fd]
;B[fe]C[elmex [6k\]: B already won
elmex [6k\]: q4 too strong
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;W[gd]C[iju [-\]: thanks 6k
plamen [1d\]: i think so as well joseki choice by W was wrong
]
;B[ge]C[ARRGHHH: must invade right or resign
plamen [1d\]: he cant i t wonth end well
ARRGHHH: it's not ending well already
XhikashiX [6k\]: invasion this early will be very stupid
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;W[hd]C[erna [6k\]: agree: this looks really bad for w, imo
tassel [1d\]: just c4?
mate105 [3d\]: c16
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;B[ce]
;W[cd]
;B[bd]
;W[bc]C[mooooo [6k\]: but w can make top right smaller on the r line not?
plamen [1d\]: top right is soooo small right now
]
;B[dd]C[plamen [1d\]: B will tenuki a few times there
]
;W[cc]
;B[cj]C[SIscurge [5d\]: Are the results of the weekend tournament somewhere Eurogo? I find only pairing of the 1st round O.o
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;W[dq]C[holynec [-\]: this game is wierd
polt: b too strong
ARRGHHH: still seems even
]
;B[do]C[erna [6k\]: much too strong.....
kurii [2d\]: E15 was brilliant to be honest
]
;W[qn]C[Gorim [3k\]: don't know what people are talking about
plamen [1d\]: yes great way to reduce
Gorim [3k\]: black may be bit better
Gorim [3k\]: but still it is far from over
]
;B[pl]C[erna [6k\]: of course not
elmex [6k\]: Slscurge: someone posted this scan online, i think that were the weekend turnament results: http://goklubusti.wz.cz/out/bonn2012-w.pdf
]
;W[ql]C[ARRGHHH: going to be an extremely high scoring game
mooooo [6k\]: they play so fast for 150min
SIscurge [5d\]: Yeah it Milos Podpera who posted it, but there is just the pairing of the last round not the result :(
kurii [2d\]: White seems fine to me
medical [3k\]: high scoring? a lot of points or a big pt difference?
NH3CH2COOH [2k\]: is the stream down?
ARRGHHH: the first one, we'll find out about the second one :p
SIscurge [5d\]: but thanks :)
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;B[qk]C[erna [6k\]: r9 normal?
]
;W[pk]C[erna [6k\]: oh, sorry
plamen [1d\]: what direction is the best for B in this situation?
plamen [1d\]: r10 ?
plamen [1d\]: or s9 
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;B[ol]C[erna [6k\]: they ARE quick
kurii [2d\]: R10 seems submissive
plamen [1d\]: :) 
plamen [1d\]: p8 uses the stones at p11 its better
cyitcf [2k\]:  W Q10?
plamen [1d\]: he cant
plamen [1d\]: W can push under and live
plamen [1d\]: but will be very small 
NH3CH2COOH [2k\]: maybe someone has sabotaged the cameras in the weekend
SIscurge [5d\]: Was N12 correct?
plamen [1d\]: what do u sugest?
erna [6k\]: at least thick.....
SIscurge [5d\]: I tought yousually you extend o11..
SIscurge [5d\]: *usually ^^
mate105 [3d\]: N12 is in joseki database too
SIscurge [5d\]: aha ok thanks
Korf [1k\]: n12 is correct acording to Get Strong at joseki l13 is omitted there
cyitcf [2k\]: W  R10 & P9?
elmex [6k\]: N12 looks like fixing the shape and offering less points to cut later
plamen [1d\]: yeah l13 was to much
cyitcf [2k\]: w s9?
Turnipsi [1d\]: q10
Cassis0 [5d\]: Go antti ! 
erna [6k\]: go where:)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: super antti
Turnipsi [1d\]: I thought this was YoungSam vs Noaki?
mooooo [6k\]: nokia?
ARRGHHH: well it's not
ARRGHHH: you can clearly see it's this guy v. that other guy
Clio [4d\]: antti sleeping?
plamen [1d\]: i think W should leave that for now and play f4 
kurii [2d\]: reading deep
NeilM [4k\]: I would play S9
kurii [2d\]: w wants to settle in sente
Turnipsi [1d\]: w is Törmänen ok, so who is b?
NeilM [4k\]: you presume ...
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;W[rk]
;B[qj]
;W[rm]C[ARRGHHH: eh
plamen [1d\]: now once B closes p6 area and playes f4 he has big moyo
SIscurge [5d\]: what would have happend if he has played S9 without q9?
NH3CH2COOH [2k\]: black is eh
]
;B[rj]C[ARRGHHH: aha
O3epo: eurogptv video work?
ARRGHHH: i guessed a 7d move
s0urLuc1d [7k\]: not for me o3
Cassis0 [5d\]: o3 p5 w is divided
Cassis0 [5d\]: not good
medical [3k\]: s4?
Cassis0 [5d\]: r4 maybe 
]
;W[pm]C[sewr243: s5
]
;B[ro]
;W[nm]C[sewr243: p9
SImikin [1k\]: i want to like w but i like b :(
O3epo: eurogptv video work?
Cassis0 [5d\]: w goes for the slow variation 
Minjhou [-\]: does it O3epo?
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;B[np]C[s0urLuc1d [7k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
s0urLuc1d [7k\]: find out
ARRGHHH: b has stones literally all over the board
kurii [2d\]: white's situation starting to look very bad
Weishenme [5d\]: so difficult game for w
kurii [2d\]: running in dame not that fun
ARRGHHH: only points w has is top, running out of places on the board to get much more
Weishenme [5d\]: the N17 w's wall has not been used properly
SIscurge [5d\]: I think h16 was strange
Weishenme [5d\]: H16 is a big mistake I think; C15 instead would have been more positive 
SIscurge [5d\]: yes
XhikashiX [6k\]: the live stream is verry laggy
SIscurge [5d\]: or D12
Weishenme [5d\]: yes
Egg [8k\]: o8 ?
SIscurge [5d\]: no one cares about K17 territory 
SIscurge [5d\]: :o)
]
;W[ej]C[ARRGHHH: hmm
NH3CH2COOH [2k\]: irritating guy in the orange tshirt
]
;B[dh]C[XhikashiX [6k\]: the live stream isnt live ^^
O3epo: s0urLuc1d  thanks
XhikashiX [6k\]: its like 10 moves behind lol
]
;W[gq]
;B[cq]
;W[cr]
;B[cp]
;W[jq]C[sewr243: b2
ARRGHHH: D8 ?
]
;B[ok]C[NH3CH2COOH [2k\]: the orange guy keeps looking
NH3CH2COOH [2k\]: they are completely frozen
]
;W[om]C[ekku [-\]: must be the AC
sewr243: L3
SIscurge [5d\]: Q3 is the shape to attack blacks formation?
]
;B[qo]C[ARRGHHH: kill corner aji
kurii [2d\]: b playing very solid
medical [3k\]: d9 too much?
medical [3k\]: oh, c9 i meant
]
;W[nk]
;B[lq]
;W[ck]
;B[dj]C[mate105 [3d\]: O9 needed?
SIscurge [5d\]: How do you want to win if you play so slow .. :/
kurii [2d\]: seals b
ARRGHHH: center starts to look awfully white
mate105 [3d\]: O9 is super slow for me
Pinguschaf [?\]: i like o9
Cassis0 [5d\]: o9 protects a weak group
Cassis0 [5d\]: so it's ok 
tapir [1d?\]: Is Antti surprised by D10?
mooooo [6k\]: alot of tenuki
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;W[dk]C[Banaan [1k\]: i dont think so
Banaan [1k\]: d10 is not that surprising :p
ARRGHHH: plan to attack c4 ?
tapir [1d?\]: Yes, but he stopped to think when o9 was played instantly after m3
observ: maybe he was sure b blays b9 instead of d10
sewr243: b2
]
;B[ek]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: antti cannot lose
]
;W[bj]C[observ: like this  c3 stones seem to become a possible problem
]
;B[bi]C[sewr243: d7
]
;W[el]C[sewr243: f9!!!!
]
;B[fk]
;W[bk]C[sewr243: b2?
iju [-\]: f8
colas [8k\]: d7 
NeilM [4k\]: c7?
medical [3k\]: b will fix his d10 wall
Caelum [3k\]: can you think before saying a random move ? :)
ARRGHHH: A9
royu [4d\]: Caelum, t19
Caelum [3k\]: oh good choice :)
royu [4d\]: thx thx
Syu [1k\]: f6
iju [-\]: f8
sewr243: f10
Muttley [2k\]: how is Antti doing here?   Black looks better to me
medical [3k\]: if b approaches rom lower side I bet w will c11
Muttley [2k\]: I'm guessing C3 really shouldn't die
mooooo [6k\]: b ahead by around 15?
]
;B[fl]
;W[em]
;B[fm]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: i prefer w
]
;W[en]
;B[br]C[ARRGHHH: ooh
sewr243: Warfreak2, because you are black sheep
]
;W[dr]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: i'm a wolf
]
;B[cm]C[ARRGHHH: ooohh
royu [4d\]: w less weakness but behind on pts currently
Cezary [5d\]: what warfreak ?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: in black sheep's clothing
Cezary [5d\]: say "im a wolf" one more time i dare you
]
;W[bm]C[ARRGHHH: wowsuji
Moin9 [1k\]: stream is frozen! and strem 2 is off air...why??
Cezary [5d\]: obvious lie, mister paladin
Warfreak2 [4d\]: lol, you're samuel l jackson?
Cezary [5d\]: yes
Cezary [5d\]: didnt you notice ?
Egg [8k\]: black can live ?
medical [3k\]: moin9, because go players are poor and can't donate enough money to eurogotv
Warfreak2 [4d\]: you are also a master of disguise
Warfreak2 [4d\]: donate to eurogotv to solve all of your life's problems
Cezary [5d\]: i was a jedi master also
ARRGHHH: b12 will be annoying later
Warfreak2 [4d\]: take b15 first
]
;B[bn]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: actually white can c11 directly
SIscurge [5d\]: no he can't
SIscurge [5d\]: c11 d11 c12 b12 c13 b13 d13 e12 e13 f12 b14 c14 b15 f14 
]
;W[eo]
;B[he]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: shorter please
SIscurge [5d\]: well.. I guess no one will check this sequence :D.. pity youcant insert diagrams on kgs ^^
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not b14
SIscurge [5d\]: ah then which one?
ARRGHHH: Siscurge: open up a clone ?
Blaubaer [5d\]: nice trick to ask for diagramm feature Siscurge :-)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: push once more
SIscurge [5d\]: :D
SIscurge [5d\]: you cannot i haned
sewr243: c11 d11 c12 d13 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: then cut
SIscurge [5d\]: i cloned if you want to check it out
Mipaline [4k\]: b group c3 die or ko?
Blaubaer [5d\]: lives?
Mipaline [4k\]: if w c6?
SIscurge [5d\]: so warfreak was right he could have c11 ^^
Blaubaer [5d\]: c6 d6?
Caode [16k\]: Warfreak is wise. :o
Syu [1k\]: this h15 to fix c11 aji?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no
kratos35 [4k\]: maybe
Mipaline [4k\]: c6 d6 b5
Warfreak2 [4d\]: to fix this aji, just play a move like f10, that's best
Blaubaer [5d\]: i cant analyse this withou that diagramm thing ^^ Mipaline sry
Mipaline [4k\]: thx Blaubaer :)
Blaubaer [5d\]: but next move maybe a6
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i still prefer w
randomnick [2d\]: racist
reflex: white is more than 15 points behind?
ARRGHHH: LOL! 
ARRGHHH: i dont think he means it in that way
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;W[ie]
;B[if]
;W[fi]C[Rossk [-\]: hehe
ARRGHHH: uhoh
Rossk [-\]: is w getting desperate now
]
;B[gi]C[Rossk [-\]: or can this work?
Marek [5d\]: not realy
Marek [5d\]: yose...
geronimo [1d\]: b12 yose ?
ARRGHHH: G11 strong yose
]
;W[ci]
;B[di]
;W[ch]
;B[dg]C[Marek [5d\]: b wants sente
]
;W[bh]C[Marek [5d\]: this is solid
G0ldtree [6k\]: l5 ?
Marek [5d\]: l5 is no points
floating [?\]: problem at my end or eurogotv I see black screen on the stream
tvh [2k\]: why not black b13?
reflex: stream isn't working for me either
tvh [2k\]: sorry white b13?
cambodia [7k\]: ...K15?
]
;B[je]
;W[id]C[Minjhou [-\]: I suggest to close all streaming eurogotv pages, so kgs stream might work smoothly
]
;B[bl]
;W[lr]
;B[kr]
;W[kq]C[furr [?\]: It shouldn't matter
]
;B[mq]C[medical [3k\]: doesn't the datapipe go: egc -> ustream.tv -> everybody else
Marek [5d\]: 10 points to take
reflex: what's the idea with bB8?
reflex: that looks like it's aiming to cut two living groups with D8, odd
Marek [5d\]: b8 - anty sente
reflex: anty?
kryft [1d?\]: Reverse sente, I think
Cassis0 [5d\]: b ahead by 20
Cassis0 [5d\]: and w has no room to fight 
Cassis0 [5d\]: I'd say it's over
Cassis0 [5d\]: you need more than a clean style to beat a korean
ARRGHHH: just need 20 points in the center
Caelum [3k\]: ils sont vraiment impressionants les coréens quand même...
Minjhou [-\]: all of us speaking english, and here comes the french guy!
reflex: white has about 60 points on the board? (3kyu count)
reflex: for black, I get 88
ARRGHHH: no it's fine french is the language of defeat .. w is clearly feeling french right now
]
;W[ig]
;B[hg]
;W[jf]
;B[hf]
;W[gj]
;B[hi]C[reflex: I counted the whole center as dame
]
;W[jr]
;B[nl]
;W[ml]
;B[oj]C[Caelum [3k\]: the language of defeat ?
reflex: oww, black shouldn't have gotten bO8 ever, am I right?
Minjhou [-\]: french is not the world-wide language, lot of years ago
Caelum [3k\]: then what ?
Caelum [3k\]: I cannot speak to french people ?
Minjhou [-\]: but french people seems to don't understand it
Minjhou [-\]: you can, but they will not understand you
klausP [4d\]: Go Antti!
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: ya, go antti :)
svartrev [5k\]: so SE is pretty interresting right now... haven't seen a game *this* undecided so far in before
svartrev [5k\]: Yes, I know SE is far from perfect, but it just goes to show what sort of game they're playing
maciek [3d\]: hmm hmm  i dont see something or is it like B +20?
svartrev [5k\]: No, SE has gives no points to either, except obvious captures
maciek [3d\]: :))
ARRGHHH: are you counting the bottom left side as w points ?
medical [3k\]: funniest SE of all time
maciek [3d\]: yes i couted it, shouldnt i?
Muttley [2k\]: se w+6.5?
maciek [3d\]: i didnt count the center tho
]
;W[ln]
;B[il]C[Hellhuman [1d\]: eurogotv, why do i get a lesson from murugandis lesson when i click your link?
]
;W[ms]
;B[nr]C[klausP [4d\]: is n1 the normal endgame here?
Cassis0 [5d\]: yes
klausP [4d\]: good to know
Hellhuman [1d\]: cause n2 o2 destroys further endgame?
klausP [4d\]: here you have o1 as follow up
Cassis0 [5d\]: n1 is two points more than n2
Hellhuman [1d\]: p18 looks big now
Warfreak2 [4d\]: antti power
]
;W[ob]
;B[ed]
;W[ec]
;B[ih]C[mihi [5d\]: Q19
Koukkaaja [3d\]: q19 
Koukkaaja [3d\]: yes
Hellhuman [1d\]: q19 !
]
;W[ji]C[Hellhuman [1d\]: we learned
Hellhuman [1d\]: haha
Koukkaaja [3d\]: yes!
]
;B[jg]
;W[kf]C[Koukkaaja [3d\]: kibitz aint for naught
Hellhuman [1d\]: hm, i count its close
sewr243: b1?
Hellhuman [1d\]: maybe with better yose w can win
]
;B[mk]
;W[ll]C[Muttley [2k\]: I count it as white losing by about 6.5
sewr243: g5
]
;B[hn]
;W[ik]
;B[ij]
;W[hl]C[audio [1k\]: w t10 big sente?
]
;B[hm]C[reflex: t10 looks like white's privilege
sewr243: what is this? (last w move)
ohno [3k?\]: hi, guys. i play go, too
ohno [3k?\]: euro again mad at us today? no live video
]
;W[jl]
;B[im]
;W[jk]
;B[hk]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no donations no video
ekku [-\]: blackmail
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: (joke)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: bad internet
]
;W[pa]
;B[qb]C[sewr243: no donations no good internet
cudy: even with, it's hard in .de -- I'm paying 50$+/mo for 0.375 Mbit
]
;W[bs]
;B[ar]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i am now working with a prepaid card i bought myself
]
;W[oo]
;B[op]
;W[ns]
;B[mr]
;W[ks]
;B[os]
;W[ls]
;B[pr]
;W[sj]
;B[si]
;W[sk]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: super antti
]
;B[ri]C[reflex: I now learned N1/Q19 the awesomest move ever
Pinguschaf [?\]: b14?
floating [?\]: losing by 0.5p is still a loss
Warfreak2 [4d\]: do not b14
sewr243: b15
Warfreak2 [4d\]: capture a stone, that's far better
Pinguschaf [?\]: haha, i missread coordinates
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if you put a black stone at b15, then you lose a18 and b18 territory too
Warfreak2 [4d\]: n10 also quite big
Hellhuman [1d\]: w gets good yose, doesnt he?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: since k10 is w sente
sewr243: k10 is sente?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: of course
sewr243: ic
Warfreak2 [4d\]: or you can sac another stone at h10 and take both j11 k10
]
;W[dn]C[SIscurge [5d\]: b+10
ohno [3k?\]: who does seung-hee play today?
orioles: at least
]
;B[cn]C[ohno [3k?\]: cornelio?
Hellhuman [1d\]: eurogotv, u know how cornel did?
]
;W[be]
;B[bf]
;W[ad]C[sewr243: k10?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: cornel still playing
Turnipsi [1d\]: k10 is gote
Itserroth: but its tengen
Warfreak2 [4d\]: k10 not gote
floating [?\]: soon it is big enough ?
ohno [3k?\]: unfortunately this game is not close
sewr243: [1d\]: k10 is gote = [4d\]: k10 not gote
ohno [3k?\]: sewr, so what you're saying is 4d reading might be better than 1d? stunning.
Warfreak2 [4d\]: white k10 has h10 followup
Itserroth: and it is Tengen, most powerful of all 9 stars
Turnipsi [1d\]: meant gote for black, for the reason you just said
Warfreak2 [4d\]: that's not gote for black either
Warfreak2 [4d\]: even if it's not black's sente, it's reverse sente, not gote
Warfreak2 [4d\]: gote is worth half of reverse sente
]
;B[dp]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: but black can k10 and then cut at l11
Thoravatar [3d\]: it is small anyway
reflex: I count white 71 on the board
dsfjdegh [4k?\]: Great!
U505 [7k\]: why dont relay Cornel's game?
nanotech [2k\]: w may win on persistance\\
dsfjdegh [4k?\]: 讚
HegeKgs [5k\]: can white follow o9 to o10
HegeKgs [5k\]: ?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: yes but it's bad
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w rather n10
ohno [3k?\]: because only the top 2 are relayed?
Ranchan [-\]: b is ahead like 15 points?
Syu [1k\]: board priority
globax [3d\]: s6 7points ?
Thoravatar [3d\]: don;t know the order of moves until now, tough to relay
reflex: for black, 89
dsfjdegh [4k?\]: 好
reflex: so, my count is b+10.5
ohno [3k?\]: how can w win?
gnarf [1k\]: where are they on time?
gogonuts [5d\]: surely, b leading by atleast 5
gogonuts [5d\]: and everything is safe
globax [3d\]: i would s6
gogonuts [5d\]: so w might resign here
audio [1k\]: for O9 area w n10 ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: black has 1 h 23mn left, white has 39mn left
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w wants to ignore
gnarf [1k\]: thx
globax [3d\]: he can
Caelum [3k\]: are you sure ?
nanotech [2k\]: it is very even without komi...
globax [3d\]: about 5 points here, s6 bigger
dsfjdegh [4k?\]: 好多人在說話喔
dsfjdegh [4k?\]: 而且都是英文
Ranchan [-\]: lets ask se
O3epo: the close result
globax [3d\]: or h10
dsfjdegh [4k?\]: 我都看不懂=_=|||
nanotech [2k\]: n10 better
Caelum [3k\]: more than 5 points here globax
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;W[ep]
;B[bg]C[globax [3d\]: ok
Goreon [3d\]: so b slightly ahead in this close game?
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;W[cl]C[nanotech [2k\]: c8
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;B[am]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: s6 pretty big
globax [3d\]: now s6 seems the biggest
Luffyy [3d\]: yeah
globax [3d\]: n10 first?
Itserroth: t6
mmp [9k\]: K10 followed by N10
globax [3d\]: n10 quite sente ?
gogonuts [5d\]: last 5 points impossible to catch up
ohno [3k?\]: i think 5 is generous, gogo
gogonuts [5d\]: its the iron reserve :-)
ARRGHHH: generous to which player ?
ohno [3k?\]: w
U505 [7k\]: k10 
gogonuts [5d\]: nothinbg that w can do
U505 [7k\]: q13 
ohno [3k?\]: q13?!
gogonuts [5d\]: se is good enough to show w is hopeless - se thinks its close, with all those w phantom points
ohno [3k?\]: do you think b needs more points?
U505 [7k\]: is W turn now
Weishenme [5d\]: some phantom points for b alos around H6
Weishenme [5d\]: also
gogonuts [5d\]: yes, but no comparison
TurtleDove [4k\]: be sure B has counted
Weishenme [5d\]: with SE
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;W[qa]C[audio [1k\]: yosepints for w: g5  n10  k10  a11 s6 r19 
Thoravatar [3d\]: please don
sewr243: w is not strong enough to see it's hopeless?
ohno [3k?\]: yose pints?
Thoravatar [3d\]: please don't use SE in serious discussion
audio [1k\]: oi
ohno [3k?\]: is that why so many europeans lose in endgame?
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;B[pb]
;W[na]C[reflex: sewr243: have you ever played in a tournament?
audio [1k\]: lol
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;B[ra]
;W[oa]
;B[rb]C[Weishenme [5d\]: then tengen followe by N10 is quite big
gogonuts [5d\]: i like yose pints - the pints you need to finish a pub game
sewr243: no, why?
reflex: yea, exactly..
Weishenme [5d\]: d
mmp [9k\]: Even with phantom points I make it that black is about 3 points ahead.
OWNAGE [3d\]: I say
OWNAGE [3d\]: Winners gonn win
Gorim [3k\]: is O10 big
Weishenme [5d\]: b A12 is huge
Gorim [3k\]: or small and gote?
Byakuran [4k\]: SE says white's winning
gogonuts [5d\]: ohno is right that 5 points is generous, its more 10 for b
Gorim [3k\]: guess even N10 better
U505 [7k\]: N10 betetr than O10
Caelum [3k\]: SE say Ilya leading by 350pts in the other game
Caelum [3k\]: :)
Thoravatar [3d\]: a12 doesnt seem to be good
Weishenme [5d\]: O10 weak move
gogonuts [5d\]: that must be why fj resigned
Caelum [3k\]: :D
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: b really ahead
ohno [3k?\]: 350 is impressive
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;W[ai]C[gogonuts [5d\]: s6 now?
ohno [3k?\]: i guess w will play to the bitter end
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;B[rn]
;W[sn]C[gogonuts [5d\]: or just c13?
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;B[so]
;W[sm]
;B[pn]
;W[qm]C[Minjhou [-\]: no points in the center nor in the bottom center?
Thoravatar [3d\]: a11 not good either
Minjhou [-\]: seems quite open to me
Thoravatar [3d\]: s6 is big
TurtleDove [4k\]: heh, now SE changed his mind :D
gogonuts [5d\]: hoping that bs brain might stall without food
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;B[hp]
;W[hq]C[ohno [3k?\]: i'd love to see some european defeat this korean, though
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;B[cg]C[gogonuts [5d\]: not today
ohno [3k?\]: today is last chance, no?
U505 [7k\]: i'll love to see people stop the nationalistic chauvinism
sewr243: no way to beat korean
gogonuts [5d\]: oh right, well then it wont happen
ARRGHHH: i'd love to cure cancer
Caelum [3k\]: they keep well their secrets 
Caelum [3k\]: :D
gogonuts [5d\]: 10 points is starting to look generous
ohno [3k?\]: "nationalistic chauvinism" wth is that? lol
MaxMakinen [1k\]: tommorow still, top8 european go into the knock-off tournament after round7 i think?
eslite [2k\]: even koreans cant beat koreans
Goreon [3d\]: k10 ?
ARRGHHH: haha
Reym [-\]: they still do that?
ohno [3k?\]: first, europe is not a nation, second, chauvinism?
Caelum [3k\]: Diana koszegi beat a korean 8p
ohno [3k?\]: thirs, i'm american
Caelum [3k\]: :)
ARRGHHH: how many handicap was it ?
Caelum [3k\]: without
ARRGHHH: ooh, that's interesting
ohno [3k?\]: cornel might win his game. no one knows how he is doing
mihi [5d\]: Did Pop win?
Caelum [3k\]: do you want kifu ? 
ohno [3k?\]: cornel is playing seung hee
Hellhuman [1d\]: n10 ?
swed [3k\]: O10
sewr243: w still torture this game?
ohno [3k?\]: anti was unlucky. looks like the only european to get paird with seung hee and jun hyup
Thoravatar [3d\]: i believe t6 was a mistake as well
Arhiman [3d\]: still 4 days to go
Thoravatar [3d\]: antti is sloppy with yose
reflex: I think antti plays good yose
ohno [3k?\]: due to those yose pints no doubt
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;W[ip]C[Thoravatar [3d\]: T6 is smaller than c14 for sure
]
;B[io]C[tapir [1d?\]: Antti wrote on his blog yose is the most fun part of the game. Sth. I never heard from other amateur players.
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;W[gp]
;B[ho]C[sewr243: lol, t6 smaller than c14...
eslite [2k\]: it's called irony
forgotten [6d\]: when you are winning yose is really fun to play
U505 [7k\]: yose is fun only when you are 40 points ahead
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;W[jo]C[forgotten [6d\]: right:D
forgotten [6d\]: when you are playing someone strong and are winning 2-3 pts, yose is not fun at all :P
gogonuts [5d\]: what would you think of a guy running around with a t-shirt "i like yose"?
Caelum [3k\]: haha
]
;B[mj]C[ohno [3k?\]: io'd keep my children away from such a man
Kanin [-\]: so black is leading iwth about 14-15 points?
Goreon [3d\]: yose is fun when you are slightly behind, but have the better anedgame on the board...7
nanotech [2k\]: bitter
sewr243: yeah, "i like yose" similar to "i like kids"
ohno [3k?\]: no. similar to "i am absolutely insane"
Thoravatar [3d\]: how big was O10 for white
mmp [9k\]: Not as big as N10
Thoravatar [3d\]: i am sure it was bigger than T6, but don't know how to count it exactly
mmp [9k\]: Black playing at N10 cost white somethng like 7 points
ohno [3k?\]: o10 very bad move
SIscurge [5d\]: b+16
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;W[hj]
;B[gk]
;W[ii]
;B[fj]
;W[jh]
;B[li]C[nanotech [2k\]: w lost 1`0 pts in 3 moves
]
;W[ig]
;B[hh]C[Thoravatar [3d\]: o 10 was not a bad move
sewr243: b+17,5
ARRGHHH: i think bad might be a misunderstatement
ohno [3k?\]: it is, thor
ohno [3k?\]: or was
mmp [9k\]: White o10 black 011 white n10 black n11 is really bad for white
Thoravatar [3d\]: right
sewr243: it was good for w
Thoravatar [3d\]: sequence is right, but i rate it as good for white
mmp [9k\]: white then has to play m10 or m9 and black plays m11 and erases white territory
ohno [3k?\]: n10 > o10 for w
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: white resigns
ohno [3k?\]: gg
Thoravatar [3d\]: worth around 6 points gote
sewr243: why?
H16 [2d\]: finally
ohno [3k?\]: ty for relaying
thekro [3k\]: yhx Euro
sewr243: why now?
thekro [3k\]: thx even
SIscurge [5d\]: hmmm
SIscurge [5d\]: I want Palko on broadcast, his games are so interessting!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: too much points behind
elfking [3k\]: ..
sewr243: ...
Kanin [-\]: too many*
U505 [7k\]: too much money
Lionking [?\]: how many more rounds of this main tournament left?
chachu [1k\]: thomas won?
Syu [1k\]: 4
Ranchan [-\]: 4-5 me thinks
Lionking [?\]: and then play offs?
Kanin [-\]: they start the knock-out pretty early these dyas, right?
ARRGHHH: wow this game was really something, with the top right, top left, bottom right, bottom left, and even the middle
Kanin [-\]: foolish, if you ask me
Ranchan [-\]: whites fuseki was weird
Caelum [3k\]: Euro, do you know if Thomas debarre won ?
papadog [6k\]: eurogo, what atou
Ranchan [-\]: he wen all in for moyo and failed at it right away
SIscurge [5d\]: still no results of the weekend?
papadog [6k\]: eurogo, what about board 3, did
papadog [6k\]:  silt won?
SIscurge [5d\]: http://www.egc2012.eu/congress/main-tournaments/weekend-tournament/results-weekend-tournament
sewr243: simara lost?
DejMiPivo [6k?\]: How is Silt doing?
KCN [1k\]: this vas Antyplay
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: you saw pierre audouard resign against li yue, and now see cornel on video stream
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b got both n10 and s6?
soraaaa [17k?\]: w won OO?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w resigned
gnarf [1k\]: thx eurogotv
soraaaa [17k?\]: wow
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: cornel resigned too
grumpyjoe [-\]: aww
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thanks for aatching
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: watching
grumpyjoe [-\]: thanks eurogo
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: see you tomorrow
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: bye
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