(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[EGC2012 MAIN tournament round 6 board 2]PW[Franz-Josef DICKHUT]PB[Ilya SHIKSHIN]WR[6d]BR[7d]DT[2012-07-30]PC[Bonn, Germany]US[Olivier Dulac]C[BrianH [10k\]: ?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: connection is beyond terrible ... so please be patient during the game : i'll reconnect asap when disconnected. and there may be lag
SIscurge [5d\]: Yeah :) no problem 
mate105 [3d\]: hello
BrianH [10k\]: it is too slow
Goreon [3d\]: they played twice in a tournament both won by Ilya
Reym [-\]: how was the weekend tournament?
Reym [-\]: any results online?
elmex [6k\]: i believe, if they are online, they are somewhere on http://www.egc2012.eu
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;B[cp]C[Reym [-\]: ok thanks, i'll take another look then
Katchumo [3k\]: @reym: goklubusti.wz.cz/out/bonn2012-w.pdf
Katchumo [3k\]: there you can find a least a picture of the weekend-tournament results
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: trying another connection. not sure if video feed will pass through on that one
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;W[qo]C[Reym [-\]: thanks Katchumo! perfect!
Backflash [6k\]: kakari all the way!
RapyutaF [3d\]: have video?
elmex [6k\]: that looks like a print of http://www.egc2012.eu/congress/main-tournaments/open-european-championship/results-main-tournament-round-5
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;B[pm]C[elmex [6k\]: no video, they seem to have bad internet connection again.
primevoice: who win?
elmex [6k\]: black wins
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: video is being recorded offline though
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: sorry for this
KurataSan [1d\]: euro go tv
KurataSan [1d\]: r u in germany now?
Reym [-\]: no elmex, it's really the weekend tournament in Katchumo's link
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yes, in Bonn
Reym [-\]: thks for trying Eurogo
KurataSan [1d\]: wah so u r recording it from the real game
ShenWei [2k\]: no internet in bonn :-(
KurataSan [1d\]: i thought u were recording it from the camera
KurataSan [1d\]: lol
elmex [6k\]: Reym: oh, i was confusd with the first place :)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: indeed 
RapyutaF [3d\]: ohh =(
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: ^^ camera are ours
Reym [-\]: yes elmex it's the same :)
KurataSan [1d\]: ah
KurataSan [1d\]: nice
KurataSan [1d\]: wats ur name
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: olivier
KurataSan [1d\]: oh
KurataSan [1d\]: name in kgs?
Caode [16k\]: Franz-Josef... whatnow?
KurataSan [1d\]: dick out
KurataSan [1d\]: dickhut*
Thoravatar [3d\]: honest mistake
Caode [16k\]: Alright then.
BongoBob [6k\]: does franz play on kgs?
Goreon [3d\]: as fj, yes47
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: <-- edheldil on kgs 
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;W[on]C[Thoravatar [3d\]: hmm creative joseki's, is that the way to play against Ilya?
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;B[np]C[gogonuts [5d\]: there is almost no way :-)
Thoravatar [3d\]: i bet this game will be short
Gorim [3k\]: well on kgs they would play with 3 stone handicap
Thoravatar [3d\]: I allready prefer black, how to use this knights move effectively?
mooooo [6k\]: kgs ranks doesnt matter
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;W[pl]C[Vogel [2k?\]: :)
gogonuts [5d\]: oops
KurataSan [1d\]: oh 3k kgs
gogonuts [5d\]: special move :-)
KurataSan [1d\]: nice
primevoice: q8 not tesuji
Vogel [2k?\]: ob das vorbereitet war?
SImikin [1k\]: is this common?
SIscurge [5d\]: I saw this play by some korean agaisnt catalin. p7 r7 
mooooo [6k\]: bestimmt
primevoice: so bad
Damasippus [7k?\]: Never seen this move before
ohlord [2d\]: still joseki
gogonuts [5d\]: normal choice is between p7 and s3
primevoice: p7
KurataSan [1d\]: wah
KurataSan [1d\]: looks very cool
gogonuts [5d\]: q8 will avoid a big fight here
KurataSan [1d\]: maybe p7 maybe r7
ohlord [2d\]: p7 and r4 are in the books now :-(
x0000 [-\]: just j3 ?
gogonuts [5d\]: right
Thoravatar [3d\]: i hope franz prepared this
mihi [5d\]: R4
gogonuts [5d\]: tenuki to j3
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;B[iq]C[ohlord [2d\]: ähh this way :-)
Thoravatar [3d\]: could be interesting
x0000 [-\]: =)
gogonuts [5d\]: found it
KurataSan [1d\]: nice
gogonuts [5d\]: +thats not good for fj 
KurataSan [1d\]: good job gogo
SIscurge [5d\]: next p7 r7 o6 r6 o7 good for b
gogonuts [5d\]: more importantly, ilya found it :-)
KurataSan [1d\]: d4/d5/d6/c3
KurataSan [1d\]: /g3
SImikin [1k\]: ilya will ceash fj
SImikin [1k\]: crash
KurataSan [1d\]: w is fj?
gogonuts [5d\]: maybe d5 c5 d6 c7 c3 
Blaubaer [5d\]: hm q8 sthg new?
KurataSan [1d\]: w's fj?
Krautrock [12k\]: fj= franz joseph 
Krautrock [12k\]: black
Krautrock [12k\]: w
KurataSan [1d\]: lol
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yes (see the game rules)
Goreon [3d\]: difficult choice here
gogonuts [5d\]: after q8, w has no good way to remove aji
ohlord [2d\]: hmmm, after d5 not d4 and cut?
gogonuts [5d\]: w p7 would be overconcentrated
Gorim [3k\]: I found it a bit disturbing to be names same as Austrian Emperor:P
gogonuts [5d\]: otoh, b cant do so much either
ohlord [2d\]: j3 works with the cut or not?
LeonEuler [5k\]: p7 s thick not overconcentrated
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;W[cm]C[KurataSan [1d\]: maybe r14?
SIscurge [5d\]: I think P7 is correct here O4 not so strong
gogonuts [5d\]: in the end, w q8 incurs a slight loss, in exchange for peace
primevoice: d5 only
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;B[do]
;W[cj]C[LeonEuler [5k\]: d3 probably
gogonuts [5d\]: this is also possible, ofcourse
KurataSan [1d\]: nice
KurataSan [1d\]: but f4
KurataSan [1d\]: is a bit painful
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;B[dq]C[gogonuts [5d\]: d3 is the honte
KurataSan [1d\]: wat is honte
LeonEuler [5k\]: f4 kind of soft buecase white can live later
KurataSan [1d\]: dont remember haha
gogonuts [5d\]: better than chasing the board with f17
IlanKeshet [3k\]: honte = honest and solid move
Blaubaer [5d\]: after f4 b3 maybe nice
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;W[io]C[x0000 [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Honte
LeonEuler [5k\]: or just push with f3 and then jump c2
gogonuts [5d\]: j5 is too early imo
KurataSan [1d\]: g4?
gogonuts [5d\]: w can easily lose the sente he needs for the top
KurataSan [1d\]: and lol tv2 is in top and not tv1
mooooo [6k\]: oh boy
SIscurge [5d\]: w made this very uncomfourtable for himself very easily. Q8 and C7 are strange moves
gogonuts [5d\]: time for ilya to have a good think :-)
KurataSan [1d\]: un*comfortable
Damasippus [7k?\]: c7 is surely a joseki
Blaubaer [5d\]: q8 new move @Siscurge ?
primevoice: l4?
LeonEuler [5k\]: l4 seems better direction
KurataSan [1d\]: no u sls
Goreon [3d\]: just l4 , yes
gogonuts [5d\]: c7 was normal imo
SIscurge [5d\]: no, it was played before
primevoice: but b can p7move
primevoice: so likes fight
SIscurge [5d\]: but isn't anymore because of bad aji I think
primevoice: j7?
LeonEuler [5k\]: k18?
AlpnCactus [6k\]: Are we still not getting live feeds on EuroGoTV?
Blaubaer [5d\]: ok thx Sisc.
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;B[oq]C[gogonuts [5d\]: logical w play after b L4
Blaubaer [5d\]: id k16 or sthg
gogonuts [5d\]: L4 was too simple imo
ohlord [2d\]: hmmm dont agree with b, looks 2 small
SIscurge [5d\]: haha funny info blaubaer :D
gogonuts [5d\]: i understand that b didnt want to avoid trouble after the good start
gogonuts [5d\]: but w caught up some
forgotten [6d\]: no l4 looks proper
Damasippus [7k?\]: d3 and e6 later for w
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;W[ep]C[SIscurge [5d\]: Hmm if w would have added P7 later he could have crosscut q2 (after r2) giving him a slightly better result
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;B[eo]C[koreana [2k\]: ilya used play blitz in KGS , right?
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;W[hq]C[Damasippus [7k?\]: e4 looks very heavy to my eyes
RapyutaF [3d\]: light
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Sorry for the connection problem, video is unavailable right noz
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;W[ir]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: now
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;W[jq]C[koreana [2k\]: damas , u must be strong 7k?. me no idea, >,< damn ! weak 2k
lexterrae [9k\]: this is fuseki?
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;W[ir]C[holynec [-\]: NO SWEARING ON KGS
holynec [-\]: !
mooooo [6k\]: shut up
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;B[gq]C[LeonEuler [5k\]: everything can be fuseki
koreana [2k\]: *x*
LeonEuler [5k\]: not like chess openings
Damasippus [7k?\]: My feeling is that w is trying too hard, too early
Blaubaer [5d\]: not sure if this is thta good for w
lexterrae [9k\]: fask game
gogonuts [5d\]: cant start the ko right now
gogonuts [5d\]: but not bad for w imo, to have this time bomb
primevoice: w leads
zum [-\]: primevoice=se
lexterrae [9k\]: better for w i think
ohlord [2d\]: i would take w now (but not ilya as opp o.c.) :-))
Egg [8k\]: connecting posible ?
gogonuts [5d\]: oh lord
Goreon [3d\]: b has his cash...7
Blaubaer [5d\]: and w his weak group
Damasippus [7k?\]: w just got himself a heavy group srely
gogonuts [5d\]: switch to o17?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: g4 mandatory here?
forgotten [6d\]: no way =P
gogonuts [5d\]: g4 is heavy
SIscurge [5d\]: connecting j3 makes a nice shape, announcig w's death :D 
zum [-\]: nothing is mandatory anymore
Blaubaer [5d\]: maybe d2 and  start creating kothreats?
gogonuts [5d\]: w has to wait until g2 becomes feasable
forgotten [6d\]: d2 will not create kothreats
TheClown [2d\]: must leave it
zum [-\]: what will d2 create?
Blaubaer [5d\]: but w cant play g4?
TheClown [2d\]: when white have kothreats he can continue here
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;W[nc]C[TheClown [2d\]: yeah
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: ??
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;B[qf]C[primevoice: b gets only under side
koreana [2k\]: hehe, he heard you clown.
LeonEuler [5k\]: way too heavy
gogonuts [5d\]: just play a "normal" game at the top
ohlord [2d\]: k16 next?
TheClown [2d\]: q15 is kind of threat now
Blaubaer [5d\]: ok wait for the timebomb ...
gogonuts [5d\]: maybe g17 now
forgotten [6d\]: just q18 i guess
gogonuts [5d\]: to create a fighting position at the top
TheClown [2d\]: could  g2
forgotten [6d\]: no
Pinguschaf [?\]: i see no fighting comming with g17
TheClown [2d\]: g2 and use q15 as threat
gogonuts [5d\]: alfter ilya invades :-)
Pinguschaf [?\]: shoud play o15 if u wanna get invaded
TheClown [2d\]: q15 is a big threat
forgotten [6d\]: o15 looks good
Pinguschaf [?\]: g17 makes the position calm
forgotten [6d\]: then b q18
gogonuts [5d\]: and if ilya cant invade, because he worries about the ko, thats profitable for w too
forgotten [6d\]: w g17
forgotten [6d\]: also interesting
primevoice: w want ko threat
Blaubaer [5d\]: y g17 looks nice
Damasippus [7k?\]: The more I look the less I like w's position at the bottom
TheClown [2d\]: g2 - j3 q15 and now aht
Pinguschaf [?\]: im not saying its bad, just i dont believe g17 leads to some hot fight
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;W[gp]C[gogonuts [5d\]: oops
forgotten [6d\]: ...
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;B[iq]C[SIscurge [5d\]: wow so soon
Pinguschaf [?\]: thats horrible
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;W[pe]
;B[qe]C[TheClown [2d\]: yeah
gogonuts [5d\]: thats poor, imo
forgotten [6d\]: lol
Blaubaer [5d\]: dont like g4
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;W[ir]C[forgotten [6d\]: i want to stop watching
gogonuts [5d\]: i hate it :-)
Blaubaer [5d\]: me 2
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;B[om]C[TheClown [2d\]: but g2 would be more forceful
Blaubaer [5d\]: i hate it
Damasippus [7k?\]: Offensive to the eye
koreana [2k\]: i don't like ko.
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;W[qm]
;B[iq]C[LeonEuler [5k\]: dont like ko dont play go = proverb
TheClown [2d\]: kos are great
Egg [8k\]: a move like q15 loses points doesn't it ?
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;W[fo]C[ohlord [2d\]: but not this
mooooo [6k\]: for some reason l2 looks far more atractiv then g2 to my eye
Blaubaer [5d\]: hehe nice trick
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(;B[jp]C[Egg [8k\]: oh, undo
koreana [2k\]: lol to Eurogotv2
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;W[dr]C[SIscurge [5d\]: why make q15 r15 exchange if you will play F5
TheClown [2d\]: yes Egg 
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;B[cr]C[BongoBob [6k\]: o_O
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;W[dp]
;B[cq]C[Blaubaer [5d\]: yes Sisc
Egg [8k\]: thx
SIscurge [5d\]: Only reason could be that P7 R7 is minus but It is the correct shape in the situation so..
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;W[en]C[SIscurge [5d\]: (like bigger minus)
Blaubaer [5d\]: hm w has p7 to compensate
TheClown [2d\]: it thik g2 was better than g4
gogonuts [5d\]: g4 turned a b problem into a w problem
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;B[cn]
;W[dn]
;B[co]C[koreana [2k\]: ko is harmful to my heart.
primevoice: w won
primevoice: big center
gogonuts [5d\]: i take b now
primevoice: k16
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: kos are in part responsible for global warming
TheClown [2d\]: i think result ok for white
gogonuts [5d\]: bomb fizzled
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(;B[hp]C[mooooo [6k\]: hahaha
mooooo [6k\]: xD
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;W[dr]
;B[cr]
;W[dp]
;B[cq]C[TheClown [2d\]: he give away q15 r15 exchange - but make shape for his troublesome group
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;W[en]
;B[cn]
;W[dn]C[Damasippus [7k?\]: ah this looks better
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;B[co]
;W[ho]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: sorry
BongoBob [6k\]: heh
gogonuts [5d\]: b simple f17?
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;B[jd]C[Blaubaer [5d\]: y maybe
gogonuts [5d\]: hm, k16 looks better :-)
ohlord [2d\]: q17 2 settle the shape now?
vasilisk [1d\]: gogonuts, why k16 is better?
vasilisk [1d\]: plz teach ^^ 
xasdasdx [7k\]: takes side and stares menacingly at white stones all over the place?
Egg [8k\]: maybe because a 7d played it ?
SIscurge [5d\]: F 17 w can easily pincer with J17 forming an active shape
SIscurge [5d\]: K17 is not affraid of H17 because it leaves san san open and can attack o17
O3epo: eurogptv video work?
xasdasdx [7k\]: san san ?
SIscurge [5d\]: 3-3 point
Backflash [6k\]: o17 q15 weak, k16 gives a bit more control over the space?
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;W[pc]C[gogonuts [5d\]: becuase k16 takes the w thickness at the bottom into account better
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;B[od]
;W[oc]
;B[qc]C[Blaubaer [5d\]: thickness?
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;W[qb]C[Blaubaer [5d\]: with f6 cut?
gogonuts [5d\]: semi-thickness :-)
SIscurge [5d\]: 50%wall 50%loop hole :)
Blaubaer [5d\]: ok :-)
vasilisk [1d\]: thx SIscurge 
gogonuts [5d\]: k16 also pressured o17, so b should get f17 anyways
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;B[fc]C[LeonEuler [5k\]: influence =/ thick
vasilisk [1d\]: thx gogonuts
profan [-\]: w looks better to me
Goreon [3d\]: E18?
TheClown [2d\]: thought of d17
gogonuts [5d\]: maybe its about fair now
profan [-\]: d14 too slow?
O3epo: eurogptv video work?
gogonuts [5d\]: j5 + r3 certainly worked great for w
TheClown [2d\]: think d14 ok also
Caelum [3k\]: not yet
prohogiy [4k\]: Илья карает))
TheClown [2d\]: but i feel for d17
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;W[fd]C[vasilisk [1d\]: ага=)
gogonuts [5d\]: L5 was just too easy going
profan [-\]: wow this move looks better
gogonuts [5d\]: L4 sry
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;B[gd]
;W[fe]C[gogonuts [5d\]: that was fast
gogonuts [5d\]: e17 was also possible
Damasippus [7k?\]: I would prefer to have c10 at d10 now
Backflash [6k\]: ниче он пока не карает, черный отвратно стоит, придется лезть в пекло
gogonuts [5d\]: im surprised fj chose so quickly
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;B[cc]C[TheClown [2d\]: i not
TheClown [2d\]: he made the decision before
profan [-\]: c10 is good for c7 
gogonuts [5d\]: you must be right
TheClown [2d\]: he know how he continue after f16
primevoice: g16 stone sicho?
profan [-\]: time to fight?
TheClown [2d\]: looks ok for white
TheClown [2d\]: e17
gogonuts [5d\]: dont get funky now with c16, fj :-)
vasilisk [1d\]: бэкфлеш, ниче не понял, чесна) учитывая, что Илья черными
primevoice: c16 move nad g17 sicho move for white?
gogonuts [5d\]: just the normal e17
TheClown [2d\]: e17 is in the book
SIscurge [5d\]: I don't like F16 :/
Blaubaer [5d\]: me 2 cant see w gain
TheClown [2d\]: f16 is not my style - but it looks ok
Backflash [6k\]: can't w just play c16 and be happy with moyo?
gogonuts [5d\]: the idea behind f16 is that if b e17 instead of c17, after w d17 k16 is misplaced
irrcava [9k\]: wont have moyo without a further move i think
TheClown [2d\]: c16 is too passive
xasdasdx [7k\]: what about cutting at g17?
profan [-\]: i like e17 
TheClown [2d\]: u let black get it too easy on upperside
Backflash [6k\]: e17 end not very good if i remember corectly
Blaubaer [5d\]: after w e17 b c16 w "thickness" is wasted? 
TheClown [2d\]: c14
TheClown [2d\]: after c16
gogonuts [5d\]: e17 c16 c14 
Backflash [6k\]: yea, and b is that kind of player
profan [-\]: black is 4 stones w is 7 stones on top, just cut and lose with honour ^^
JEGO [7k\]: Is there a video?
TheClown [2d\]: black gets some life in corner but upperside stones are weak
KurataSan [1d\]: wat
Slug [1k\]: and white gets a nice potential on the left no to mention
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;W[cd]C[KurataSan [1d\]: did u ppl know
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;B[dc]
;W[ec]
;B[eb]
;W[ed]C[TheClown [2d\]: what
KurataSan [1d\]: that go seigen is still alive?... he is 98 years old lol
gogonuts [5d\]: fj didnt listen, got funky :-)
TheClown [2d\]: is he serious
Backflash [6k\]: so?
TheClown [2d\]: it is kyu style
Cezary [5d\]: oh no he didnt play according to the book
Cezary [5d\]: SO WRONG
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;B[gb]C[Caelum [3k\]: :o
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;W[ge]C[gogonuts [5d\]: its not 100% wrong :-)
Cezary [5d\]: so why so much fuss about it
gogonuts [5d\]: but b wont answer here
profan [-\]: w moyo is not so nice to see
Blaubaer [5d\]: this is better than e17 variation imo
TheClown [2d\]: it is way u play in handicap as black
Damasippus [7k?\]: This would have been my choice, otherwise w's stones aren't cooperating globalls
Damasippus [7k?\]: globally*
gogonuts [5d\]: how about b b7 now?
O3epo: VIDEO WORK?
Backflash [6k\]: overplay time?
gogonuts [5d\]: no
Backflash [6k\]: =\\
Caelum [3k\]: see by yourself o3epo
gogonuts [5d\]: i prefer b now
Backflash [6k\]: sad
profan [-\]: h16 looks sente 
Backflash [6k\]: ilya is cool overplayer
Backflash [6k\]: how is h16 sente? w will just protect that mad moyo ofet that?
Backflash [6k\]: after*
Blaubaer [5d\]: f6? fight and ruin the moyo?
lelouch94 [2k\]: i think at this level nothing is overplay xD
TheClown [2d\]: i also look alot on f6
gogonuts [5d\]: b might also send in the paratroopers around h11
profan [-\]: if w j16 k16 gets weak and top will be painful for black
Backflash [6k\]: maybe some preparatory work before f6?
TheClown [2d\]: f6 seems to way to start reduce
profan [-\]: c8 looks nice moyo-breaker ^^
Vogel [2k?\]: d7 sieht doch auch gut aus
gogonuts [5d\]: c8 is too tough imo
Itserroth: nicht :p
profan [-\]: i cant argue with 5d ^^
O3epo: VIDEO WORK?  give me adress
TheClown [2d\]: agree gogonuts, but also looked at it
Krautrock [12k\]: it doesnt work O3epo
Caelum [3k\]: i dont understand F6
Krautrock [12k\]: cause of internet problemes they have
Krautrock [12k\]: they re recording it offline
TurtleDove [4k\]: I would wonder whether to play h16 gote or not
Backflash [6k\]: ilya wouldn't, i hope
profan [-\]: if black answers h16 where would you play then?
Blaubaer [5d\]: caelum idea is to attack h5 and control w s middle moyo imo
TheClown [2d\]: j14
Caelum [3k\]: f6 f7 g6 g7 then what ? h6 j7 ?
Gouda [?\]: f10 too deep?
primevoice: only h16
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;B[ql]C[Backflash [6k\]: wow
TheClown [2d\]: well
gogonuts [5d\]: i like it
lelouch94 [2k\]: ahahaha that s ilya !
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: ilya did a lot of reading in that area
TheClown [2d\]: it is a move
Backflash [6k\]: fight moyo with moyo
gogonuts [5d\]: ask to get some clues about the top right
TheClown [2d\]: i like r8
profan [-\]: k16 pivotal now?
gogonuts [5d\]: r9 s8 s9 imo
Slug [1k\]: yeah r8 is great
Gouda [?\]: r8 s8 s7
gogonuts [5d\]: w still has s2
Slug [1k\]: this will certainly be useful
profan [-\]: s8 then r9 then h16 
gogonuts [5d\]: w s8 would be terrible
TheClown [2d\]: q6?
gogonuts [5d\]: i still take r9 s8 s9 
irrcava [9k\]: q6 looks simplest and gets rid of much aji
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: trying to switch connection... brb (hopefully with the video!).  board 1 video is working fine ( http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 )
profan [-\]: r6 q9 k15 ?
OasisDK [2k?\]: what is the time setting?
Banaan [1k\]: ultra blitz
LeonEuler [5k\]: q6 s7
Slug [1k\]: w resigned
SIscurge [5d\]: This is a scary move
O3epo: thanks euro
Slug [1k\]: immediate, short, and long term problems for white
Gouda [?\]: thanks euro------ said the greek
mooooo [6k\]: not the fault of euro but america
forgotten [6d\]: i think best is
forgotten [6d\]: s2 s3 r9 s8 s9 p8 q9 r6 s7 s6 t8 q6 h10 
forgotten [6d\]: seems playable for w
Slug [1k\]: and the ladder?
forgotten [6d\]: what ladder
Slug [1k\]: q8 is in a ladder if b ignores s2
forgotten [6d\]: then eat r2 stone i guess
Slug [1k\]: costs sente to stabalize
weiqidevil [-\]: why make the s2-s3-exchange?
gogonuts [5d\]: forgotten, s2 for s3 would certainly be useful - but can w get that exchange?
gogonuts [5d\]: to secure ko
gogonuts [5d\]: but maybe s2 r9 
weiqidevil [-\]: does white want to play ko?
Damasippus [7k?\]: if w s2 now I would r9
gogonuts [5d\]: w ants ko after w r9 and s9 :-)
Damasippus [7k?\]: b's group at the bottom is rock solid
forgotten [6d\]: should be okay exchange
forgotten [6d\]: for both sides
Slug [1k\]: Damasippus there are many moves around there that are creative and hard for white to stop
forgotten [6d\]: if w get to eat r2
forgotten [6d\]: also huge
gogonuts [5d\]: i think damas is right though :-)
Damasippus [7k?\]: but we are still not out of fuseki
TheClown [2d\]: i think q6 is good enuff
Damasippus [7k?\]: at the top and left are bigger at the moment imho
pilotpirx [3d\]: was forgotten vorschlägt ist echt zum vergessen
gogonuts [5d\]: if q6 b gets s7 and r9 - too good for b imo
Slug [1k\]: I was fairly sure black was winning before this new move.. the perfect timing of it is what makes me think black has this game
TheClown [2d\]: i get o7 afterwards
martin3141 [-\]: before r9, w might play p8
gogonuts [5d\]: martin, shouldnt he keep that in reserve?
martin3141 [-\]: isn't the p8-atari painful for w?
zum [-\]: depends
forgotten [6d\]: depends on what lol
forgotten [6d\]: either its painful or its not
Slug [1k\]: generally speaking, black has more choice than white here
forgotten [6d\]: not true at all
forgotten [6d\]: white has all the choices
zum [-\]: if w keeps his finger on p8
Slug [1k\]: not  true at all?
Slug [1k\]: white has ALL the choices?
zum [-\]: b's move gonna hurt
Slug [1k\]: do explain please
pilotpirx [3d\]: isnt q9 a ladder ?
Itserroth: well he is on the move :P
forgotten [6d\]: yes
Itserroth: he can read all variations :p
forgotten [6d\]: it's that simple
forgotten [6d\]: black has zero choices
TheClown [2d\]: i am only one who vote for q6?
forgotten [6d\]: depending on what white choose
LeonEuler [5k\]: white has the choice because whatever he decides black's response would be forced
forgotten [6d\]: it will be a oneway variation
forgotten [6d\]: yes leon is correct
Slug [1k\]: i disagree, next move black will have all the choices lol
forgotten [6d\]: no
forgotten [6d\]: if white play r9
forgotten [6d\]: black has only 1 choice, s8
Slug [1k\]: or r6
forgotten [6d\]: no r6 is not a choice
forgotten [6d\]: its a 20k move
LeonEuler [5k\]: lol
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;W[pk]C[Itserroth: :O
Luffyy [3d\]: nice
TheClown [2d\]: noone saw that thing comming
forgotten [6d\]: because its terrible..
OasisDK [2k?\]: gote?
Slug [1k\]: im not saying immediately
Slug [1k\]: look forgotten
gogonuts [5d\]: too fany imo
SIscurge [5d\]: what if he just r6?? its good for w?
primevoice: w want q6 cut
LeonEuler [5k\]: r6 
primevoice: and shibori
vannab [3k\]: r9
gogonuts [5d\]: r6 looks simple and good for b now
SIscurge [5d\]: I think the plan is to squeeze if he r6 but it looks odd for w
martin3141 [-\]: if r6, w can salvage the situation with sacrificing-tactics
Blaubaer [5d\]: after r6 ws2 aji reamins?
TheClown [2d\]: perhaps it works somehow
gogonuts [5d\]: im not sure, baer :-)
primevoice: b s6 then w q6 cut
prohogiy [4k\]: here watch online translation?
SIscurge [5d\]: r6 s7 s6 q6 s8 o7 t7 r7 s7 p8 r7 w has 2 cuts
Damasippus [7k?\]: Brave move
TheClown [2d\]: i think it is a good move
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;B[qn]C[Slug [1k\]: oh wow what a 20k move
TheClown [2d\]: guess it is a oneway street
]
;W[rm]C[Blaubaer [5d\]: hehe
TheClown [2d\]: cant call it 20 kyu
]
;B[rn]C[Slug [1k\]: well our local 6dan did
primevoice: q6
Slug [1k\]: to belittle me
thekro [3k\]: Slug: as a response to r8
TheClown [2d\]: white get some center influence in end - but in gote
Blaubaer [5d\]: w has more porbs lr imo
Blaubaer [5d\]: probs ops
Damasippus [7k?\]: porbs very important
Katchumo [3k\]: why are breakfast and catalin not playing on the egc?
Slug [1k\]: thekro, not as a response, just as a choice
mooooo [6k\]: catalibn there as pro
prohogiy [4k\]: q6?
pilotpirx [3d\]: q6
mooooo [6k\]: commenting games and stuff
TheClown [2d\]: it gives away lot of territory, so white need a lot from the moyo
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;W[pn]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: big lag (12 moves)
Blaubaer [5d\]: wow
primevoice: shibori
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;B[rl]C[Blaubaer [5d\]: what a onewaystreet
TheClown [2d\]: oneway street
prohogiy [4k\]: i think w overplay
prohogiy [4k\]: :)
primevoice: w cant s2 move after
SIscurge [5d\]: question is if b will p8 or not
prohogiy [4k\]: 2 problem group
Slug [1k\]: its one way... good for b
primevoice: w can s2
SIscurge [5d\]: probably yes o7 p8 o9 o6 
primevoice: now o7 only
Slug [1k\]: w had no choice but to make this sacrafice 
Slug [1k\]: you can always force one for one moves
Slug [1k\]: thats small minded
zum [-\]: o7 9
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: laaaag... i click and wait 1mn
zum [-\]: o7 o9
wojtek85 [1d\]: w aiming for big moyo i centre?
pilotpirx [3d\]: good for w
sewr243: what a disaster for w
Slug [1k\]: i only mean white had no choice but to do something sacraficial like this
TheClown [2d\]: o7 p9 n6
Goreon [3d\]: w stones are crying...
SIscurge [5d\]: :(
sewr243: game over
Slug [1k\]: B forced this and will STILL have choice in the end
pilotpirx [3d\]: game over for b
zum [-\]: o7 p8 o9
Slug [1k\]: forget your one move reposnse stuff
prohogiy [4k\]: for b? :)))
Slug [1k\]: its about options
elmex [6k\]: i have the feeling, that white didn't really found into the game
Slug [1k\]: in the end
Blaubaer [5d\]: w cant covver with o9 imo
martin3141 [-\]: w must cover with o9 imo
TheClown [2d\]: o9 blacko6 imediately
Blaubaer [5d\]: yes he must somehow but
Slug [1k\]: whites options were illusions
royu [4d\]: not sure what dickhut saw here....
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: lag is almost 5mn
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;W[nm]C[Blaubaer [5d\]: cool 5 mins
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;B[ol]
;W[nk]C[Slug [1k\]: what unit is mn? minute?
ohlord [2d\]: that sucks :-(
salu [2k\]: both off air now
TheClown [2d\]: cut
prohogiy [4k\]: o6?
]
;B[nn]C[Thoravatar [3d\]: hmm white is very thin
OasisDK [2k?\]: this is ugly
]
;W[nl]C[mooooo [6k\]: w has to o8?
mooooo [6k\]: yes
mooooo [6k\]: k
LeonEuler [5k\]: just give up whole corner
]
;B[sm]
;W[qm]
;B[rm]C[Backflash [6k\]: wow, left for 10 mins and come to this
]
;W[mn]
;B[no]C[salu [2k\]: cant keep the middle without getting reduced
]
;W[hd]C[mooooo [6k\]: o.O
zum [-\]: BackF is 6k!!
prohogiy [4k\]: oh, big center
prohogiy [4k\]: :))
Backflash [6k\]: h16 happend =\\
OasisDK [2k?\]: he's not going to keep the center that's for sure
mooooo [6k\]: h16 is a test?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: i let you ponder the follozing 10 moves a bit ^^
Backflash [6k\]: zum, im fake 6k
TheClown [2d\]: this looks impossible - whites moyo have no chance to compete with black
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: before transcribing them
zum [-\]: how fake?
prohogiy [4k\]: ахаха, файк 6кю)
Thoravatar [3d\]: now white is thicker (although bottom has defects, but corner looks relatively big to me
Backflash [6k\]: im really just 10k
Gouda [?\]: black has around 75 points?
thekro [3k\]: so was white planning on sacrificing all his corner stones all along after q9?
martin3141 [-\]: yes
Thoravatar [3d\]: k 11?
Caelum [3k\]: gouda, around 60pts
LeonEuler [5k\]: should've probably make s2 s3 exchange first
sewr243: j17
Thoravatar [3d\]: hmm maybe too deep, black doesnt need deep invasion
irrcava [9k\]: so w just got a little  o8 wall here ;/
Slug [1k\]: sacking those stones is painful for another reason... white has little chance to make their death useful in endgame
Caelum [3k\]: without stones 
martin3141 [-\]: white got sente, it's playable imo
mooooo [6k\]: w can still s2 and ko for life in corner?
LeonEuler [5k\]: no
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;B[nd]C[Thoravatar [3d\]: that ko is desperate
]
;W[gc]C[spider451 [1d\]: w+R
Damasippus [7k?\]: wow
]
;B[fb]C[Goreon [3d\]: Caelum, i think you count too passive
Slug [1k\]: its nice for white that each of his weaknesses dont communicate into one big one
]
;W[md]
;B[rb]C[Marek [5d\]: moyo is moyo
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;W[rc]C[Slug [1k\]: they are pretty isolated problems
]
;B[qd]
;W[pb]C[Thoravatar [3d\]: why more points, black..
Slug [1k\]: Are you sure Marek?
Caelum [3k\]: i dont think so goreon :)
martin3141 [-\]: are you a troll slug?
pilotpirx [3d\]: there is no ko at s2
Slug [1k\]: no
Thoravatar [3d\]: time for some center action?
Slug [1k\]: I am a skeptic
thekro [3k\]: j17 very big?
Thoravatar [3d\]: k14?
bkkboy [2k\]: i was just thinking k14
Marek [5d\]: b still can reduce in yose a lot...
MiraiNikki [4k?\]: SE very funny :p
xasdasdx [7k\]: gj se
Syu [1k\]: randy too strong
x0000 [-\]: lol
Thoravatar [3d\]: is k14 heavy?, i dont think so
Blaubaer [5d\]: haha se
Egg [8k\]: lol
thekro [3k\]: lol - SE doesn't count too passive ;)
prohogiy [4k\]: black 354.5
LeonEuler [5k\]: life death status is np hard
Slug [1k\]: This might be a good time for a parachute move
prohogiy [4k\]: shikshin, KILL OLL
prohogiy [4k\]: ))
coolbrain [6k\]: can b do something in the center?
Slug [1k\]: unless black thinkgs he can win outright
Goreon [3d\]: to me b is leading. just needs to reduce properly
Thoravatar [3d\]: don't dive, black has many points, no risks necessary
TheClown [2d\]: think i n15
Slug [1k\]: coolbrain, yes, thats what a parachute is.
prohogiy [4k\]: bad internet EuroGoTV
prohogiy [4k\]: :(
Caelum [3k\]: please randy, tell me how to kill :(
Slug [1k\]: play deep, fnd the escape later
Slug [1k\]: i like that rigt now actually
martin3141 [-\]: black is counting to find the move that's best balanced
ohlord [2d\]: rough stuff, if b fails the air-port sais "all lanes are closed" .-))
coolbrain [6k\]: but w all around... to escape will be really hard...
Slug [1k\]: a center play, w is hard pressed to kill
LeonEuler [5k\]: unless white can convert the whole center into territory black will win
TurtleDove [4k\]: just k14 maybe
Slug [1k\]: thats fair leon
Slug [1k\]: but he can also get a kill
Goreon [3d\]: l6 not small
TheClown [2d\]: k14 is ok i think
Slug [1k\]: or take the top arge
Slug [1k\]: large
Akari1 [1k\]: L7
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;B[me]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: grrrrrr frustrating : i click and wait betzeen 30s and more than 5mn for the move to appear (here i type this while waiting)
]
;W[ld]
;B[le]C[Caelum [3k\]: haha
]
;W[hb]
;B[ic]C[martin3141 [-\]: hope you memorize all the moves that they play :-)
Blaubaer [5d\]: euro tippt schneller als das netz
TurtleDove [4k\]: you have our sympathy Euro. so hard with lag
]
;W[hc]C[Minjhou [-\]: what about a mobile connection, like a smartphone?
Goreon [3d\]: why did w not j17?
colas [8k\]: he did
Minjhou [-\]: not for videostreaming
TheClown [2d\]: b17 big if white have kothreats
martin3141 [-\]: to get b17 in sente maybe?
prohogiy [4k\]: i think black easy win
zum [-\]: do bots escape?
lelouch94 [2k\]: me too
Blaubaer [5d\]: simply l15?
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;B[lb]C[LeonEuler [5k\]: black not easy win if 4k plays
Caelum [3k\]: you cannot say "easy win" during a game betwen 6d and 7d
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;W[mc]C[thekro [3k\]: zum: i don't know of any bots with escape code...
Slug [1k\]: you know bot code? like zen19d?
Moin9 [1k\]: I'm worried for white....ilja will surely invaded a big moyo
windows8 [5k\]: looks w ahead?
G0ldtree [6k\]: is white p9 interesting? Could threaten s7 make life for r5 ?
]
;B[jf]C[Caelum [3k\]: not really
thekro [3k\]: i don't know zen's code, no. but i'm on the computer-go mailing list, and if this was an issue, it would likely have been discussed there
IlanKeshet [3k\]: b has a lot of solid territory compared to w
Slug [1k\]: cool
]
;W[rr]C[LeonEuler [5k\]: white p9 is wasting threat
IlanKeshet [3k\]: ko
TheClown [2d\]: white looking for miracles now
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: (dramatic pause...)
martin3141 [-\]: probe
IlanKeshet [3k\]: ko
TheClown [2d\]: no ko
TheClown [2d\]: it is much dead
Blaubaer [5d\]: s4
U505 [7k\]: why more observers on this game?
Blaubaer [5d\]: what happens after w l15?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: blauber: you'll see ^^
prohogiy [4k\]: q2
mooooo [6k\]: woah here comes s2
rkda [6k\]: Ilya is better known on KGS
mooooo [6k\]: so w is desperate?
]
;B[po]C[mooooo [6k\]: good thing he isnt a housewife
Pinguschaf [?\]: no way thats what happened
Blaubaer [5d\]: ah i see
Blaubaer [5d\]: :-)
Striker [-\]: dickhut was  once known as the pink monster on kgs :D
IlanKeshet [3k\]: w lives?
TheClown [2d\]: nope
Slug [1k\]: no w is not deperate, this is calculated....
TheClown [2d\]: no hope
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;W[pr]C[prohogiy [4k\]: ..
Goreon [3d\]: striker, ist das künstliche legendenbildung?
Blaubaer [5d\]: s3?
prohogiy [4k\]: now alive
TheClown [2d\]: no hope
randomnick [2d\]: s3 
TheClown [2d\]: dead
U505 [7k\]: dont desperate when your group dies, make more points elsewhere
U505 [7k\]: or cry
TheClown [2d\]: r1
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: really alive?...
Striker [-\]: ne, er hatte früher eine foto mit pinken pulli als account bild
LeonEuler [5k\]: s3 = ko?
lelouch94 [2k\]: yep
prohogiy [4k\]: s3 ko )
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;B[rq]C[Striker [-\]: als er noch 9d war
Blaubaer [5d\]: s3 dead imo
TheClown [2d\]: or this
Striker [-\]: hier auf kgs
IlanKeshet [3k\]: s3 looks like ko to me
]
;W[rp]C[IlanKeshet [3k\]: seems 5d completely wrong
Blaubaer [5d\]: ops
TheClown [2d\]: ahh ko
Slug [1k\]: well its complex iiansket
Blaubaer [5d\]: hm s2 really ko?
Slayan [2k\]: flower ko :o
TheClown [2d\]: q5 must be mistake
U505 [7k\]: black missed
IlanKeshet [3k\]: right..... im sure black did not miss
Blaubaer [5d\]: s2 s4 w has sthg?
Newax [1d\]: s4  ended badly for w
Caelum [3k\]: q5 is not
Newax [1d\]: for b
pacpenguin [3k\]: who the hell said this game is over?
TheClown [2d\]: s4 was sure kill
Caelum [3k\]: this is the only choice
Caelum [3k\]: becaus s4 doesnt work
IlanKeshet [3k\]: if ilya didn't play it, then it wasn't a sure kill
Newax [1d\]: s4, b dead i think
U505 [7k\]: escaped?
Caelum [3k\]: black dead ? uh ?
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;B[qp]C[colas [8k\]: n16 alive? 
]
;W[ke]C[zum [-\]: where does the owner go all the time?
]
;B[kd]C[U505 [7k\]: to the bathroom
Slug [1k\]: bad connection
zum [-\]: small bladder
rkda [6k\]: bad connection from the tournament sight
U505 [7k\]: site*
IlanKeshet [3k\]: wait.. this is a very heavy ko isn't it?
rkda [6k\]: what U505 said
IlanKeshet [3k\]: oh nm b can connect with R10
Slug [1k\]: someone is playins sc2 on the same 56k connection
egornp [1d\]:  s19 need
TheClown [2d\]: not sure it was best threat
Caelum [3k\]: if black lose the ko, he can play p5
IlanKeshet [3k\]: uh.
IlanKeshet [3k\]: no
Damasippus [7k?\]: At the risk of insulting our hosts, seems a poor show that the richest country in Europe can't provide a decent internet connection
Slug [1k\]: lol
Slug [1k\]: that IS insulting
Slug [1k\]: haha
TurtleDove [4k\]: nice risk
Newax [1d\]: where is that ?
Damasippus [7k?\]: No, really, if the tournament was in Rumania, I's understand (no offense)
G0ldtree [6k\]: Richest in Europe is Liechtenstein
Blaubaer [5d\]: its in a small town
U505 [7k\]: Damasippus, Germany does not control all the internets
zum [-\]: actually, the county is rich but go is poor
zum [-\]: so no internet
LSF [?\]: it is more about organization than money
zum [-\]: organization costs money
zum [-\]: money buys organization
TheClown [2d\]: i think white play r3 now
TurtleDove [4k\]: W L14 any good ?
U505 [7k\]: amateur organizations are allways a bit lower than big companies in resources and oplanning
LSF [?\]: but you can`t buy organization, you have to create it
LeonEuler [5k\]: he is reading l14
zum [-\]: LSF: gro up
martin3141 [-\]: w can tenuki (ie. r3) but s19 will be painful
TheClown [2d\]: but what is wrong with r3
Newax [1d\]: has to l14 and leave ko as it is
U505 [7k\]: Damasippus, just meet more german girls, you'll change your mind
O3epo: w l15 misstake
prohogiy [4k\]: q18 alive?)
Damasippus [7k?\]: I live in Berlin, I have met plenty, and to be honest, I cannot recommend them.
Caelum [3k\]: your mind is in your pants ?
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;W[je]
;B[ie]C[bolbi [-\]: please
]
;W[kf]C[U505 [7k\]: ok, Bolbi
]
;B[id]
;W[mf]
;B[nf]C[TheClown [2d\]: wow
]
;W[lf]
;B[ne]C[Blaubaer [5d\]: ok action
TheClown [2d\]: looks like ok chance
viu30h [6k\]: live broadcast link pls
]
;W[if]C[IlanKeshet [3k\]: who needs the ko anyway
IlanKeshet [3k\]: stupid ko
]
;B[ib]
;W[jg]C[IlanKeshet [3k\]: what?
Blaubaer [5d\]:  b n18 sentish
LeonEuler [5k\]: s19?
IlanKeshet [3k\]: lets connect
IlanKeshet [3k\]: wow
IlanKeshet [3k\]: interesting
thekro [3k\]: ditto
lelouch94 [2k\]: he build moyo
IlanKeshet [3k\]: w corner can still die if connect?
]
;B[hf]C[TurtleDove [4k\]: hmm W sealed more of the moyo
irrcava [8k\]: oh w really got his moyo
martin3141 [-\]: white's stones are working together :)
Rossk [-\]: w just guard the moyo and win!
TheClown [2d\]: mistake
IlanKeshet [3k\]: really don't understand that cut
Newax [1d\]: h19
TheClown [2d\]: j14 is mistake
prohogiy [4k\]: j14 misetake?
prohogiy [4k\]: why?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: j or h14?
prohogiy [4k\]: is good group
]
;W[hg]C[TheClown [2d\]: lose a big yose after h19 s19
zum [-\]: 2d mistake is 6d tesuji
thekro [3k\]: if w cuts it off he'll get sente moves against j14 etc to start building in the centre?
Byakuran [4k\]: white clearly got the upprt hand
TheClown [2d\]: ok perhaps not now
martin3141 [-\]: agree
Byakuran [4k\]: why didnt he cut at h18
]
;B[ha]C[TheClown [2d\]:  thought white would cut
prohogiy [4k\]: how alive
prohogiy [4k\]: how how ;)
martin3141 [-\]: white seems better
Blaubaer [5d\]: wow center looks white now
Damasippus [7k?\]: B seems to lost the threat somewhat imho.
U505 [7k\]: white wins
zum [-\]: L6
TaksiMies [4k\]: w lose
prohogiy [4k\]: w lose +
pilotpirx [3d\]: s19
martin3141 [-\]: l6 
Caelum [3k\]: did you count ?
Caelum [3k\]: -_-
TurtleDove [4k\]: unfortunately, B is Ilya :)
viu30h [6k\]: nobody got the live broadcast link for me?
Byakuran [4k\]: L6 white should defend
irrcava [8k\]: w should defend his upper right corner
salu [2k\]: l6 and  big old moyo it is
prohogiy [4k\]: s16 sente?
Kanin [-\]: the beast from the east
Byakuran [4k\]: after cutting
IlanKeshet [3k\]: i dunno how b can invade anywhere in that moyo
mooooo [6k\]: w hast to t18?
prohogiy [4k\]: o17 can alive? )
IlanKeshet [3k\]: too solid
Caelum [3k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live
LeonEuler [5k\]: s18
viu30h [6k\]: thx
U505 [7k\]: dont be lazy, just check eurogotv info by yourself
TheClown [2d\]: not understand h13 - why not h15
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: caelum:  only for eurogotv1 unfortunately
IlanKeshet [3k\]: w has to give up H16 stones
Byakuran [4k\]: is p17 group dead?
Caelum [3k\]: i know :)
prohogiy [4k\]: no
prohogiy [4k\]: s19
LeonEuler [5k\]: h15 might end up dead
prohogiy [4k\]: gote alive
prohogiy [4k\]: )
martin3141 [-\]: p17 seems to be alive even if white tenuki
Caelum [3k\]: and eurogotv1 is lagging a lot...
prohogiy [4k\]: but gote
Kanin [-\]: w s19, b b7
prohogiy [4k\]: gote = lose
TheClown [2d\]: h16 stones is a lot of pts
prohogiy [4k\]: for 
prohogiy [4k\]: w
U505 [7k\]: what is thinking? just play h15 
Caelum [3k\]: not really
Byakuran [4k\]: white needs to play s18
martin3141 [-\]: l6 
Caelum [3k\]: keep sente
prohogiy [4k\]: h15 ahah
Rossk [-\]: how can p17 live if w tenuki?
Newax [1d\]: if h 15 corner dies no ?
Blaubaer [5d\]: l6 big? or r3? or
IlanKeshet [3k\]: no h15.
U505 [7k\]: g14  looks bad
IlanKeshet [3k\]: w gives up 5 stones
Byakuran [4k\]: before black kills that stone
Moin9 [1k\]: but the white group at the reight...
TheClown [2d\]: have to s19 now
Meolin [3k?\]: l6 
coolbrain [6k\]: upper right corner to big for w to loose it to 4 stones...
prohogiy [4k\]: w resign?
martin3141 [-\]: s19 not necessary
Rossk [-\]: looks to me p17 die if w tenuki ... so should s19
Newax [1d\]: w is busy : h15, right corner, bottom corner
Rossk [-\]: how is it not nessecary?
U505 [7k\]: p17 is alive!
martin3141 [-\]: how does black kill=
martin3141 [-\]: ?
TheClown [2d\]: what if black s16
BongoBob [6k\]: bottom corner? o_O
Minjhou [-\]: B P19 or so don't seems to capture uppre-rigth corner
Byakuran [4k\]: then whites dead
pilotpirx [3d\]: w dead with b s16
prohogiy [4k\]: but if w s19 - is GOTE: )
prohogiy [4k\]: and w lose
Byakuran [4k\]: black can really decrease whites moyo by playing L6
stonecold [1d\]: b +
Luffyy [3d\]: I think w ahead with s19
pilotpirx [3d\]: w lives and b takes ko
TheClown [2d\]: i not understand
Byakuran [4k\]: the game is still close
Blaubaer [5d\]: b s16 hm
martin3141 [-\]: i c
salu [2k\]: first cole the moyo
Newax [1d\]: b s16 kills
Byakuran [4k\]: black really need to kill p17 group
bisquit [2k\]: p17 isnt in danger
stonecold [1d\]: black got plenty of reduction, think he wins
IlanKeshet [3k\]: 7d vs 6d... won't happen
Blaubaer [5d\]: y clown is right? s16 kills?
martin3141 [-\]: yeah ...
Blaubaer [5d\]: the w isnt that good ...
Rossk [-\]: so w has no other choice than saving p17 group
TurtleDove [4k\]: yeah s19 is a must imo
TheClown [2d\]: i still not understand why white did h13 instead of h15 - but perhaps i just greedy
]
;W[ra]
;B[he]C[IlanKeshet [3k\]: w gives up 5 stones 
Newax [1d\]: g14 !
Meolin [3k?\]: s16 s19 r19 t17 n18 l18 
irrcava [8k\]: g13 or g14 ?
Goreon [3d\]: g14 ?
Meolin [3k?\]: strange
x0000 [-\]: g13 
TheClown [2d\]: could decide the game
IlanKeshet [3k\]: I'd G14 or G13
Blaubaer [5d\]: id have h15 too
Newax [1d\]: or g13
U505 [7k\]: g14 is horrible
Kanin [-\]: I find h15 to be aji keshi
TurtleDove [4k\]: give up 4 ?
]
;W[gf]C[Kanin [-\]: if I were black I would B7 first
Rossk [-\]: agree, aji keshi
prohogiy [4k\]: s16
Namaskar [1d\]: L 7
Moin9 [1k\]: h17 sacrifice? i think maybe  white now g14  then g16  and then white can l6 
IlanKeshet [3k\]: g14 certainly terrible.
IlanKeshet [3k\]: ha
irrcava [8k\]: wow w really wants that aji?
salu [2k\]: b will take sente not 5 stones
IlanKeshet [3k\]: what aji?
Goreon [3d\]: k6/l6?
IlanKeshet [3k\]: there is no aji
TheClown [2d\]: b7
Kanin [-\]: mm, b7 seems a must
Rossk [-\]: very little aji, no worry
IlanKeshet [3k\]: w alive on both sides
Blaubaer [5d\]: l6?
LeonEuler [5k\]: l6
Rossk [-\]: l6 time
pilotpirx [3d\]: s5
Blaubaer [5d\]: maybe k6
gogonuts [5d\]: is L6 enough?
Rossk [-\]: is L6 bigger than BR corner?
sagesse [-\]: maybe c8 
IlanKeshet [3k\]: I think B7 here
IlanKeshet [3k\]: B7 is huge
kabradarf [-\]: the ko at r3 remain its big too
stonecold [1d\]: l6 superb
Caelum [3k\]: 56k modem...
Rossk [-\]: so three big moves to chose from:)
IlanKeshet [3k\]: B7, L6, or R3
vasilisk [1d\]: maybe 3g modem
Caelum [3k\]: ^^
LeonEuler [5k\]: c7
Blaubaer [5d\]: y i like k6
gogonuts [5d\]: the lower right corner is biggest, but no time right now
TheClown [2d\]: ko is also rather big
Damasippus [7k?\]: knowing Ilya I predict he will go deep
salu [2k\]: deep in where
LeonEuler [5k\]: ko not big because it has no impact on center 
U505 [7k\]: j10 
]
;B[ih]
;W[ig]C[TurtleDove [4k\]: L6 prob sente then r3 after
Caelum [3k\]: huhu
Meolin [3k?\]: !
U505 [7k\]: close:-)
Idoc [2d\]: l7 works
IlanKeshet [3k\]: B has B14 move
salu [2k\]: j12 will die
IlanKeshet [3k\]: since top is now connected and allive
gogonuts [5d\]: J12 isnt going in deep yet - its just for fun
Idoc [2d\]: kikashi is term i belive
thekro [3k\]: SE finally decided some of white's stones are alive...
klausP [4d\]: interesting, that no one plays the ko
U505 [7k\]: just for fun in a big tournament?
Caelum [3k\]: i think he want to attack o8
Cassis0 [5d\]: w is doing very good
Cassis0 [5d\]: I wait for ilya crazy invasion 
gogonuts [5d\]: w made the center the main theme
IlanKeshet [3k\]: I predict B14 ha
vasilisk [1d\]: l7 
Slug [1k\]: m7
stonecold [1d\]: no b14
Slug [1k\]: errr m6
gogonuts [5d\]: b wont go for crazy, imo
U505 [7k\]: b14 too close to wall
LeonEuler [5k\]: b14 seems like a donation tesuji
Meolin [3k?\]: e8 
klausP [4d\]: does b need a deep invasion??
stonecold [1d\]: does not
Rossk [-\]: i think so
Rossk [-\]: w moyo is big^^
klausP [4d\]: b7 does a lot of dammage...
TheClown [2d\]: well it is not possible
Rossk [-\]: at least if w gets l6
Cassis0 [5d\]: w is not ahead at all 
IlanKeshet [3k\]: I guess B7 here if b doesn't try to live with something crazy with B14
Cassis0 [5d\]: b is not* 
stonecold [1d\]: black should stay calm
TurtleDove [4k\]: B still has r10 or so to take the right side
Cuki [4d\]: now C8 looks interesting
]
;B[kn]C[LeonEuler [5k\]: seems most simple
salu [2k\]: sense talks
Idoc [2d\]: why not l7?
Moin9 [1k\]: r3 ko...how is the value....its big isn't it? but when do you believe will white start it again.....maybe when black makes a lot of trouble in the white area?
LeonEuler [5k\]: also aims at f6
Damasippus [7k?\]: OK I was wrong.
klausP [4d\]: this will do - it uses the fakt, that o7 is not settled yet
vasilisk [1d\]: l7 l5 
]
;W[jm]
;B[km]
;W[kl]C[LeonEuler [5k\]: center is pretty scary big
Blaubaer [5d\]: n12?
]
;B[jl]C[gogonuts [5d\]: wow
gogonuts [5d\]: war
Cassis0 [5d\]: b looking for c8? 
Pookieroar [6k\]: M8?
U505 [7k\]: Black switched to Kgs style
ARRGHHH: m8
salu [2k\]: too mant white stones around
pilotpirx [3d\]: l9
Blaubaer [5d\]: or mayne f6?
TheClown [2d\]: the way Ilya is playing i think he feels behind
IlanKeshet [3k\]: b has around 62 solid points
Cassis0 [5d\]: l9 c8
rkda [6k\]: b will just live in the center, small life = huge reduction
IlanKeshet [3k\]: ah sorry, 70 solid points
Cassis0 [5d\]: r3 is not solid points
ARRGHHH: w probably go all out to kill all center
Hysteria [1d\]: he is behind if he lets W have all center
huffle [1d\]: after f3 black has nearly the same at the bottom
LeonEuler [5k\]: how are you going to live?
Banaan [1k\]: jus live in the center ;/?
LeonEuler [5k\]: make 2 eyes from no where is quite hard
Goreon [3d\]: l9 sinply?
rkda [6k\]: I'm not, but ilya can
IlanKeshet [3k\]: seems very close game.
Banaan [1k\]: nah he cant
ARRGHHH: l9 seems good too
gogonuts [5d\]:  w has to secure himself at L9, imo
U505 [7k\]: me? i can die playing any color
Banaan [1k\]: w is everywhere
Marek [5d\]: l9 looks ok
IlanKeshet [3k\]: w winning if you include komi right now.
TurtleDove [4k\]: twoeye could do it :)
Syptryn [4d\]: black can probewith c8
viu30h [6k\]: its not that ilya is exactly the honest player who respects thickness alot xD
Pookieroar [6k\]: Whats the difference between m8 and l9
Hellhuman [1d\]: i guess there is no chance black will not make a complicated fight here
LeonEuler [5k\]: black trying to m8 push through and then eat o9?
TheClown [2d\]: l9 is a little more greedy i think
Cassis0 [5d\]: c8 b7 d7 e7 seems ok for w 
Cassis0 [5d\]: l9 like only move
nanotech [2k\]: d7 is the week spot for w....
Cassis0 [5d\]: otherwise b push push push and swallow o8
Hellhuman [1d\]: this cut looks live overplay :3
Cassis0 [5d\]: I would be frigthened to make moyo against ilya 
IlanKeshet [3k\]: overplay? meh. i dunno
TheClown [2d\]: i think he figths for his chance
Meolin [3k?\]: +
IlanKeshet [3k\]: if w plays M8, at least w gets K6/J6 pushing into moyo
Hellhuman [1d\]:  how comes ilya is always standing not so well after fusekiand early middle, and then wins anyway?
Cassis0 [5d\]: kgs child 
BigVat [4k\]: showdown in the center now
LeonEuler [5k\]: because he is actually standing pretty well you just dont judge position well enough
Marek [5d\]: b won
Marek [5d\]: i think
martin3141 [-\]: is k6 an option? 
zum [-\]: m9
Damasippus [7k?\]: I think b is trying to create more bad aji for life in the moyo
Marek [5d\]: no need to cut 
zum [-\]: m8
Newax [1d\]: l9 is fine
ARRGHHH: zen19 would kill this without breaking a sweat
Damasippus [7k?\]: Intesrting game imo
TurtleDove [4k\]: sweat code not implemented
viu30h [6k\]:       you guys have no stream too?
viu30h [6k\]: or is it on my end
Marek [5d\]: r3 is the biggest
groove [3d\]: in my opinion w is leading. he has at least as many points as black and a ko left in the lower right
thekro [3k\]: lol @TurtleDove
zum [-\]: sweat cannot be broken
Goreon [3d\]: y think so long?
LeonEuler [5k\]: sure it can
zum [-\]: can be only evaporated
vasilisk [1d\]: how much of time they have? 
Blaubaer [5d\]: this r3 isnt small either
SteveDC [5k\]: 2,5h
vasilisk [1d\]: Eurogotv
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: white has 58mn left, b 1h42mn
vasilisk [1d\]: thx
Hellhuman [1d\]: eurogotv, why do i get a lesson from murugandis lesson when i click your link?
viu30h [6k\]: that eurogotv1 isnt it?
U505 [7k\]: J7 probably best
ivank [3k\]: cause you need it
viu30h [6k\]: on eurogotv2 i only get off air screen
LeonEuler [5k\]: r9 j8 where white plays?
LeonEuler [5k\]: l9*
TheClown [2d\]: think i L9
thekro [3k\]: viu: I also get off air
TheClown [2d\]: m8 feels a little dangerous
]
;W[kk]C[LeonEuler [5k\]: after j8 there is f6 cut
viu30h [6k\]: anyone here has live stream atm?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: no
TheClown [2d\]: I was a L9 man <:o)
stonecold [1d\]: b7
Moin9 [1k\]: no wie dont have live stream :-((
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: no live stream because of bad internet connection
ARRGHHH: j12 and k8 go in the prisoners bowl
IlanKeshet [3k\]: b7 removes the clamp at C8 
IlanKeshet [3k\]: dunno if play it now is good
]
;B[fn]C[TheClown [2d\]: c8 will not be relevant in game any more
IlanKeshet [3k\]: F6 trying to get the clamp in
TheClown [2d\]: ok move
LeonEuler [5k\]: white going to throw away 6 stones?
IlanKeshet [3k\]: Clown.. you think C8 not important now? :p
thekro [3k\]: B can now almost force an eye in the centre, it looks like
LeonEuler [5k\]: or 10 stones
Blaubaer [5d\]: hm looks dangerous for w
TurtleDove [4k\]: beefs up k6 play I guess
TheClown [2d\]: perhaps c8 will be relevant
viu30h [6k\]: if white atari this its still bad shape isnt it
IlanKeshet [3k\]: haha
nanotech [2k\]: no there is ko as well...
Moin9 [1k\]: but F6 could also force white to connect/reapair weakness at D7 then maybe it become a thnk you move
U505 [7k\]: you guys panic at the firt attack
Goreon [3d\]: j7 ?=
ARRGHHH: f6 is also a cut
Blaubaer [5d\]: b has g6 k6 and so on
zum [-\]: ugly
zum [-\]: g6 ugly
U505 [7k\]: g7 or something is good enough
zum [-\]: k6 ugly
zum [-\]: d7 ugky
zum [-\]: ugly
LeonEuler [5k\]: j7
U505 [7k\]: your flooding is ugly
Syptryn [4d\]: j7 seems right
Goreon [3d\]: i play J 7
Moin9 [1k\]: @ zum this word is annoying
zum [-\]: what word?
Moin9 [1k\]: ugly
TheClown [2d\]: j7 leads to ko
Newax [1d\]: d7 is possible
zum [-\]: anyone ban Newax?
Goreon [3d\]: ugly kibbitz?
Blaubaer [5d\]: j7 d7?
klausP [4d\]: What about d8 now?
klausP [4d\]: how does b get something?
Newax [1d\]: why do u want to ban me ?
Moin9 [1k\]: yeah d8 is what i mean that white repairs
TheClown [2d\]: j7 g6
zum [-\]: just kidding
salu [2k\]: i think b just wants to get f3 and e2 in sente
TheClown [2d\]: j7 g6 g5 c8
]
;W[el]C[vasilisk [1d\]: d8 g6 ,
Kanin [-\]: whites shape is very broken, black will get something
vasilisk [1d\]: ?
nanotech [2k\]: j7
klausP [4d\]: whut?
gogonuts [5d\]: i think b just wants to rip ws heart out :-)
klausP [4d\]: e8 has the drawback, that w gains nothing on the left side
TheClown [2d\]: b7 now
LeonEuler [5k\]: b going to force a resign
IlanKeshet [3k\]: not b7
Blaubaer [5d\]: c8 works but id g6
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: d8 looks more honte here
Newax [1d\]: e8 is the safe way
TheClown [2d\]: f6 have increase value of f3
ARRGHHH: 3 extra prisoners now
Goreon [3d\]: g6 h3 no?
klausP [4d\]: d8 is claiming, that the exchange f6 for d8 already gained Points for white
IlanKeshet [3k\]: gotta atari i think
gogonuts [5d\]: e8 looks good to me - best chance
klausP [4d\]: whereas here f6 was for free
klausP [4d\]: why gogo?
IlanKeshet [3k\]: atari and push in
klausP [4d\]: what do you fear after d8?
gogonuts [5d\]: because the w group around h5 makes me very nervous :-)
Pinguschaf [?\]: g6 - j8
a2g [5k\]: B has 3 week groups in W territory...)
IlanKeshet [3k\]: those aren't groups.
U505 [7k\]: weak *
ARRGHHH: i guess dead is a kind of weak
Hellhuman [1d\]: its not b, its ilya..^^
IlanKeshet [3k\]: those are just light stones
Moin9 [1k\]: suddenly a question came to my mind: DID THEY BOTH PLAY EACH OTHER EVER BEFORE????
klausP [4d\]: hi Pingu
salu [2k\]: g6 works
Banaan [1k\]: did you think it in capslock too?
Banaan [1k\]: and with 4 questionmarks
Hellhuman [1d\]: g6 j7 ?
stonecold [1d\]: lol
gogonuts [5d\]: the greedy move instead of e8 was d7 - but that could just be what b needs to break in
U505 [7k\]: all caps = bad manners
viu30h [6k\]: with that influence goin there i say b might get half eye threatening to attack that group?   anything more seems emberassing for white given the circumstancesa
klausP [4d\]: what variation gogo?
IlanKeshet [3k\]: half eye?... from my understanding of go, you need 2 eyes to live, 1 eye to kill
gogonuts [5d\]: success for w if k8 for L9 turns out badly for b
Hellhuman [1d\]: actually 0 eys works to get killed too
ARRGHHH: this is trying to attack a grizzley bear made of concrete using ping-pong balls
mooooo [6k\]: you learned that from twoeeye?
IlanKeshet [3k\]: no I learned it from a cow
mooooo [6k\]: good for you
TheClown [2d\]: k8 look like desperation move
Blaubaer [5d\]: b is at the board?
nanotech [2k\]: j7 my bet
TheClown [2d\]: b7 is my bet
ARRGHHH: b14
gogonuts [5d\]: b b7 says "sorry" - thats not ilya
viu30h [6k\]: b7? doesnt that just pmake white stronger
TurtleDove [4k\]: g13 to continue the miscellaneous cuts ? :)
TheClown [2d\]: b14 is not a move
Cuki [4d\]: b7 is aji keshi
LeonEuler [5k\]: b14 is a good way to resign
Kanin [-\]: I think B can just play normally and win with a lot
ARRGHHH: the last three things weren't moves either, but they are there
Blaubaer [5d\]: g6 or k6? would throw a coin
IlanKeshet [3k\]: im confused, how is b14 a good way to resign
viu30h [6k\]: i dontk now ive seen ilya horribly overplaying before
LeonEuler [5k\]: becasue it damages your corner
IlanKeshet [3k\]: so what?
viu30h [6k\]: might b14 just to mess with him xD
IlanKeshet [3k\]: corner is alive
]
;B[in]C[LeonEuler [5k\]: weaken your endgame
IlanKeshet [3k\]: B14, then attach at C11
IlanKeshet [3k\]: might just live back there
IlanKeshet [3k\]: then attach at C8
IlanKeshet [3k\]: lots of stuff happening back there
LeonEuler [5k\]: or might die instead
ARRGHHH: will 10000 w points in the center weaken endgame ?
SteveDC [5k\]: does b actually need this invasion? isn't reducing and good endgame enough?
pilotpirx [3d\]: b 14 nonsense
Luffyy [3d\]: no it isnt
elare: d's reducing now
elare: b*
IlanKeshet [3k\]: b14 looks interesting.
Vutopan [4d\]: resign
vasilisk [1d\]: b14 b15 and b die
TheClown [2d\]: perhaps this is anoying
Blaubaer [5d\]: this is a kind of reduction too^^
LeonEuler [5k\]: chance of b14 living is like 10% against a 1d and 0.01% against a 6d
ARRGHHH: my suggestions always generate the most controversy
TheClown [2d\]: cant find good white answer
dsfjdegh [4k?\]: Why are many people taling here?
dsfjdegh [4k?\]: talking
viu30h [6k\]: w has the unfavourable job of knowing theres a variation that gives everything to him since he got hugegigly amount of influence    but hes gotta find it and he cant be mistaken
IlanKeshet [3k\]: because it is fun?
vasilisk [1d\]: why r u talking here?
gogonuts [5d\]: because they can
SteveDC [5k\]: dunno, why are you?
U505 [7k\]: al caps guest started trolling heavily now
IlanKeshet [3k\]: go clone the game, and leave if you don't want to listen
spider451 [1d\]: there should be  filter
]
;W[jn]C[Vutopan [4d\]: So, you say 1d players chance against 6d is 1%??
U505 [7k\]: please ignore or use censor, but font respond to the guest troll - thank you
vasilisk [1d\]: what filter? 
gogonuts [5d\]: you can filter individuals
U505 [7k\]: Dont *
dsfjdegh [4k?\]: Sorry.
gogonuts [5d\]: but not by rank :-)
vasilisk [1d\]: what this filter must to do ? ) 
IlanKeshet [3k\]: I really like B14 for later, and the attach at C11, and the Attach at C8... and even the cut at G13
IlanKeshet [3k\]: lots of stuff to work with
dsfjdegh [4k?\]: I'm the New here
globax [3d\]: ko
gogonuts [5d\]: user - ignorelist
Newax [1d\]: super big ko
O3epo: misstake
prohogiy [4k\]: g6 ko?
softmore: l5 next?
]
;B[jo]
;W[im]
;B[hn]C[dsfjdegh [4k?\]: I don't know where this is.
ARRGHHH: if luck will have it, there will be a ko for life in the center in awhile
LeonEuler [5k\]: sac everything!
prohogiy [4k\]: р7
nanotech [2k\]: ko
prohogiy [4k\]: h7
gogonuts [5d\]: 3rd main menu point from the left
prohogiy [4k\]: h7 and all ok
andreiraz [2k\]: g6 
groove [3d\]: h7
Hellhuman [1d\]: h7 
TheClown [2d\]: looks dangerous for white
Luffyy [3d\]: h7 doesnt work
McCallaway [1d\]: g6 looks dangerous
gogonuts [5d\]: not all ok
groove [3d\]: oops yes
LeonEuler [5k\]: h7
globax [3d\]: b should g6 first to get ko
O3epo: b g6  j7 j8 
groove [3d\]: then k4
McCallaway [1d\]: H7 is fine
gogonuts [5d\]: b will atari from behind in the end
ARRGHHH: g6 crazy, but it's what zen19 might play
prohogiy [4k\]: why not? 
prohogiy [4k\]: h7, next?
pilotpirx [3d\]: ko
O3epo: ko no
LeonEuler [5k\]: h7 g6 f7
Luffyy [3d\]: then k4
globax [3d\]: still ko
vasilisk [1d\]: g6 h7 j8 h8 f7 
prohogiy [4k\]: k4 
x0000 [-\]: ko
]
;W[hm]C[prohogiy [4k\]: atari
]
;B[gn]
;W[fm]C[prohogiy [4k\]: and ko
]
;B[jp]
;W[hq]C[globax [3d\]: h7-g6-..
Blaubaer [5d\]: b has d7
]
;B[dm]C[pilotpirx [3d\]: 2 ko
]
;W[em]C[Idoc [2d\]: direct ko than
]
;B[hp]
;W[ga]
;B[gd]C[prohogiy [4k\]: is good for black
]
;W[hq]C[gogonuts [5d\]: so painful
elare: really?
vasilisk [1d\]: ...
sewr243: t18
LSF [?\]: g19 a good ko treat?
andreiraz [2k\]: b16 
prohogiy [4k\]: b14
sedad: w lost
Koffein [-\]: a few more threats like g19 and white can resign
Blaubaer [5d\]: s16?
LeonEuler [5k\]: hmm
prohogiy [4k\]: s16
viu30h [6k\]: b just solidified white center
prohogiy [4k\]: ))
LeonEuler [5k\]: white has no chance to win this ko
sewr243: t16!
viu30h [6k\]: but to win the other xD
Hellhuman [1d\]: b+r, as i said :D
dsfjdegh [4k?\]: poor b
Hellhuman [1d\]: poor w
Itserroth: poor b
globax [3d\]: t18
ARRGHHH: r3
LSF [?\]: there is another ko too
TheClown [2d\]: s16 is a threat
Idoc [2d\]: other ko too small
gogonuts [5d\]: t18 enough?
TheClown [2d\]: t18
globax [3d\]: t18 big
LSF [?\]: they can just trede one for the other
TheClown [2d\]: t18
LeonEuler [5k\]: g7 is a huge followup after black captures so white cant play the ko
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;B[ll]C[gogonuts [5d\]: lol
Hellhuman [1d\]: ignore :3
viu30h [6k\]: lol ilya is getting sane again?
IlanKeshet [3k\]: ignore seems... bad
Pinguschaf [?\]: no choice but to ignore
gogonuts [5d\]: has to ignore
TheClown [2d\]: r3 is white good threat
ARRGHHH: m7 fine
Moin9 [1k\]: m7 ?
LeonEuler [5k\]: no
TheClown [2d\]: m9
gogonuts [5d\]: m8 is actually more sporting than b needed to play
]
;W[hp]
;B[lk]C[TheClown [2d\]: and sell it for r3
gogonuts [5d\]: t18 was enough
]
;W[lj]C[stonecold [1d\]: white will bleed
viu30h [6k\]: b is making the other ko huge
TheClown [2d\]: that is big
Hellhuman [1d\]: o9 gonna live.. how?
]
;B[kj]
;W[jk]C[vasilisk [1d\]: b can f3 g7 f4 ?
LeonEuler [5k\]: wow if black eats the whole left side then it is over
IlanKeshet [3k\]: right side?
Luffyy [3d\]: he wont
LeonEuler [5k\]: right
]
;B[mj]
;W[li]
;B[mi]C[Blaubaer [5d\]: o9 too big to sacrifice?
TheClown [2d\]: white lose now
dsfjdegh [4k?\]: poor w
andreiraz [2k\]: n9 
Caelum [3k\]: wow :o
ohno [3k?\]: this is a ddk game
Mipaline [4k\]: end
dsfjdegh [4k?\]: what is ddk mean?
IlanKeshet [3k\]: actually i think it is a 6d vs 7d game ohno
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;W[lh]
;B[nh]
;W[qq]C[ohno [3k?\]: ddk = double digit kyu
Moin9 [1k\]: holy..
ARRGHHH: G7
Idoc [2d\]: i dont understand this. it should have been easy for ilya to win the ko
]
;B[ik]C[vaansama [4k\]: 10k the mini
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;W[jj]
;B[qp]C[viu30h [6k\]: lol?
ohno [3k?\]: a "ddk game" is one which there are very large territories
Blaubaer [5d\]: se counts quite good
Itserroth: m7!
LeonEuler [5k\]: why win the ko when you can eat the right side
]
;W[lm]C[Goreon [3d\]: n9 
]
;B[mk]C[andreiraz [2k\]: n9 
]
;W[qq]C[ohno [3k?\]: because it reminds me of my ddk games :-)
]
;B[ji]C[ohnoes [6d\]: ohno, don't imitate ne
ohno [3k?\]: blaubaer, counts well
U505 [7k\]: j10 
viu30h [6k\]: whit got such a horrible result here     when influence ends up as as much territory for the opponent thats certainly emberassing
ohno [3k?\]: you are the imitation. i've been saying oh no since i came out of the womb
TurtleDove [4k\]: o9 dies. resign
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;W[il]C[Caelum [3k\]: omg
IlanKeshet [3k\]: take ko back already
Caelum [3k\]: j10 k8 g7 j8 g8 h9 g9 h10
Caelum [3k\]: ?
Cezary [5d\]: j10 l11 
]
;B[qp]C[ohno [3k?\]: doesn;'t work
]
;W[ko]
;B[lo]
;W[qq]C[IlanKeshet [3k\]: J10
vasilisk [1d\]: j10 l11 
dsfjdegh [4k?\]: ㄒ_ㄒ
Caelum [3k\]: ah yes, i forgot the atari :D
IlanKeshet [3k\]: oh
IlanKeshet [3k\]: wait
ohno [3k?\]: l11
IlanKeshet [3k\]: L11 better
IlanKeshet [3k\]: than J10 isn't it?
ohno [3k?\]: i think so
Idoc [2d\]: its nothing
ohno [3k?\]: it's a threat
andreiraz [2k\]: the winer of this ko will win the game 
IlanKeshet [3k\]: does L10 work..
IlanKeshet [3k\]: is the question
TheClown [2d\]: white cant win it
Honey [1d\]: no
IlanKeshet [3k\]: i think it doesn't
Honey [1d\]: black is leading too much
ARRGHHH: l10 works extremely
Caelum [3k\]: L11seems good
ohno [3k?\]: but, there is no difference between j10 and l11
TheClown [2d\]: whit have almost no threats - black has a lot
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;B[op]C[ARRGHHH: g6 can get enough liberties to kill the bottom
IlanKeshet [3k\]: ok seems L10 might work 
IlanKeshet [3k\]: as ko threat
TheClown [2d\]: what
dsfjdegh [4k?\]: poor b
Honey [1d\]: if black plays the right sequence, he will win even without the bottom right
ohno [3k?\]: ilan, l10 not a good threat
viu30h [6k\]: b is appearently less greedy now
dsfjdegh [4k?\]: b
]
;W[qs]
;B[bm]C[ohno [3k?\]: l10 g7
IlanKeshet [3k\]: why u think L10 is not a good threat?
viu30h [6k\]: how the hell? is that really ilya i dont believe it
TheClown [2d\]: t18 is good threat
Honey [1d\]: black has b17
Idoc [2d\]: f3?
Honey [1d\]: d16
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w forfeits
Honey [1d\]: se
Honey [1d\]: told ya
TheClown [2d\]: ok
ohno [3k?\]: gg
KurataSan [1d\]: too stong
viu30h [6k\]: forfeit is different than resing isnt it?
KurataSan [1d\]: b is too stong
Honey [1d\]: no?
vasilisk [1d\]: Kurata^^
viu30h [6k\]: it is
Blaubaer [5d\]: thx Euro:-)
Thoravatar [3d\]: i think so too
TurtleDove [4k\]: thanks Euro
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w resigns
viu30h [6k\]: theres a difference in pro games at least
Honey [1d\]: theres no different is there?
TheClown [2d\]: good game
gogonuts [5d\]: congrats b, good effort w
Thoravatar [3d\]: ah ok
thekro [3k\]: thx Euro
globax [3d\]: thx egtv2
MusicQi [16k\]: thanks
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: you're welcome
Honey [1d\]: tks bro
dsfjdegh [4k?\]: ㄇ_ㄇ
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: video will be up later on today
MusicQi [16k\]: :D
Honey [1d\]: kay
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: sorry for this... we would love to be able to video broadcast both tables
Moin9 [1k\]: ok thanks Euo and also thanks for video later
dsfjdegh [4k?\]: ㄇ_ㄇ
prohogiy [4k\]: thx euro
prohogiy [4k\]: :)
prohogiy [4k\]: thx ilya
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: thanks goes to harry ^^
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: bye
ivank [3k\]: thx
Moin9 [1k\]: yeah somehowwithout the videos  there is a feeling missing
viu30h [6k\]: you know how cornels game is atm?
SIscurge [5d\]: Ilya is at an other level then rest of europe :/
dsfjdegh [4k?\]: Why w think so long?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: i'll show you the board position with my patented spying device
viu30h [6k\]: xD
MusicQi [16k\]: wewt
O3epo: b win about 20 points
viu30h [6k\]: hey now that the games are over could you record the nie weiping lecture
viu30h [6k\]: i mean its nie weiping and its about the most important game in chinese go history
viu30h [6k\]: xD
rlaalswo [1k\]: is ilya pro in korea?
IlanKeshet [3k\]: ignoring that M8 threat was too much
viu30h [6k\]: tried once and couldnt 
Korea4K [2d\]: no
Korea4K [2d\]: never pro
dsfjdegh [4k?\]: ?
U505 [7k\]: you never see a messy fight in pro games
dsfjdegh [4k?\]: Why?
U505 [7k\]: pros fight with more balanced shapes
rlaalswo [1k\]: there are too many messy fights in short pro games
zife [-\]: you must not have seen many professional games
rlaalswo [1k\]: I see messy fights in korean league everyday
fakeyou [1d\]: w resigned?
rlaalswo [1k\]: nope
O3epo: who won?
IlanKeshet [3k\]: EuroGoTV2 resigned.
rlaalswo [1k\]: and now back~
WestEvil [7k\]: w resigns
O3epo: black won by  resign?
WestEvil [7k\]: EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w resigns\]
O3epo: ok
rlaalswo [1k\]: ..
rlaalswo [1k\]: game over?
lexterrae [9k\]: who win?
ogolony [-\]: b
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