(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[EGC2012 MAIN round 7 board 1]PW[Cristian Pop]PB[Jun Hyup Song]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2012-07-31]PC[Bonn, Germany]US[HW9x9]C[SIscurge [5d\]: cool 8-)
SIscurge [5d\]: I predict that Cristian will make a stand in this game 
TurtleDove [4k\]: Song seems to be a territorial player, doesn't fight unless he has to
maciek [3d\]: i think every 6d+ player is territorial one:)
TurtleDove [4k\]: twoeye likes a fight :D
maciek [3d\]: twoeye is not 6d EGF:-)
backpast3p [1k?\]: Shikshin is
Eirika [4d\]: well balogh is 6d egf and definitely not a trerritorial player
backpast3p [1k?\]: but he's a fighter
maciek [3d\]: he doesnt fight to take territory?
lemming [?\]: are the moves not played out here or did the games not start yet?
Eirika [4d\]: not start i guess
lemming [?\]: okay, thanks for the info. I'm at work, can't check streams ^^;
TurtleDove [4k\]: early still. they usually arrive late
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
viu30h [6k\]: im already excited xD
TurtleDove [4k\]: ah, the video is working. I see B has arrived but not W
TurtleDove [4k\]: tough to choose which board to watch. Korondo is on board 2 vs Ryu
Badukgirl [?\]: are pairings of round 7 online??
Eirika [4d\]: this is the decisive round for qualifying the knockout
Sandalphon [5d\]: when does it start?
Reym [-\]: Christian pop still missing
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
holynec [-\]: kinda rude to be late isnt it
holynec [-\]: :\\
bibifocTNT [2k\]: wake up ! :p
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;B[qd]C[bibifocTNT [2k\]: :)
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;W[dp]
;B[dc]C[lemming [?\]: wake up! hiccup! why did you leave the keys upon the table? he wanted to!
globax [3d\]: come on pop !
bibifocTNT [2k\]: this is Honinbo Shusai-Kitani Minoru games : 4 months :p
Gorim [3k\]: B +R
Gorim [3k\]: ;)
bibifocTNT [2k\]: you see webcam ?
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;W[de]
;B[ce]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
Demon [3d\]: GO CPOP!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: sound and picture ok?
Needless [4d?\]: perfect
TurtleDove [4k\]: yes, ok atm
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: pls let me know if it changes
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;W[cf]
;B[cd]C[lpgyse: aapparations at bottom of screen. Dancing fairies?
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;W[gf]C[Needless [4d?\]: woah
CarterKane [5d\]: i hate g14
Needless [4d?\]: me too
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: those are Go-ghosts
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;B[pp]
;W[od]
;B[gc]
;W[pf]
;B[oc]
;W[nd]C[Syu [1k\]: sai?
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;B[nc]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: if today 15 people make a donation to EuroGoTV we will have 4 broadcasts (of all the quarterfinals of the European Championship) next thursday!!!!!!!!!!!
Pinguschaf [?\]: and if zero people donate?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 1 board
Yukura [-\]: ohhh this trick play
twisted [1k\]: whats the trick?
globax [3d\]: q16-q17-r15 enough, w ahead
Yukura [-\]: its a trick play without a downfall
maciek [3d\]: q17 now
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
Yukura [-\]: w p16 r16 q14 p17 o16 o17 q17 q16 q18 n17 s17 s16 r17 
Yukura [-\]: than it becomes hard on o17 and r16 stones
twisted [1k\]: ah yes just found it =)
Yukura [-\]: naturally r16 is suppose to die but theres a move that was recently played against me and i couldnt find a way to counter it
Yukura [-\]: soim hoping they will play it out but it also might be bad to q17 here g17 might be hard on white 
costco [1k\]: under what circumstances do you play g14 ?
Yukura [-\]: but than again its also still very far from o17 stones
twisted [1k\]: g14 is light and gets sente
Yukura [-\]: well g14 is better than d13 or d14 ;)? 
Lemonhead [3d?\]: Who is playing? I cant see it on my phone
TurtleDove [4k\]: W should extend somewhere and force B to invade. not sure that would suit SOng style
twisted [1k\]: w- pop, b - song
Yukura [-\]: i never really seen g14 but im guessing hes playing it to maybe "experiment" or just a move i havent seen yet but its defenitly better than d14 or d13 
Lemonhead [3d?\]: Thx
Kanin [-\]: haha pop song
maciek [3d\]: pop song? i prefer jazz
twisted [1k\]: g14 fairly common
Thoravatar [3d\]: hahaha, that is good: :)
Thoravatar [3d\]: pop song
AncientZen [3k\]: i prefer christian jazz
Summergo: for this trick see: http://badukmovies.com/episodes/a-trick-play-without-drawbacks
Thoravatar [3d\]: apparently some are still uninformed about the new hype
twisted [1k\]: pop worried his trick will get tricked
Thoravatar [3d\]: song pop actually :)
Lemonhead [3d?\]: Is it possible to view the result so far in the tournament anywhere?
Yukura [-\]: ive had about a 80% success rate with this trick
gaspard0 [2d\]: strange b dont know its bad to push along the two w stones
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;W[pd]C[twisted [1k\]: i think thats why christian is taking his time
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;B[pc]
;W[qc]C[twisted [1k\]: ?
Gorim [3k\]: too bad Pop  most probably doesn't know the trick
Yukura [-\]: i dont think its strange for 2 reasons the trick is still not known 
dsfjdegh [4k?\]: ^^
Yukura [-\]: and it still may be very bad because of g17 stonefor white ot have played q17
gaspard0 [2d\]: what is w doing now
gaspard0 [2d\]: haha
Yukura [-\]: like i said ive had a 80% success rate using this trick against many dan players who dontknowit yet
TurtleDove [4k\]: Ilya wandered by for a look
Yukura [-\]: doesnt work a 2nd time though :)
TurtleDove [4k\]: is this just to keep sente ?
lupis [3d\]: Lemonhead: results sre to e found at http://www.egc2012.eu/congress/main-tournaments/open-european-championship/main-6-results
Lemonhead [3d?\]: thx
lupis [3d\]: *are to be
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;B[qe]C[twisted [1k\]: r18?
gogonuts [5d\]: r18 n16 r14 s13 s15 q15 s17 s18 t18 t16 - is that ko?
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;W[rc]C[taiji [-\]: is this joseki?
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;B[rg]
;W[mc]
;B[mb]
;W[lb]
;B[nb]C[gogonuts [5d\]: i think w is captured in the corner
k81 [4d\]: this is joseki gone bad
taiji [-\]: for who though?
twisted [1k\]: i guess this double hane is why w didnt ply the original trick
gogonuts [5d\]: this is what happens when good stones go bad
sila: bad for w
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;W[rf]C[costco [1k\]: uh\\
Needless [4d?\]: I really dont get w here
Thoravatar [3d\]: hmm this is heading for disaster it seems to me
costco [1k\]: i think w is just making stuff up now
holynec [-\]: fakesuji time
Needless [4d?\]: well it does work to seal w in corner
Needless [4d?\]: but still
gogonuts [5d\]: well ...
gogonuts [5d\]: has power
AncientZen [3k\]: b
Pinguschaf [?\]: i think its genious
Pinguschaf [?\]: no matter if it works or not
gogonuts [5d\]: not deciding on m17 or q18 looks good
Thoravatar [3d\]: hmm actually it is a nice move
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;B[qf]C[Needless [4d?\]: well now w has no choice but to r13
spakik: this is interesting
Thoravatar [3d\]: i don't see how black can cut at Q13, so looks good to me
maciek [3d\]: i dont believe Song didnt sing it before
Needless [4d?\]: r13 r12 q13 s15 t14 r11 
Egg [8k\]: is this joseki ?
maciek [3d\]: and white looks just like a popular pop song, everybody forget
gogonuts [5d\]: problem with r13 is tha tb has a brutal option at n16
twisted [1k\]: egg i dont think so anymore
gogonuts [5d\]: hm, but b has no time for n16
gogonuts [5d\]: so it really must be w r13
Needless [4d?\]: problem is sequence should be gote for w here
maciek [3d\]: r13 looks natural
costco [1k\]: s14 makes no sence without r13
maciek [3d\]: fit with his cut everywwhere strategy
gogonuts [5d\]: to late to think things over, just cut
Thoravatar [3d\]: you cannot honestly play S14 and not play R13, right?
JoostvdPol [2d\]: make trouble first, clean things up later
Vondel [2k\]: song-pop?
Egg [8k\]: don't have a clue here
Thoravatar [3d\]: jep :P
Nino [1d\]: but you can think of n16 first
maciek [3d\]: just a pop song on kgs today:)
Thoravatar [3d\]: nobody here seems to know it though :P
maciek [3d\]: stop thinking, dance!
twisted [1k\]: w really wanting to fix that cut first
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;W[qg]
;B[pe]C[AncientZen [3k\]: I dont think w was expecting q15
twisted [1k\]: b doesnt have many other choices
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;W[md]C[AncientZen [3k\]: s14 fail
klausP [4d\]: Pop will not qualify, if he loses here, right?
H16 [2d\]: not sure
gogonuts [5d\]: q15 looks wrong
Needless [4d?\]: s14 look fine now b must defend at top
EGC: not certain
spakik: white trick black 
AncientZen [3k\]: oh thats true
gogonuts [5d\]: q15 aimed at n16, but w has n16 in sente
klausP [4d\]: hes not leading in SOS
EGC: the top16 europeans will have some kind of playoff
spakik: S15 miai with R18
gogonuts [5d\]: so q15 didnt make much sense
klausP [4d\]: 16?
klausP [4d\]: not 8?
gogonuts [5d\]: top 8
gogonuts [5d\]: only 3 rounds
gogonuts [5d\]: only enough for 8 :-)
EGC: but the top16 will be considered to find top 8 for thursday
Thoravatar [3d\]: maybe top 6 and there are two winners this year :P
Thoravatar [3d\]: 16*
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;B[pg]C[AncientZen [3k\]: b give up p17?
Pinguschaf [?\]: cool variation
Thoravatar [3d\]: hmm
gogonuts [5d\]: pls explain egc
Gorim [3k\]: I dont understand the top16 top 8 thing:P
Thoravatar [3d\]: i would like white now
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
Enceladus [3d?\]: g14 looks weird after pwnuki
twisted [1k\]: and w gets sente
maciek [3d\]: r12
k81 [4d\]: w q18 b l18?
Needless [4d?\]: well I guess b didn't like the idea of being sealed 
EGC: there will be a "fold pairing" of top 16, and people with some mms will  play a deision gamec
lupis [3d\]: Accordingly the top 16 Europeans are numbered. Next they are compared pairwise using the Fold Comparison strategy: 1 - 16, 2 - 15, 3 - 14, 4 - 13, 5 - 12, 6 - 11, 7 - 10, 8 - 9. If two compared players have unequal McMahon Scores, the player with the greater McMahon Score qualifies for the knockout while the other player re-enters the McMahon tournament. If two compared players have an equal McMahon Score, each of them plays a relegation game.
Enceladus [3d?\]: I really hope Pop wins this game
lupis [3d\]: the relevant portion of the rules
Thoravatar [3d\]: i think black needs to capture R13 or leave a lot of aji behind
irrcava [6k\]: does w have to add a move at top to make o17 dead for sure?
twisted [1k\]: yes surely taking r13 is a must, but w sente is painful
gogonuts [5d\]: must q18 - even if b has L18
Marcinek [1d?\]: where is pairings all players?
k81 [4d\]: and l18 helps b seal w in
Thoravatar [3d\]: L18 is not playable for black is it? crawling on the second line is defeat
k81 [4d\]: not when that 2nd line group splits the opponent like this
gogonuts [5d\]: L18 is only an option
martin3141 [-\]: l18 is bad aji for white, that's all there is to it
Needless [4d?\]: Im not sure but I get a feeling w could still play r12 here before q18
SIscurge [5d\]: Its good that Popi showed his teeth
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;W[qh]C[twisted [1k\]: savage
Thoravatar [3d\]: here it is
Blaubaer [5d\]: wow this looks complicated
SIscurge [5d\]: He is my hero :-)
O3epo: a strange move bq15
irrcava [6k\]: oh b chose honte move at p14 
AncientZen [3k\]: time limits?
maciek [3d\]: we play no limit baby
gogonuts [5d\]: is r12 for p14 a plus?
irrcava [6k\]: p14 q18 l18 
H16 [2d\]: w's gonna last 20 moves tops....
O3epo: better wq18
Egg [8k\]: lol, already move 32
Thoravatar [3d\]: haha, bold statement
k81 [4d\]: i too think w in way over his head
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;B[of]C[gogonuts [5d\]: he did not exactly define "last" :-)
forgotten [6d\]: it really does look terrible for w
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;W[pb]C[orbekk [4k\]: b has 136 minutes left, w has 108 minutes left
O3epo: r12 dangerous  move
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;B[kb]
;W[lc]C[Thoravatar [3d\]: R12 just shape move
Thoravatar [3d\]: wow L18
gogonuts [5d\]: p14 made L18 more attractive for b ...
Egg [8k\]: white's corner is alive
forgotten [6d\]: l18 was obvious
k81 [4d\]: l18 was expected
H16 [2d\]: i wonder what would happen if black played m16 instead of n16
Varlig [12k\]: why not respond with L17?
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;B[la]C[Nino [1d\]: black has to play m19 but you may not want to respond at l17
Nino [1d\]: thats why m17
Thoravatar [3d\]: this is crawling
twisted [1k\]: just found q16 in pro database but r15 appears to be a mistake
gogonuts [5d\]: h16, then extending at p14 wouldnt have worked right for w if b answered in the corner
AncientZen [3k\]: but its ok because w is kinda floating
Egg [8k\]: k17 seems sente for white
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;W[jd]C[Babibo [1d\]: Varlig : if L17, b will M19 anyway. Would you play L17 in the position we have now ? 
Varlig [12k\]: true
klausP [4d\]: The Open European Championship is a 10 rounds McMahon tournament. After seven rounds, the best eight Europeans will be separated from the field to determine the European Champion in a knock-out tournament. For this separation, there is no second criterion besides the number of points. If necessary, tie-breakers will be played.
klausP [4d\]: its not top 16
gogonuts [5d\]: k16 looks pretty loose
klausP [4d\]: and Pop is likely to fall out of top 8 if he loses here
egornp [1d\]: s12 w 
AncientZen [3k\]: k17
AncientZen [3k\]: ?
O3epo: bs12 libe move
kajlo: he cant pass trought song
O3epo: live
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;B[kc]
;W[kd]
;B[ic]
;W[rh]C[gogonuts [5d\]: b t15?
AncientZen [3k\]: is s15 not sente?
eve20 [1k\]: i like w
gogonuts [5d\]: yes it is 
gogonuts [5d\]: but w has t15 option left
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: how about Wn18?
SickWilly [1d\]: t15 is better because it's sente and keeps w separated with one move. s15 leave the option for a ko.
gogonuts [5d\]: n18 is taken
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: n19
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i mean
Summergo: black has r18
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: áh
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i see
Caode [16k\]: here I thought you were suggesting stacking stones. I thought that was a brilliant idea.
gogonuts [5d\]: n19 doesnt do so much, because b has r18 at need
Egg [8k\]: it seems black has a weak group now
AncientZen [3k\]: how is t15 sente?
SickWilly [1d\]: p11 seems like the natural move.
SickWilly [1d\]: t15 threatens b t13. then w can't swallow the stones.
AncientZen [3k\]: ah I see then a weak  group
SIscurge [5d\]: black would like to peep a lot, but maybe not able
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;B[ph]C[Turnipsi [1d\]: letting w live...
gogonuts [5d\]: q12 - a whiff of honte :-)
AncientZen [3k\]: b isnt even using the timer
gogonuts [5d\]: its more powerful than p11, becuase w cant force at o13
EGC: The text regarding the 16 Players is correct. That doesn't mean that all 16 players play, but only those pairs who have the same numbers of points.
gogonuts [5d\]: egc, each new part of the explanation confuses me more :-)
Besucher [5k\]: Ago will fix it
Summergo: white can't play q11 now right? Black will cut at r11?
maciek [3d\]: pop song and they falsify, so flustrating
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;W[qj]
;B[pj]
;W[pk]
;B[oj]
;W[ql]C[EGC: In fact the MM-Score is relevant, not the points. (BTW I am Ago) 
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;B[lg]C[gogonuts [5d\]: this b is great at slowly pushing the advantage
gogonuts [5d\]: maybe thats just a way of saying hes the better player :-(
kajlo: I like this move
locker [2d\]: white stones around L16 looking so heavy :o(
kajlo: much better than peep
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;W[jg]C[Malingo [4d\]: w looks ok to me
gogonuts [5d\]: not to me :-)
AncientZen [3k\]: m13 seemed to telegraph intent
Egg [8k\]: j16 is sente for white right ?
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;B[le]C[SickWilly [1d\]: yes.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: o3
gogonuts [5d\]: looks like w had his one chance at q17 instead of q16
kajlo: he is going to cut
gogonuts [5d\]: ignore best imo
gogonuts [5d\]: this fight is too awful
gogonuts [5d\]: maybe around d7
Nino [1d\]: ignoring seems awful, too
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;W[jc]C[SickWilly [1d\]: looks like he's going to ignore it. Just exploiting the aji first.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
locker [2d\]: group secures no points - only a burden and target for attack
JoostvdPol [2d\]: ignoring costs around 20 points, o3 seems bigger
gogonuts [5d\]: or he wants j16 in place before connecting
elare: i wouldn't ignore... it's big and gives live to b
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;B[jb]
;W[ld]C[Sungod [1d?\]: badabou
bibifocTNT [2k\]: f3 ?
elare: although i don't get k17 
gogonuts [5d\]: b j16 now?
AncientZen [3k\]: forcing move
gogonuts [5d\]: why didnt w take j16?
SickWilly [1d\]: ... k17 seems wrong to me. There's no reason for the move if he just followed it up with connecting. B will always connect there. It loses a liberty and wastes a ko threat.
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;B[cn]C[elare: i agree
gogonuts [5d\]: k17 has a reason
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;W[cl]C[blurb1: n19 aji
Summergo: maybe he thought black could j18 later instead
gogonuts [5d\]: right
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;B[fp]
;W[dn]
;B[dm]
;W[cm]
;B[dq]
;W[co]
;B[cq]C[elare: well, but k17 is always sente
gogonuts [5d\]: now b got to settle this area ...
elare: no need to lose a lib now
elare: imo
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;W[nq]
;B[bn]
;W[bo]
;B[en]
;W[do]C[lizzie [8k?\]: sometimelater  B may not answer at k18 but j18
gerd [1d\]: @KlausP: according to http://www.eurogofed.org/egf/ecrules.htm not the number of point is deciding but the MM score
gogonuts [5d\]: always sente, but not always the same answer
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;B[lq]
;W[no]
;B[pr]
;W[hq]
;B[fq]
;W[or]C[gogonuts [5d\]: m3 is the first move i didnt like
Egg [8k\]: pretty fast now
IdanE [9k?\]: is it being live streamed?
Varlig [12k\]: yes
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
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;B[qo]
;W[kp]C[gogonuts [5d\]: b got a fairly poor result at the bottom
gogonuts [5d\]: and he earned it :-)
Turnipsi [1d\]: j16 is sente for both
Egg [8k\]: the view gets better
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;B[oq]
;W[nr]C[gogonuts [5d\]: maybe w is reluctant to play j16, because after b h18 w cant make b sacrifice at r18 anymore
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;B[lp]
;W[lo]C[gogonuts [5d\]: sweet jesus :-)
Turnipsi [1d\]: oh yeah clever
gogonuts [5d\]: now this is rough
blurb1: bj16 w n19
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;B[ko]C[zongzi [3k\]: sacrifice m3?
Malingo [4d\]: p4 q3 l3 
Nino [1d\]: but can black ignore p4?
Malingo [4d\]: maybe
gogonuts [5d\]: w p4 is just too expensive
gogonuts [5d\]: cant help the oppon ent secure the corner like that
O3epo: wl3
O3epo: earlier p3
twisted [1k\]: p4 q3 l3 n5 m6 n4 n6 o4 p5 m2 l2 n1 
gogonuts [5d\]: k5 l6 m6 ?
eve20 [1k\]: 大 家好
gogonuts [5d\]: ok, w wont L6
gogonuts [5d\]: but i just hat the idea of p4 for w :-)
irrcava [5k\]: b makes it tough ^^
O3epo: w p4 l4
Pinguschaf [?\]: i think p4 is bad timing now, b would just ignore
gogonuts [5d\]: how about just L3?
danoontje [6d?\]: haha, isn't L3 without p4 ok?
H16 [2d\]: id go with l3
danoontje [6d?\]: i don't think black can L2
gogonuts [5d\]: even if he can, w can block
igaz [?\]: .
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;W[kq]C[gogonuts [5d\]: in hindsight, w really didnt have much choice here
gogonuts [5d\]: only move :-)
gogonuts [5d\]: for pros before the move, for us, after
O3epo: earlier p4
gogonuts [5d\]: no
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;B[mo]C[gogonuts [5d\]: important not to play p4
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;W[ln]
;B[mp]
;W[mn]
;B[np]
;W[lr]
;B[bf]C[Malingo [4d\]: w wished to have played p4 now
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;W[lh]C[O3epo: important play p4
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
lemming [?\]: I'd just ignore p4
O3epo:  w kill b group
lemming [?\]: I couldn't kill it
gogonuts [5d\]: the bottom is the only place that w is happy
gogonuts [5d\]: s5 works easily for w
gogonuts [5d\]: wont kill
O3epo: adji in corner ghost
gogonuts [5d\]: preemtive strike before b attacks
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;B[ok]
;W[mg]C[gogonuts [5d\]: n13 is nice to get
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;B[pm]C[gogonuts [5d\]: looks like b is a little flustered after the bottom
danoontje [6d?\]: C13 looks so big
reflex: is it just me, or is white just way behind?
gogonuts [5d\]: indeed
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;W[qm]C[gogonuts [5d\]: c13 isnt fun but huge
NeedaDrink [3d\]: indeed w behind or indeed c13 huge?
NeedaDrink [3d\]: aah
gogonuts [5d\]: indeed huge, but also behind :-)
AncientZen [3k\]: thats what she said
colas [8k\]: b is wining?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w 6 groups b4
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;B[nn]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
elare: how much time is left for eah player?
dSauce [9k\]: b 1:56 w 1:28
elare: thanks
danoontje [6d?\]: if white gives the atari there is more aji around l2
danoontje [6d?\]: just go for c13 :-)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: THX Vincent for the donation!!!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 14 donations to go for 4 boards thursday
jim [-\]: H5 
gogonuts [5d\]: after c13 ws position is bad, after b plays first its terrible
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: n3
NeedaDrink [3d\]: f5 bad?
gogonuts [5d\]: f5 is hard work, better play on the other side at c13
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;W[ml]C[AncientZen [3k\]: w clearly not happy
gogonuts [5d\]: n8 looks good, once its on the board
jim [-\]: N8 more interesting
O3epo: c13 good
gogonuts [5d\]: good chance for sente
irrcava [5k\]: p10 looks in trouble
lemming [?\]: what is N8 intent besides saving n6? 
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;B[lj]C[gogonuts [5d\]: or is it "almost sente"? :-)
grumpyjoe [-\]: hard for w without something to attack
irrcava [5k\]: wow
gogonuts [5d\]: n8 wants to cut w
gogonuts [5d\]: cut b, sry
lemming [?\]: np, I understood, thx
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;W[mh]C[gogonuts [5d\]: i find my b w weakness rather strange :-)
jim [-\]: white get more then black in last moves
lisalvina [7d\]: where can see the tables?
gogonuts [5d\]: n12 is another move that looks good once its played
gogonuts [5d\]: b hwas to watch out
Moma [2k\]: moyo coming...
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;B[nm]C[O3epo: in the lower left corner of the AdJI, no, only s5
Michi86 [5k\]: moyo-ish thingie
lemming [?\]: I wonder how much this turns into
Moma [2k\]: c13 and f5 needed^^
danoontje [6d?\]: seems white ends in gote here, or will he tenuki now?
grumpyjoe [-\]: l5 starting to look convenient
O3epo: l8 and c13
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
Enceladus [3d?\]: m9
reflex: anyone at the Congress area? How is Motoki faring against Antti?
O3epo: l8
O3epo: threatens to k5
O3epo: and moye in center
grumpyjoe [-\]: really tough move for white
grumpyjoe [-\]: no obvious strategy
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;W[kl]C[lisalvina [7d\]: does someone know where can i see the pointstables 
Enceladus [3d?\]: google for egc bonn
gogonuts [5d\]: http://www.egc2012.eu/congress/main-tournaments/open-european-championship/main-6-results
]
;B[hp]C[Soromon [2d\]: if i was black i'd want c13 - keep taking cash and reduce the moyo
gogonuts [5d\]: w is doing his best with fine moves in the middle game - but annoyingly b always gets his timing right :-)
jim [-\]: L8 I d' ont like
gogonuts [5d\]: h4 avoids both w f5 and w h5
jim [-\]: I prefer F5
grumpyjoe [-\]: this b is currently 1st in standings?
]
;W[iq]C[gogonuts [5d\]: y
grumpyjoe [-\]: he's strong
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;B[cg]C[gogonuts [5d\]: did it the simple way - win all games
blizzking [4d?\]: black keeps control of this game, it is still even but white is only following black's lead, my guess is b+4 in the end
AncientZen [3k\]: lol w outwardly stressed with this move
Kaete: Can't we see somewhere the game of the french guy next to them on the live video ? =o
gogonuts [5d\]: now b got c13, also with good timing, yuck
gogonuts [5d\]: w can feel defeat breathing down his neck
jim [-\]: G2 white sente maybe
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: nobody is interested in having 4 broadcasts on thursday?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: still 14 donations needed for that
jokkebk [2d?\]: sure
lemming [?\]: what sort of money are we talking about?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: more then 0 cents
Hellhuman [1d\]: will there be video then?
lemming [?\]: how much more?
AncientZen [3k\]: legal tender is preferred
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;W[mj]C[gogonuts [5d\]: w took n10
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;B[qb]C[pcosm [1d\]: lemming, vip-membershit is 25€/year, maybe that's what they're talking about
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;W[qa]C[gogonuts [5d\]: r18 is awesome
TurtleDove [4k\]: no, one-off donation
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no pcosm, we are talking about donations
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;B[id]C[pcosm [1d\]: oh sorry
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
jokkebk [2d?\]: eurogo, do we donate in eurogotv.com?
danoontje [6d?\]: why is that gogonuts? I don't get it
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i prefer new VIPs
gogonuts [5d\]: hm, true
pcosm [1d\]: so where can we read about those 4 broadcasts ?
gogonuts [5d\]: has gotten himself s18 sente
gogonuts [5d\]: but thats trouble at the top
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes. the donation button is at the bottom of the EuroGoTV.com menu
jokkebk [2d?\]: where's the vip info then?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: you can read about it here
gogonuts [5d\]: s16 sente, sry
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: for VIPinfo see my profile
gogonuts [5d\]: but that would lose stones at the top
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
danoontje [6d?\]: ah white cant connect under at s15 anymore
TurtleDove [4k\]: feels like B adds cash every move
UFO [-\]: hallo peter
gogonuts [5d\]: yes, but w s18 threatens n19, so the utility is limited :-)
danoontje [6d?\]: ah, yes, true. Maybe he just wanted to us something to think about :-)
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
danoontje [6d?\]: hello UFO :-)
eve20 [1k\]: test
lemming [?\]: ack
Tendou [3k\]: what is the best move ?
lemming [?\]: kick him, run away
Soromon [2d\]: white probably ignore and build the moyo with d12 or something like that
Tendou [3k\]: ok thanks
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: THX!!!! Joonas and Lothar!!!!!!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 12 donations to GO
LotharN [?\]: No problem
UFO [-\]: nice
jokkebk [2d?\]: my pleasure
Soromon [2d\]: hard to seal off the f4 stones though
zum [-\]: seems that b got some peanuts
gogonuts [5d\]: free peanuts is good
Backflash [6k\]: in his place i would get tea and cake
Natsuu [2d?\]: how much time left eurogo ?
Soromon [2d\]: white can win without the moyo though - black has a couple big corners but not too much
gogonuts [5d\]: b is carefully laying the foundation for ws moyo failure
Soromon [2d\]: white could just c11
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B 1.49 W 0.55
Natsuu [2d?\]: thx !
Backflash [6k\]: w has no points in center
Soromon [2d\]: white has the right side and if he takes the left...
Soromon [2d\]: he will always get some points in the center later
Backflash [6k\]: can't
Backflash [6k\]: and right side is just 8 pts
gogonuts [5d\]: right backflash, that center is only a dream within a dream
LovroKlc [-\]: right side bigger then 8 pts
Backflash [6k\]: about 14 with corner? can't see
danoontje [6d?\]: is S5 sente for white?
erwe: S5 not good
Enceladus [3d?\]: how much centre w needs for win?
erwe: white can R3
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;W[dh]C[LovroKlc [-\]: 25? 30?
Backflash [6k\]: Encle, all of it?
Elitios [?\]: how much  time do they have left?
gogonuts [5d\]: yes, s5 looks like hard earned w sente to me
Soromon [2d\]: ^ called it
erwe: then Q6
erwe: connect at R6 in sente
erwe: and then S5
Enceladus [3d?\]: 30pt centre is a tall order
gogonuts [5d\]: or can b give the corner and take the side then?
gogonuts [5d\]: that would be very unlucky :-)
gogonuts [5d\]: i like d12
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: I would say w center must be 20 points
gogonuts [5d\]: w has a lot of thinness to cover
Natsuu [2d?\]: k14 ?
Elitios [?\]: d12 looks like wishful thinking to a weak player like me
Enceladus [3d?\]: young Changho could win for w easy
danoontje [6d?\]: I don't follow erwe, you say white should Q6 first?
erwe: Q3 first
erwe: R3 sorry
danoontje [6d?\]: ok
erwe: then Q6
danoontje [6d?\]: I see
Soromon [2d\]: white has sealed off the center from all but the bottom group, although he is thin around g14. d12 leaves the option to c12 for white later and take a big side
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;B[if]C[Elitios [?\]: I see, so w wants either the center or the side, is that right
]
;W[ig]C[Elitios [?\]: ?
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;B[dg]
;W[fh]C[Soromon [2d\]: white is going to get some center, the question is how much
gogonuts [5d\]: w plays the genius moves, b the systematically annoying ones :-)
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;B[cj]C[Soromon [2d\]: black should c11 to keep growing along the side while white tries to cover the middle
danoontje [6d?\]: looks good to me erwe, also no aji left at L2 for black 
Enceladus [3d?\]: yeah c10 is pretty annoying
Elitios [?\]: so the conclusion is annoying > genius ? =p
Enceladus [3d?\]: not always
Enceladus [3d?\]: its like yin and yang
Backflash [6k\]: so? how would you close it?
eve20 [1k\]: soromon u said something but = nothing
AncientZen [3k\]: c7 group gettin kinda tight
gogonuts [5d\]: consitently genius would beat consistently annoying
gogonuts [5d\]: but consistently annoying beats occasionally genius
pcosm [1d\]: w's move are more beautiful than genius imo
Enceladus [3d?\]: w needs something genius now
Elitios [?\]: could something like b11 help w somehow?
Backflash [6k\]: would g8 work? or not enough?
snowman [-\]: i have a feeling that black's endgame moves are worth more
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;W[gn]C[Backflash [6k\]: oh
Backflash [6k\]: w is brave!
Natsuu [2d?\]: nice
gogonuts [5d\]: certainly shapy
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: THX Douwe!!!!!
TurtleDove [4k\]: W giving Song more problems than previous rounds
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 11 donations to GO
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;B[fl]C[gogonuts [5d\]: because of those occasional genius moves :-)
Elitios [?\]: this feels like it's going to get ugly
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;W[dj]C[gogonuts [5d\]: yupp
Backflash [6k\]: i see cuts everywhere!!
gogonuts [5d\]: had d10 comming
blizzking [4d?\]: white has lost his cool, he's playing too fast
gogonuts [5d\]: c10 unintentionally complicated the game
Elitios [?\]: maybe he does not have enough time remaining
Trumelunki [3d\]: Pop always plays fast, right?
gogonuts [5d\]: with g6, the w moyo suddenly gained bite
blizzking [4d?\]: Elitios, probably ;)
elmex [6k\]: w has 0:49 on his clock
Elitios [?\]: g6 looks amazing. But I would not know how to use it properly
gogonuts [5d\]: c9?
Soromon [2d\]: it does the job of threatening to cut black, but i'm still worried that black will use sente against the lower left to get strong here
Backflash [6k\]: anyone watching judo now? ippons flying everywhere!
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;B[fn]C[Susaku [-\]: e7 d8 f7 e8 white black white black can be on way to use it  @ Elitos
Susaku [-\]: so this might be the way to avoid it?
erwe: E4.....some aji
Elitios [?\]: Thanks susaku
Susaku [-\]: e4 can be more then just aji thought erwe with b7 it becomes territory I belive
Elitios [?\]: can w take some side now?
Soromon [2d\]: c11 is big but maybe need to g9 first 
mooooo [6k\]: from the moment w played s14 i dont understand what he is going for
Susaku [-\]: eventually but probly not for like 5-10 more moves if I had to guess by looking
gogonuts [5d\]: the german guy could use ippon now
Backflash [6k\]: yea
erwe: or direct F5 
golife4TGA [2d\]: g9 look nice
Backflash [6k\]: well, im cheering for "our" guy
BennyLava [3k\]: which german guy?
mooooo [6k\]: wheres a german guy here?
gogonuts [5d\]: thats what olympia is for
Backflash [6k\]: 83kg Judo -olympics
BennyLava [3k\]: ah, i see :)
mooooo [6k\]: oh
mooooo [6k\]: ippon seonage
BennyLava [3k\]: our german judo lady is pretty hot
twisted [1k\]: can w f17?
Itserroth: where is she
gogonuts [5d\]: pop is also down by a yuko :-)
Itserroth: to be seen
Backflash [6k\]: haha
Susaku [-\]: f17 maybe, but not 100% safe if w does do it
mooooo [6k\]: (¸  Y  ¸)   here you are welcome
BennyLava [3k\]: lol
Elitios [?\]: maybe b will get a penalty if he is not aggressive enough
Elitios [?\]: =p
SeanPenn [2k\]: can any1 share the link for live stream?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
SeanPenn [2k\]: thx
Susaku [-\]: link is always the same so just favorite it XD
gogonuts [5d\]: even for pasivity penelty - no such thing in go :-)
Elitios [?\]: ah ah too bad..
Tristero [4d?\]: hard to count
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: what do you think about playing G5, G7 as forcing moves for white, and then go for g4 ?
TurtleDove [4k\]: I like d9
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: then white has a sort of miai between taking c11 and trying to get some center points ?
Backflash [6k\]: g5 small? b may ignore?
Susaku [-\]: aggression in go is needed at times but also passive plays are needed. War and Peace: The battle rages on but all must rest. Along the trenches where each camp lies. The muddy dorms shoveled out. Night is our only solemn peace. 
AncientZen [3k\]: quicly white hes gone move around some stones!!
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: g5 threatens f5
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: kinda big
Susaku [-\]: that was for elitios again
gogonuts [5d\]: i thought that was it - good im not a judo judge
Rui94 [1k\]: Is someone Counting?
AncientZen [3k\]: w probably is
Rui94 [1k\]: f5 Seems cool i think
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;W[nl]C[Elitios [?\]: sorry susaku, I was watching gasquet playing
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;B[ol]
;W[gk]C[Backflash [6k\]: curse you german dude!
Susaku [-\]: ah do you understand the war and peace quote?
Soromon [2d\]: ^
Tristero [4d?\]: w is a bit better?
erwe: O 8.....
Elitios [?\]: is it from tolstoï?
gogonuts [5d\]: german stranglehold
gogonuts [5d\]: sry backflash
Rui94 [1k\]: From my reading f5 Looks pretty urgent
Backflash [6k\]: g7?
danoontje [6d?\]: this removes your nice move erwe :-(
Rui94 [1k\]: But maybe Iread wrong somewhere
erwe: yes I saw
erwe: P8 was very bad
erwe: F5 d-ont work well I read to the end
Susaku [-\]: f5 urgent never! (not yet at least)
Elitios [?\]: p8 was aji keshi timesuji?
erwe: F2 better
gogonuts [5d\]: o8 lost the aji at q6 ...
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: I count 48 for black, and 28 for withe without counting anything in the center
Rui94 [1k\]: f5 e5 e4 g5 e3 then cut is what I read
erwe: P8 losing move
danoontje [6d?\]: i wonder why he played that
elmex [6k\]: b has 01:37 on it's clock, w has 0:40 - no need for hurrying
Susaku [-\]: 33 for w 48 black
erwe: and G9 center  is small
Susaku [-\]: but still bound to change
gogonuts [5d\]: erwe, you mean o8?
erwe: yes O8 
erwe: was bad
erwe: white should F2 in sente
Susaku [-\]: w will win this game ocf XD
erwe: and then R3 and maybe leading
eve20 [1k\]: u should get a rank
Susaku [-\]: erwe you mean e2 in sente?
Soromon [2d\]: I count 35 for black in the top left, 15-20 in the bottom right, and another 10 bottom left, for 60-65 total.
Susaku [-\]: you gotta look at the e2 d4 leftovers can be quite good
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;B[hm]C[Soromon [2d\]: white 15 on the right, 10 on the bottom, 5 on the left, for 30, needs another 30 in the middle+komi to win
Elitios [?\]: h7 looks severe
GoGnom [1d\]: how about f10? with e10 as followup...
Rui94 [1k\]: *Sigh* Koreans
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: I think you count a bit too much for black, cause it's 35 top really at best, 10 bottom left at best, and 20 bottom right at best
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;W[il]C[gogonuts [5d\]: anybody would play h7 - the difference is that b seriously considered the consequences
Backflash [6k\]: hye, w got center!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W getting close?
Backflash [6k\]: nope
Elitios [?\]: l5 can be annoying now, right?
Backflash [6k\]: l5 may be dangerous now
Backflash [6k\]: yea, my thought
maciek [3d\]: i didnt focus from a long time, who is ahead?
Namaskar [1d\]: b is about 10 ahead I think
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;B[fk]C[maciek [3d\]: i try to count it
hihahohu: seems quite good for white
Namaskar [1d\]: (I just did)
hihahohu: depends on how well black reduces the center
Rui94 [1k\]: Yeah
Firebird [3k\]: given the way this game started, w looks pretty good actually
Bauer [1d\]: @Namskar w territory still unknown
Soromon [2d\]: I think white needs to get c11 now. It will come down to endgame.
Rui94 [1k\]: and how much points he'll get in the corner
hihahohu: no chance for W to get c11
gogonuts [5d\]: but w cant get c11
maciek [3d\]: so hard to count white
Soromon [2d\]: I think w+2.5 or some small part of komi like that
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;W[gj]C[gogonuts [5d\]: i doubt that
gogonuts [5d\]: b has the better endgame options
Rui94 [1k\]: Yes
Namaskar [1d\]: :-)
hihahohu: almost 60 for black
Bauer [1d\]: c11 looks huge
Elitios [?\]: more weaknesses = lss points in the endgame ?
O3epo: good move
Backflash [6k\]: women's judo is so agressive Oo
gogonuts [5d\]: its becuase its korea vs japan
O3epo: wb10
hihahohu: more than 60 for white
gogonuts [5d\]: the one match both cant afford to lose
Elitios [?\]: better than seeing two men armwrestling during 5 min. women judo is fun to watch at least
gogonuts [5d\]: if cock-fighting is outlawed, judo fights between japan and korea should also be outlawed :-)
O3epo: ws5
maciek [3d\]: i used to train judo^^
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;B[ck]C[O3epo: big yose
hihahohu: if B cannot save m13 in sente - which means m13 area and c11 area are miai - then white will win
gogonuts [5d\]: these ladies are in no danger of getting passivity penalties
]
;W[dl]C[Backflash [6k\]: japan's coach looks like jakie chan lol
]
;B[dk]
;W[em]C[Backflash [6k\]: d8 wow it is sente
maciek [3d\]: i must tell it to you
gogonuts [5d\]: the japanese fighter got one pass. pen. - makes you wonder what activity looks like
maciek [3d\]: next year i am will be playing on board 1!
gogonuts [5d\]: do it, maciek
maciek [3d\]: and beat these korean semipros:))
Samui [2k\]: b +10
Backflash [6k\]: we will cheer for you
Trumelunki [3d\]: We will cheer for you maciek
LaicepS [3k\]: you are do will be have playing ?
maciek [3d\]: i just need make a 5dans progress in 10 mounths:)
gogonuts [5d\]: better make it 6d for safety
maciek [3d\]: 1d i have already:)
maciek [3d\]: so i need just to jump 5 levels and i have 6
Natsuu [2d?\]: so strong
Elitios [?\]: wow france vs mongolia is scary
Rui94 [1k\]: What happens if white dies?
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;B[el]C[gogonuts [5d\]: how long have you been playing maciek?
gogonuts [5d\]: if its 6 month or less, you have a chance
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;W[bk]C[Gorim [3k\]: Maciek, better hurry, 'cos in two years it is my plan to do so;)
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;B[bj]
;W[bq]
;B[br]C[gogonuts [5d\]: lol
LaicepS [3k\]: ko
LaicepS [3k\]: !
gogonuts [5d\]: a3 looks alive, but great endgame for b
LaicepS [3k\]: but with many local threat for w
maciek [3d\]: hmm i knew the rules like 10 years ago:)
LaicepS [3k\]: a3 a5
LaicepS [3k\]: think it works
gogonuts [5d\]: lol, maciek
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;W[bp]C[maciek [3d\]: what?
gogonuts [5d\]: then w b7
gogonuts [5d\]: this looks less secure to me :-)
LaicepS [3k\]: b7 a7
Rui94 [1k\]: Totally with you
gogonuts [5d\]: but doesnt feel like granting b good endgame
]
;B[ak]
;W[an]C[Susaku [-\]: b7 b8 f7 d7 a9 would be better maybe
Rui94 [1k\]: This shape looks like something that will appear in a tsumego bok
gogonuts [5d\]: ok, this is a little better, i admit
O3epo: as played Shikshin (board 6)
Susaku [-\]: b6 foretells bad stuff will happen
LaicepS [3k\]: i think a7 worked instead of a9
LaicepS [3k\]: maybe he wants to keep it simple
Susaku [-\]: b8 b7 a8 a7 a10 
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;B[hl]
;W[hk]C[SIscurge [5d\]: Pop is one of the european go pillars. He might lose to some youngsters but not this game :)
Rui94 [1k\]: Yeah
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;B[kr]C[Rui94 [1k\]: But  I still thinks Shikshin will sin again
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;W[mq]
;B[oo]
;W[jr]
;B[mm]
;W[lm]C[Rui94 [1k\]: *Win
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;B[mk]C[mooooo [6k\]: would be funny if miao gets into top 10 but fj doesnt
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;W[lk]C[gogonuts [5d\]: fj surely woul have a good laugh
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;B[mi]
;W[kj]C[Rui94 [1k\]: Miao is?
gogonuts [5d\]: lukas
maciek [3d\]: n1 is good yose move for black?
Rui94 [1k\]: Micheal yao?
Rui94 [1k\]: ah
Rui94 [1k\]: Ok
Rui94 [1k\]: Podpera right?
gogonuts [5d\]: kraemer
maciek [3d\]: ask locally only
maciek [3d\]: ok nevermind:)
Soromon [2d\]: waste of sente here if black captures - take s6 or g2 or e15 or something
Susaku [-\]: why l10  and not m11 ?
gogonuts [5d\]: sente over here?
O3epo: s5 and g2 determine the result of a party
Soromon [2d\]: all so small
gogonuts [5d\]: surely b wants s6 for himself
Susaku [-\]: l10 looks to say reduce me  i don't care
twisted [1k\]: how is miao doing?
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;B[rn]C[maciek [3d\]: white should try f16 i think
]
;W[gr]C[gogonuts [5d\]: 3/3
gogonuts [5d\]: dont know today
twisted [1k\]: ty
gogonuts [5d\]: ok, they trded the biggies
twisted [1k\]: i still like f17
Susaku [-\]: f17 has a chance to live but not 100%
O3epo: as played Shikshin (board 6)
Rui94 [1k\]: Isn't Blacks Point a little bit bigger then White's?
Susaku [-\]: f17 f16 then what?
Rui94 [1k\]: s9 Looks cool to me
gogonuts [5d\]: w f17s chance is decidedly lower than 100% :-)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
maciek [3d\]: one farer possible like s10?
twisted [1k\]: =)
Susaku [-\]: yep like 5%
litlecolek [1d\]: e2
SIsaimon [1k\]: doesn't while look quite ok?
gogonuts [5d\]: b s9?
Susaku [-\]: w is amazingly alive on the left middle bottom and top idk for right side but it will reveal
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: we are still looking for 11 donations to EuroGoTV today!!
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;B[re]C[Vondel [2k\]: I dod one ;)
Gorim [3k\]: 11 for what?
Vondel [2k\]: *did*
Gorim [3k\]: transmision of all 4 matches tommorow?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes Douwe u did!!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 4 matches (quarter finals) thursday
Firebird [3k\]: f16
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;W[sg]C[Vondel [2k\]: cmon people
Susaku [-\]: donations are used for equipment and traveling I think as well as for how many boards we can see. This about right euro?
Vondel [2k\]: we are all enjoying this live-relay
maciek [3d\]: what about black s10?
twisted [1k\]: susaku f16 then g18
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes Susaku
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;B[fr]C[Vondel [2k\]: it doenst cost much ;)
Susaku [-\]: =3
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;W[fe]C[Backflash [6k\]: f15 happend =\\
orbekk [4k\]: EuroGoTV1: How do we donate?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
globax [3d\]: s9
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: at the side is the menu
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: bottom button is the donation button
Rui94 [1k\]: Is white alive in s17 ?
orbekk [4k\]: Is there a suggested amount?
O3epo: a very good Christian. Can he bring to the victory?
Soromon [2d\]: s10 is good reduction but white lives and it is gote for black i think
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: everything above 0 cent is considered a donation
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 1000 euro would be nice
Gorim [3k\]: donated
Susaku [-\]: euro what euro total so far
lemming [?\]: what would the 1k be spent on?
twisted [1k\]: gettingt to 1d
orbekk [4k\]: gold stones for the thursday match?
maciek [3d\]: not sure s10 so gote
Banaan [1k\]: 1000 euro beer for the eurogotv guys, they deserve it
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;B[ed]C[Banaan [1k\]: :P
Backflash [6k\]: gold stones for white and ruby stones for black
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;W[ps]C[lemming [?\]: diamonds! gets you like half a stone, first player automatically wins
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;B[os]C[maciek [3d\]: can black make a double attack something like t16?
Susaku [-\]: "There is only the board/ Goban and black vs white no other colors exist." Screw the gold stones!
twisted [1k\]: but s18 sente
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Marek and Kjetil SUPER THX!!!!!!!!!!!!
BennyLava [3k\]: nothing like that. Just a new big television for euro tv's founder or something.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 9 donations to GO
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;W[ns]C[Banaan [1k\]: 9 donations to what?
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;B[bl]
;W[bm]C[Susaku [-\]: till he reaches his goal donations
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;B[qr]C[lemming [?\]: I wonder, does eurogotv always have something like a crew pesent at events, or is that handled locally by outside people?
TurtleDove [4k\]: to get 4 boards shown on Thursday
maciek [3d\]:  9donations to make us all happy:)
maciek [3d\]: where is info about donations?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: above^^
ikizukuri [1k\]: et derrière, contre qui joue Thomas?
BennyLava [3k\]: wasnt that the case last week already and the donations have been reached?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: that was for the next day
Susaku [-\]: donations are used for equipment and traveling I think as well as for how many boards we can see. Donate on the side menu here: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: this is for 4 boards thursday
BennyLava [3k\]: oh ok, i thought was for 4 boards for the whole tourney :)
Elitios [?\]: solaris is going to win, right?
zongzi [3k\]: s7
Natsuu [2d?\]: m11
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;W[ar]C[WestEvil [7k\]: Black s18 is dangerous, no?
Rui94 [1k\]: t15 
Rui94 [1k\]: Is needed
Rui94 [1k\]: First
WestEvil [7k\]: oh ok
grumpyjoe [-\]: look at t16 westevil
Susaku [-\]: b1 for b ?
Trumelunki [3d\]: p17 stones are short of liberties, corner is safe
Susaku [-\]: or maybe bigger in store
poopFeast: white man cant beat yellow man
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;B[im]
;W[jm]C[Rui94 [1k\]: U sure?
lemming [?\]: no U sure?
Susaku [-\]: p17 is safe
gdghgjd [3d\]: q18 stone is short of liberties, p17 is safe
Rui94 [1k\]: t15 looks scary for me
mooooo [6k\]: w need to capture r18 before he can attack p17
Rui94 [1k\]: Though
Rui94 [1k\]: The point is
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Robin THX!!!!!
Susaku [-\]: yep the white will die in the corner is not dealt with properly
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;B[mf]C[poopFeast: looks like yellow mans josekies are too strong for him
Bauer [1d\]: b has a better jose, w could also play j7
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 8 donations to GO
Rui94 [1k\]: Black still got the peep at s9 
TurtleDove [4k\]: good ol' Poppy, giving us a worthy game to watch
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;W[kg]C[Rui94 [1k\]: So t15 could get a but nasty
Susaku [-\]: I would donate but atm got 80 cents in the bank =/
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 80 cents counts as a dontation
lemming [?\]: heck, 1 cent counts as a donation
Susaku [-\]: but If I donated it all my bank acc will get closed =/ I no want that
poopFeast: donate for what?
TurtleDove [4k\]: you would take his last 80 cents Euro ?
Susaku [-\]: donations are used for equipment and traveling I think as well as for how many boards we can see. Donate on the side menu here: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes^^
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;B[sl]C[Susaku [-\]: that answer your question poopfeast
SIscurge [5d\]: The game is even?
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;W[rk]C[Susaku [-\]: no
poopFeast: who gets equipment and travels?
Susaku [-\]: not yet at least
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i am
Bauer [1d\]: b wins by better jose
Susaku [-\]: the eurogotv team i believe
poopFeast: ok
SIscurge [5d\]: Even tough he gets them, its for us so.. ;)
ikizukuri [1k\]: Pls EuroGo, who is playing against Th. Debarre in front of the cam ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i will use it to buy a helicopter
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;B[nj]C[Susaku [-\]: liar !
snowman [-\]: that would be ion florescu
ikizukuri [1k\]: th
ikizukuri [1k\]: x
poopFeast: how can white counter these josekies?? no chance
poopFeast: too strong
H16 [2d\]: this sente?
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;W[cr]
;B[dr]
;W[bs]C[Susaku [-\]: nope
ulihoeness [13k?\]: endgame
Elitios [?\]: still a lot of yose in the upper left
poopFeast: notreally
poopFeast: maybe 1 point
foxface [21k?\]: black looks more spread than white
H16 [2d\]: g7 something?
Susaku [-\]: omg Euro! Jun in in the same spot as the other day...
zongzi [3k\]: h14, m11 all sente
gdghgjd [3d\]: b+5
Susaku [-\]: pop is furiously looking at the board for moves
pinkrobot [1d\]: w need g5
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;B[gq]C[maciek [3d\]: how old pop is?
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;W[hr]C[Rui94 [1k\]: 50 i think
grumpyjoe [-\]: k5
Rui94 [1k\]: around that age atleast
Rui94 [1k\]: he's older then Catalin
Susaku [-\]: I would est age 47
Liviu [3d\]: 39
DariusA [3d\]: so old !
JanHao [2d\]: actually catalin is older
Rui94 [1k\]: Ok
Susaku [-\]: but idk european ages by american psychology so I can't accurately say the age
TurtleDove [4k\]: again :)
Rui94 [1k\]: Why isn't Catalin Or Dinerchtein competing in EGC this year?
snowman [-\]: white trusts that there are no bigger than 6 point endgame moves
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;B[eg]C[Susaku [-\]: hehe there are a couple by looks snow
silah: g7 
mooooo [6k\]: 50 not that old he got 30-50 years coming if he lives healhty
Pata [4k\]: Catalin decided to mske 1 year pause
poopFeast: go is not good for your health
poopFeast: too frustrating
poopFeast: -20 years 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: come on people only 8 donations to GO (already 7 made!!!)
Susaku [-\]: go is good for your health its just obcessing/ getting addicted that isn't
hihahohu: haha catalin and popicu are 39 and 40 respectively
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: becoming a VIPmember also counts as a donation
TurtleDove [4k\]: no frustration if when you just play for passtime
MaxMakinen [1k\]: any news from board8? Motoki VS Törmänen?
mooooo [6k\]: im so poor i can eat at the last 3 days of evry month
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;W[eh]C[Elitios [?\]: sorry eurogo TV. I cannot donate money that I don't have :'(
Susaku [-\]: what is cost of vip?
Rui94 [1k\]: Why no dinerchtein then?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 25 euro first year then 20/year
mooooo [6k\]: if you feel like it you could donate to me
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;B[fj]C[poopFeast: i need money too
Banaan [1k\]: dinerchtein is afraid of shikshin :p
BennyLava [3k\]: i'm about to be a father, better donate to me
Susaku [-\]: I see
Gorim [3k\]: losing games isn't good marketing for Breakfast bussiness:P
foxface [21k?\]: i wish i could donate but i dont have money to spend :/
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;W[gi]C[Rui94 [1k\]: Haha xD
O3epo: as played Shikshin (board 6)
Rui94 [1k\]: Isn't he a 3dan pro? xD
poopFeast: well european 3p is like korean 3d amateur
Gorim [3k\]: he is, but still losses most of the games he play with Iliya for example
Banaan [1k\]: there is no such thing as an european pro
Gorim [3k\]: (the newer games)
Susaku [-\]: g7 f7 g8 h6 g7 not entirely good  but idk completely
Banaan [1k\]: egf doesnt have pros
DariusA [3d\]: but aga will have 2 :)
Susaku [-\]: someone said g7 so I tried to follow it up
DariusA [3d\]: they take go more seriously in us than in europe
ikizukuri [1k\]: b is ahead, right ?
mooooo [6k\]: i guess for dinnerstein if you spend alto of time teaching you have not enough time left to study for yourself
Susaku [-\]: g7 f7 g8 g5 h6 j6  this looks better though
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Carsten THX!!!!!!
poopFeast: in usa only chinese play go
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;B[ee]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 7 donations to GO
Firebird [3k\]: only chinese and koreans ;)
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;W[lf]C[SIscurge [5d\]: b ahead by few :(
hihahohu: not sure
SIscurge [5d\]: I so hope you are right :)
aguilar1 [6d\]: why not White G7 (instead of G11)?
arcades [1k\]: b +4 now 
jokkebk [2d?\]: Pop wil at least come a lot closer to winning than many of the previous opponents
Banaan [1k\]: Antti did pretty good?
hihahohu: 58 or so for black
SIscurge [5d\]: *strangling jokkebk for this pesimistic talking*
Susaku [-\]: g7 g8 f7 h6 f5 h5 e3 e2 d1 e1 c1 g1 h1 f1 k5 might be good endgame?
hihahohu: 55 for whit (including komi)
poopFeast: g7 best move for white but it seems he doesnt see it
hihahohu: and the area around j5 not included
poopFeast: has been for a long time
Banaan [1k\]: lol
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;B[jn]C[poopFeast: well its hard to see even for me so im not suprised w doesnt see it
poopFeast: ok now cant play it anymore
poopFeast: too late
Bauer [1d\]: why is g7 too late ?
poopFeast: k6 protects
hihahohu: g7 etc and o14 for w - still not decided
silah: j4 
aguilar1 [6d\]: I see... G7 G8 F7 G5
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;W[gm]C[goejgo [13k\]: hi
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;B[gl]
;W[fm]
;B[go]
;W[hn]C[Susaku [-\]: =3
Soromon [2d\]: k6 weird, seems like overplay
Soromon [2d\]: k9 is no good
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;B[in]C[poopFeast: no overplay
Susaku [-\]: I read up to the g5 too
goejgo [13k\]: a7 ko
poopFeast: see 
poopFeast: w was too late with g7
poopFeast: big mistake
Susaku [-\]: a bit
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;W[ci]
;B[ho]
;W[dm]
;B[bi]
;W[ch]
;B[bh]
;W[ef]C[SIscurge [5d\]: oh?
poopFeast: bad move
andreiraz [3k\]: f13 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Max EuroGoTV welcomes you as a highy respected VIP-member!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 6 donations to GO
poopFeast: this is misclick?
jokkebk [2d?\]: white res seq?
Susaku [-\]: no
MaxMakinen [1k\]: :)
Susaku [-\]: i don't think so
Michi86 [5k\]: Who did break SE?
MaxMakinen [1k\]: EuroGoTV1, do you have any info on board8? are they playing in another room?
Rui94 [1k\]: Who the hell Use SE anyway?
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;B[fg]C[Rui94 [1k\]: Useless stuff :P
Susaku [-\]: f13 is correct
Bauer [1d\]: end of game
Susaku [-\]: e14 or g13 next maybe
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: in a different room VIP-member MaxMikanen
MaxMakinen [1k\]: ok, thanks
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: MaxMakinen
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;W[ie]C[ulihoeness [12k?\]: ?
poopFeast: lol
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;B[he]
;W[je]C[poopFeast: looks like w has given up
Susaku [-\]: lol for some reason I cna skip the ads
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;B[gg]
;W[hf]C[JEGO [7k\]: black in advance i think?
poopFeast: last 3 moves 3d level
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;B[hh]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: breakin
zongzi [3k\]: resing
poopFeast: yes
grumpyjoe [-\]: intruder alert
Elitios [?\]: e14 was very bad then
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;W[ff]C[Susaku [-\]: w won't resign he'll play it to the endgame counting
Rui94 [1k\]: Yeah
Michi86 [5k\]: j11 
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;B[ik]C[JEGO [7k\]: H12 stone reduce this white moyo
jokkebk [2d?\]: 2k level I'd say
Elitios [?\]: OUCH
Banaan [1k\]: wow
hihahohu: wtf happend?
JEGO [7k\]: white resign now?
Susaku [-\]: no
Rui94 [1k\]: White made a huge mistake
Susaku [-\]: not yet 
EuroGoTV5: [-\]: dinner break
Korf [1k\]: it's not that bad
poopFeast: resign only move 
Mokki [2d\]: ko ko ko!
Soromon [2d\]: hopeless. even with white winning a ko
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;W[ij]C[DariusA [3d\]: no ko
Visi [13k?\]: in the vidfeed he looks stumped. I think he just ate a stone
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;B[jl]C[Soromon [2d\]: e14 so bad
Visi [13k?\]: actually physically ate it
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;W[jk]
;B[km]
;W[li]C[mooooo [6k\]: SE is killed
Banaan [1k\]: now where is w's territory :/?
maciek [3d\]: center is so small now
Rui94 [1k\]: Nowhere
poopFeast: w has nothing
Rui94 [1k\]: White lost this long ago
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;B[df]C[maciek [3d\]: this is just a pop song
LeonEuler [5k\]: b + 6.4
Elitios [?\]: I thought w had a chance before c2
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;W[nf]C[SIscurge [5d\]: so sad :(
Rui94 [1k\]: Makemashita-Tesuji: Only move :P
zum [-\]: how do you make mashita?
maciek [3d\]: Mike Tyson Tesuji still can work
Elitios [?\]: now w plays c18 and blow our mind
poopFeast: c8 has a chance to live
poopFeast: c18
poopFeast: against a 15k
LeonEuler [5k\]: just need black to self atari while filling out dame
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;B[mj]C[Susaku [-\]: c18 wouldn't live to a 15k maybe a 20k
Ootakamoku [-\]: well, against 20kyu it depends alot on luck
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;W[hd]
;B[hc]C[ivan1988 [1k\]: what's a makemashita tesuji?
maciek [3d\]: resign
Rui94 [1k\]: Yes
LeonEuler [5k\]: make mashita
LeonEuler [5k\]: white needs tanuki
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;W[qn]C[eslite [2k\]: tanukis are cute
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;B[rm]C[hihahohu: why resign, its still just 5 points difference
poopFeast: at pro level 0.5 points is a big win
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;W[ng]C[mooooo [6k\]: its a win not a big win
poopFeast: no its big win
eslite [2k\]: so what would a small win look like then?
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;B[pn]C[Rui94 [1k\]: Jigo
Rui94 [1k\]: :P
mooooo [6k\]: 0.5 as the minimum points for a win is not big
eric1010 [1k\]: XD
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;W[pi]
;B[oi]
;W[qi]
;B[oh]C[Rui94 [1k\]: Mad bro? :P
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;W[ep]C[mooooo [6k\]: very
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;B[fo]C[LeonEuler [5k\]: 0.5 wins is just luck, depends if you were playing in 1995 or 2012
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;W[fd]
;B[fc]C[Needless [4d?\]: less then 10% pro games end with a score below 5 points, so below 5 seems close enough to me.
Rui94 [1k\]: No
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;W[ge]C[Needless [4d?\]: at least from the database from smartgo it is so
dfghjz: cuz they just resign
dfghjz: even if its within 5points
dfghjz: 10% doesnt really mean anything in this case
mooooo [6k\]: the most games end by resign since they figure out they cant make up for their opponents 0.5 points advantage
LeonEuler [5k\]: 5.5 points is quite noticeable
Needless [4d?\]: well there is game that end with score up to 9.5
grumpyjoe [-\]: i think for stronger players .5 win is not luck at all
LeonEuler [5k\]: i think 2.5 or below is close
dfghjz: japanese players seem to enjoy finishing their games
dfghjz: even if they are losing by 10 or more
Rui94 [1k\]: Because their thinking time is much longer
Soromon [2d\]: thx for the feed, was fun
Rui94 [1k\]: they got their 20 hous thinking time you know? :)
Needless [4d?\]: there is not many from what Im seeing but well regardless there is quite a bunch of game within 3.5-6.5
Banaan [1k\]: i wish more matches had longer thinking time
furr [?\]: Is there luck in a full information game?
Susaku [-\]: I play out my games as long as hope remains in sight if there is none I resign
poopFeast: no pro game should have over 2 hours thinking time
poopFeast: no need
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;B[ma]C[mooooo [6k\]: its a hell to watch it live
Banaan [1k\]: why?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B+R
Rui94 [1k\]: It depends on
Banaan [1k\]: but thats the thing, theyre shorter now because they want to show it on tv
furr [?\]: thx Euro
snowman [-\]: heh, even this game has 2½ hours each
poopFeast: yes too much time
gisel [3d\]: noone said you need to watch it live mooo, you can wait for it to end, and go through game in 5 min
SIscurge [5d\]: this is such a pity :(
SIscurge [5d\]: thanks for broadcasting
Rui94 [1k\]: Actually
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: No Problem :)
Mipaline [4k\]: thx euro
Rui94 [1k\]: Pro seems to discuss a game in about some hours
Elitios [?\]: thx eurogo! and thanks solaris for this very exciting game !
TurtleDove [4k\]: nice game Poppo !
daniug [2d\]: do you know other results?
Susaku [-\]: b+res
orbekk [4k\]: are discussions streamed?
gnarf [1k\]: thx eurogotv
Adel [6k\]: Pop lost?
TurtleDove [4k\]: so, 2 boards on Thursday ?
Rui94 [1k\]: yes
Adel [6k\]: Okay
Rui94 [1k\]: Too bad he did.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B+R
Rui94 [1k\]: But it was a greate game
lupis [3d\]: How are we doing with the donatios EuroGoTV1?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 3 boards thursday
TurtleDove [4k\]: yay :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: unless 5 more donations
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Reino THX!!!!!
Susaku [-\]: will we have feed for the fourth game though?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no
Susaku [-\]: =S
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 5 more donations for KGS feed
lupis [3d\]: you're welcome :)
Susaku [-\]: I mean just video
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: not enough bandwidth for 4 live tv feeds
Susaku [-\]: ah
fabric [4k\]: how old jun hyup song ?
Susaku [-\]: 28?
fabric [4k\]: he looks younger 
jokkebk [2d?\]: Any results from other europeans yet?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: all working^^
H16 [2d\]: how did silt play?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: still playing
fabric [4k\]: they are making review
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ok, we had a small meeting
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 1 more new VIP-member and we will have 4 boards thursday
zum [-\]: b+?
zum [-\]: look at that fat w center
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i believe a new VIP-member came up
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: frozenwill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thx
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thx all donators and VIP-members!!!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thursday we will relay 4 boards to KGS!!!!!!!!!!!!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thx Antti
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