(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[EGC2012 MAIN round 7 board 2]PW[Seung Hee Ryu]PB[Young Sam Kim]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2012-07-31]PC[Bonn, Germany]US[Olivier Dulac]C[Caode [16k\]: NOT THAT I'M STALKING YOU OR ANYTHING! >_>
BrianH [10k\]: have 88 minutes start
Caode [16k\]: Gotta take the good seats while you can.
lastayui: have few minutes to start
maciek [3d\]: do you know who is playing against Mateusz Surma EuroGoTV1?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: it may be listed on the egc2012.eu website?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: game starts
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;B[pd]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2
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;W[dp]
;B[qp]
;W[dc]C[KurataSan [1d\]: p3
KurataSan [1d\]: this is korondo vs..?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: not sure
Eirika [4d\]: f3
KurataSan [1d\]: is that Olivier?
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;B[de]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: i am
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;W[ce]C[KurataSan [1d\]: remember me mister olivier?
Badukgirl [?\]: euro? who is playing on board 3 and 4?
KurataSan [1d\]: is that the way your name is being written?
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;B[cf]
;W[cd]C[Flandre [-\]: c14 c16 c6 f3 d13 f17 d9 
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;B[fq]
;W[cn]C[Flandre [-\]: oh
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(;B[kp])
(;B[lq]C[KurataSan [1d\]: cut
KurataSan [1d\]: cut or r10
viu30h [6k\]: cut is too early splitting right side more important i think
Flandre [-\]: q7 or r10 
KurataSan [1d\]: q7??
KurataSan [1d\]: -_-
Sven84 [1k\]: q7 not with m3
KurataSan [1d\]: q7 is against low chinese
Michi86 [5k\]: g17 seems nice, 
Flandre [-\]: i've seen it againsh micro or mini too
backpast3p [-\]: can't get why shikshin isn't on 2nd board
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Olivier is correct indeed
Michi86 [5k\]: although the small chinese is kinda bad if you let it come now
KurataSan [1d\]: ah
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;W[qj]
;B[qh]C[KurataSan [1d\]: ok Olivier
KurataSan [1d\]: and lol
KurataSan [1d\]: muahaha
wolokom [4k\]: and now? cut
KurataSan [1d\]: i was right
KurataSan [1d\]: S6 is not possible obviously
KurataSan [1d\]: because s6 is played with r14 instead of r12
KurataSan [1d\]: so just r7 i think
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;W[rn]C[faignantix [5d?\]: Song played s6 in this position in the weekend tournament
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;B[po]
;W[pm]C[viu30h [6k\]: the new move
backpast3p [-\]: EUROGOTV2 Isn't Shikshin on 2nd board?
KurataSan [1d\]: what
viu30h [6k\]: bat made a lecture bout this
KurataSan [1d\]: s6 now???
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;B[dr]C[Bolko [1d\]: why not
KurataSan [1d\]: p9 soon
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;W[df]C[KurataSan [1d\]: c13
KurataSan [1d\]: game is going pretty fast
globax [3d\]: k17
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: backpast: he was several times already ^^
SIscurge [5d\]: I think i ve never seen Q5
wolokom [4k\]: to c7? 
SIscurge [5d\]: Somehow it looks like w has good shape
KurataSan [1d\]: q5 is fine
KurataSan [1d\]: q5 is the correct answer
KurataSan [1d\]: but soon w will p4
SIscurge [5d\]: Was it in a book?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: KurataSan: check your msg(chat) please
KurataSan [1d\]: it was played by many pros
SIscurge [5d\]: ok
dliu301 [2k\]: i came in late
dliu301 [2k\]: q5 was response to s6?
KurataSan [1d\]: p9 q8 soon
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: video broqdcqst on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2
Ootakamoku [-\]: somehow doubt playing p4 any time soon
KurataSan [1d\]: and p4 for w
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;B[jc]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: looks like it will just get q7 group killed or in very severe trouble atleast
globax [3d\]: :)
KurataSan [1d\]: no ota
KurataSan [1d\]: this is a vital point
KurataSan [1d\]: it actually puts b in danger
KurataSan [1d\]: r17?
wolokom [4k\]: r 17? against douple wing?
Ootakamoku [-\]: r17 it textbook play, but leaves both with sente for b around f17, aswell as makes r10 group weaker
wolokom [4k\]: or q 18 what is moore clever?
KurataSan [1d\]: but r17 is actually sente
KurataSan [1d\]: for w
Ootakamoku [-\]: well, the standard version is sente
Ootakamoku [-\]: but b can ofcourse resist
KurataSan [1d\]: D13?
KurataSan [1d\]: d13/r17 i guess
dliu301 [2k\]: d13 looks a bit slow
KurataSan [1d\]: or even g5
Ootakamoku [-\]: r17 q17 r16 r15 s15 s14 actually looks nice for b
Ootakamoku [-\]: k17 prevents w fro playing q18 I think, and if w plays r14 then we use it to get very solid sente wall, and extend to f17
wolokom [4k\]: that was i thought of q 18
sagesse [-\]: is the video working?
Ootakamoku [-\]: wolokom, I meant the comment, after the sequence I described
sagesse [-\]: i cant see anything
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: video is working
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: refresh your window
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;W[qf]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: k18 is a sad move, gets w a very low and weak position most of the time, I dont think w wants to use it
KurataSan [1d\]: oh?
Ootakamoku [-\]: er, q18
KurataSan [1d\]: interesting
KurataSan [1d\]: r16?
sagesse [-\]: i refresh and yet it shows black...
Sungod [1d?\]: Korondo fighting!
KurataSan [1d\]: q14 maybe
alexandroz [6k\]: try another browser
Ootakamoku [-\]: I dont see how b could sacrifice r12 stone
H16 [2d\]: this move suspicious?
Ootakamoku [-\]: it looks too valuable
zeku [1k\]: korondo is black?
Sungod [1d?\]: yep
Bolko [1d\]: doesnt this kinda need ladder
martin3141 [-\]: o16 
Bolko [1d\]: or no wedging
Ootakamoku [-\]: bolko, high dans have all the ladders, always, even when it looks they dont.
dliu301 [2k\]: no wedging
Ootakamoku [-\]: b q12 for style :)
maciek [3d\]: q14
k81 [4d\]: b r16 would be style
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;B[pf]
;W[qc]
;B[qe]C[wolokom [4k\]: then this
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;W[oc]C[wolokom [4k\]: not realy confotable
Ootakamoku [-\]: p17? never seen that before..
KurataSan [1d\]: me too
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Free video broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2
KurataSan [1d\]: p18 isnt better?
forgotten [6d\]: no
wolokom [4k\]: hm standart i think
maciek [3d\]: not really standart:)
forgotten [6d\]: it is standard
wolokom [4k\]: one way of it 
dliu301 [2k\]: i guess if b cuts and captures p17 he will be overconcentrated
maciek [3d\]: a move cant be standart if Oota didnt see it
Ootakamoku [-\]: q17 q18 n17 o18 s17 
faignantix [5d?\]: the right part of the board is exactly the same as in the youngsam vs junhyup game during the weekend tournament
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;B[mc]C[KurataSan [1d\]: wattttttttttttt
Ootakamoku [-\]: ah, 1-2-3
KurataSan [1d\]: he is playing a girl?/
Idoc [2d\]: this is good
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: n17 looks honte,  that was my guess
Idoc [2d\]: big sente
Ootakamoku [-\]: kurata, u need to get glasses, girls dont play go, well known fact.
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: now o18 looks honte
lemming [?\]: what's the sort of wiki page that explains all the go-terms like honte?
Ootakamoku [-\]: senseis
martin3141 [-\]: s18 
lemming [?\]: thx
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: lemming: http://google.com ;)
Ootakamoku [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Honte
lemming [?\]: I prefer senseis
lemming [?\]: just forgot it
Ootakamoku [-\]: this result looks kinda sad too for w
martin3141 [-\]: q18 might be a cool move here
KurataSan [1d\]: just q17 maybe
Ootakamoku [-\]: I guess w takes some comfort that r14 aji protects r10 stone
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: q18 o18 ?
KurataSan [1d\]: q17
Warfreak2 [4d\]: korondo massive
Ootakamoku [-\]: s18 does look like w move
Beserious [6d\]: who's korondo? 
KurataSan [1d\]: b
martin3141 [-\]: q18 o18 s18 I guess
martin3141 [-\]: (@eurogo)
Syu [1k\]: young samkim is  korondo
Ootakamoku [-\]: martin, is that exchange really needed_
KurataSan [1d\]: its actually
KurataSan [1d\]: Kim Youngsam
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Kim is last year's EGC2011 winner
Ootakamoku [-\]: direct s18 seems to get the job done
wolokom [4k\]: i think two possibilities s 17 Q 17or p 16 but this i am not shure
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: he had 10/10
Syu [1k\]: oh yea, my bad
martin3141 [-\]: just saying: q18 might be a move to think about
Ootakamoku [-\]: okies
dliu301 [2k\]: s18 doesnt defend against q18
Beserious [6d\]: q18 is like negative move 
martin3141 [-\]: but it makes life
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: o18 looks better for this
Ootakamoku [-\]: I think the q18 problem is ok, if w plays s18
Ootakamoku [-\]: since b cant really abuse the q18 weakness full force yet
Ootakamoku [-\]: or w walks out comfortably, pressing n17 group down
KurataSan [1d\]: maybe p18
Beserious [6d\]: w just q17
ohlord [2d\]: s15 now, if s14,s16 the corner looks alive and there is some aji leftwith r14
Ootakamoku [-\]: q17 o18 s16 is the plan bese? but doesnt that releave b of the r14 aji, weakening r10?
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;W[pc]C[ohlord [2d\]: u win :-)
KurataSan [1d\]: haaaaaaaaaaa
KurataSan [1d\]: i knew it
Beserious [6d\]: q17 o18 n16
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;B[rd]C[KurataSan [1d\]: im so freaking good
lemming [?\]: what now, kurata sensei?
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;W[rc]C[lemming [?\]: nvm
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;B[cg]C[wolokom [4k\]: fine
Beserious [6d\]: o16 is open and inside is a 10000 year ko 
KurataSan [1d\]: i said this will happen too
KurataSan [1d\]: E14 now
Idoc [2d\]: you said alot of things kurata
KurataSan [1d\]: most of them happened
Ootakamoku [-\]: e14 is joseki here, but I wonder if w could e15 instead here, since want to deny b the sente at g17?
lemming [?\]: time to create a religion!
Ootakamoku [-\]: and give b d13 in sente instead
KurataSan [1d\]: e15 gives d13
KurataSan [1d\]: as sente
KurataSan [1d\]: b will have to f5 / d7 soon
wolokom [4k\]: g 17?
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;W[lo]C[KurataSan [1d\]: oh?
KurataSan [1d\]: nice
wolokom [4k\]: ah
Ootakamoku [-\]: postponing the problem with ladder breaker..
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;B[cl]C[KurataSan [1d\]: k7 is so cool
wolokom [4k\]: a necesary move
Ootakamoku [-\]: now p4 might be something
KurataSan [1d\]: l7*
Ootakamoku [-\]: tho corner kinda needs some love first, unless they decide they want to start kicking each others donkeys
holynec [-\]: ignore!
KurataSan [1d\]: f5?
Beserious [6d\]: c3 essential 
dliu301 [2k\]: the whole corner turns to trash if b gets c3
Idoc [2d\]: i wouldnt ignore that
Ootakamoku [-\]: the whole corner is trash already
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;W[mq]C[wolokom [4k\]: f 5 cant be good i would play it
KurataSan [1d\]: holy go seigen
Beserious [6d\]: w gambling 
holynec [-\]: no
Ootakamoku [-\]: kicking each others donkeys it is
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: hmmm, feels like rengo : each follow their own direction ^^
Kanin [6d\]: looks to me like black can cut and extend with a good result
Ootakamoku [-\]: m4 o4?
holynec [-\]: :-\]
wolokom [4k\]: if r 4 lives
Ootakamoku [-\]: and w takes whole corner
Ootakamoku [-\]: cut dont look possible to me :(
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;B[om]C[wolokom [4k\]: aha
dliu301 [2k\]: fightinig styl
dliu301 [2k\]: e
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: very nice series of moves by each... i wonder how it all turns out
Idoc [2d\]: it will be caos soon
Beserious [6d\]: kanin your plan is too basic 
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: they seem tenuki masters
Idoc [2d\]: chaos*
Beserious [6d\]: p7 was obvious 
primevoice: strong player likes hurikawari
Syu [1k\]: furi*
primevoice: b want n4 m4 l3 move
primevoice: p7 is pri
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: (i closed the door as it was getting cold)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Free video broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2
Ootakamoku [-\]: isnt this exchange generally kinda good for w, if w just plays q6 now, so b kinda needs this for.. the cut at n4?
wolokom [4k\]: when q6 p5
maciek [3d\]: l3:)
Beserious [6d\]: this move is to break some nasty drive so b could play n4 m4 l3? 
Ootakamoku [-\]: Im so weak I would just play q6 here, and expect to cut
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;W[lp]C[taiji [-\]: hard to comment on such deeply read moves
locker [2d\]: very nice moves by white so far - i like it
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;B[kq]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: q6 now?
reflex: white has so many weak groups
Idoc [2d\]: i predict huge b center
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: o5 looks good for both
wolokom [4k\]: sabaki groups
Ootakamoku [-\]: o5 is sad in the sense that it doesnt protect against b n2, making w pincer around h3 nothing
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: hmm ok
KurataSan [1d\]: euro
KurataSan [1d\]: let me guess
wolokom [4k\]: but w should fix them
KurataSan [1d\]: b has like X2 time than w 
KurataSan [1d\]: left
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;W[np]C[holynec [-\]: wow!
Ootakamoku [-\]: well, w has h3 pincer now
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: b used 16mn, w used 29mn
Ootakamoku [-\]: with c6 weak its not that amazing, but something
Ootakamoku [-\]: while making shape for m4
holynec [-\]: w strong
bv4 [2k\]: c3 makes b strong against pincer?
Ootakamoku [-\]: c3 right now would probably get ignored
lemming [?\]: does c3 help l3 group?
Ootakamoku [-\]: I think w would just press on with the attack on q5, if b played c3
Warfreak2 [4d\]: super korondo
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;B[on]
;W[pl]C[reflex: which player is korondo?
galrock76 [9k?\]: S14 is good?
Idoc [2d\]: k5
Warfreak2 [4d\]: the one who is winning
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;B[oq]C[Gorim [3k\]: korodo = black
Ootakamoku [-\]: what a painfull position for w all the sudden
wolokom [4k\]: now pincer ??
Ootakamoku [-\]: maybe just c3 now
Cassis0 [5d\]: this turns out not very good for b 
Cassis0 [5d\]: w made a good shape
Ootakamoku [-\]: well, the poincer is against efectiveless, since b has n2 to connect under
Ootakamoku [-\]: so, gief w c3
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;W[op]
;B[pq]
;W[nr]
;B[ip]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: b made it easy 
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: indeed
Ootakamoku [-\]: does the corner contain eyespace?
Ootakamoku [-\]: bottom right corner that is, for b
wolokom [4k\]: is cut q 4 sevire 
Ootakamoku [-\]: wolokom, it doesnt seem so
Idoc [2d\]: q4 directly doesnt work
Ootakamoku [-\]: q4 r5 and thew r3 cut doesnt work directly atleast
Ootakamoku [-\]: w could ask at s3 first, then it works if b answers s4
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Free video broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2
Ootakamoku [-\]: tho w s6 dies in the process, but so does p3
Cassis0 [5d\]: s3 is the weakness
Cassis0 [5d\]: wait... no
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;W[ll]C[Idoc [2d\]: s3 s5?
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;B[cq]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: wreck corner eyespace now?
Cassis0 [5d\]: more like s3 s4
Sungod [1d?\]: ok
Cassis0 [5d\]: s3 s4 q4 r5 r3 s2
Cassis0 [5d\]: ah no... 
Idoc [2d\]: dies like that :)
Cassis0 [5d\]: s3 real weakness :) 
Cassis0 [5d\]: s3 s5 r6
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;W[fp]
;B[gp]
;W[eq]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: maybe that's why w played m8 and no c3
Ootakamoku [-\]: e2 g3 f2 h4 g5 j3 is the plan?
Cassis0 [5d\]: to put pressure on q3
Ootakamoku [-\]: so.. b f2 here I guess, to avoid it.
locker [2d\]: thrilling game
Ootakamoku [-\]: hmm.. doesnt work the sequence I provided, w dies in there
Warfreak2 [4d\]: your sequence has w sac two more stones and take l3
Ootakamoku [-\]: ah, right
Ootakamoku [-\]: still kinda meh result, after w added m8
Cassis0 [5d\]: you cant think of h4 when you have an obvious weak group with d4... 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: yes, it's terrible
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: f2 looks honte here
Ootakamoku [-\]: cassis, was thinking if possible to capture enough, could offer a trade to get rid of the weak group
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i would e2
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;B[fo]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: !
lemming [?\]: wat
Ootakamoku [-\]: e2..
Warfreak2 [4d\]: korondo too strong for all of us
Ootakamoku [-\]: w takes life in corner..
holynec [-\]: e4
Warfreak2 [4d\]: one does not simply walk into a corner
tneva82 [17k\]: lol
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not korondo's corner anyway
holynec [-\]: who is korondo?!
wolokom [4k\]: mistake i think
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i doubt that b cares what you think
Ootakamoku [-\]: w e2 looks so.. easy
Warfreak2 [4d\]: illegal not to play e2
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: looks like a trap
Ootakamoku [-\]: e2 b5 maybe.. but..
Warfreak2 [4d\]: e2 c4 i think
Ootakamoku [-\]: the part I cant figure out is when does b think he can capture the ponnuki, if w plays e2
Ootakamoku [-\]: he cant do it right away or he gives w the corner.
Warfreak2 [4d\]: so e2 c4 then w has to connect c6 stone
Warfreak2 [4d\]: then he can capture in sente
Warfreak2 [4d\]: a stupid way would be e2 c4 c5 e4 d3 c2 e5 
Ootakamoku [-\]: w could ko this
Warfreak2 [4d\]: but w surely will resist this
Ootakamoku [-\]: lots of threats against bottom right
Ootakamoku [-\]: maybe e2 first, then start ko
Warfreak2 [4d\]: e5 directly is impossible, b will just e2
wolokom [4k\]: e 2  
Warfreak2 [4d\]: hard to think of any move not obviously a lot worse than e2
SIscurge [5d\]: connect?
Ootakamoku [-\]: w c4 maybe?
Idoc [2d\]: too submissive
Warfreak2 [4d\]: c4 comical
Enceladus [3d?\]: lol
LeonEuler [5k\]: just connect
Ootakamoku [-\]: well, b had like 4 stones agianst 2 in that corner, w should be happy with just settling it
Warfreak2 [4d\]: c4 doesn't settle it
Ootakamoku [-\]: c4 e2 e5 was the idea, but ya
Warfreak2 [4d\]: then b will e6
LeonEuler [5k\]: why not just e5 instead if you're going to do that
Ootakamoku [-\]: then fight ko for big corner
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if you want e5 and don't mind giving me e2, then yes, e5 e2 directly is ok, are you then going to play c4?
Sungod [1d?\]: gg
Warfreak2 [4d\]: ko for big corner?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: even if you win the ko, the corner is still b's
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;W[er]C[LeonEuler [5k\]: tewari anaysis right on
Warfreak2 [4d\]: but it's impossible to fight such a ko
Ootakamoku [-\]: b5
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;B[cp]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: as i predicted
Ootakamoku [-\]: I still dont quite see why c5 doesnt work..
Warfreak2 [4d\]: white c5 then b can capture e4 in sente
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;W[do]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: yes, but what happens to b corner?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's alive
Warfreak2 [4d\]: c5 e4 d3 c2 e5 b4 
holynec [-\]: what wf2 said
LeonEuler [5k\]: this is so heavy for white
Warfreak2 [4d\]: this way, b doesn't even need to capture
Warfreak2 [4d\]: just b2
Ootakamoku [-\]: warfreak, if you play the sequence you described further on, it seems w can actually be happy with it
Ootakamoku [-\]: w gets forcing move both against corner and outside, and gains alot of shape
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no
wolokom [4k\]: i am not shure
Warfreak2 [4d\]: actually b doesn't need to b4 directly, he can atari first
Warfreak2 [4d\]: anyway, if you allow b to capture this f4 stone in sente, b is smiling
galrock76 [9k?\]: f2?
wolokom [4k\]: no
Ootakamoku [-\]: c5 e4 d3 c2 e5 b5 b6 b4 f6 
locusten [8k\]: f2 too small
Ootakamoku [-\]: and it looks like w would have gotten quite alot of shape
galrock76 [9k?\]: ok
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no, ootaka
Warfreak2 [4d\]: never play b5
Ootakamoku [-\]: oh
Warfreak2 [4d\]: play b4 to live with this shape
Warfreak2 [4d\]: but b can atari one stone at e6 first
Ootakamoku [-\]: right
locusten [8k\]: b should tenuki at this pt
Ootakamoku [-\]: ok, then I agree, w would be sad
wolokom [4k\]: no
Warfreak2 [4d\]: korondo magic
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;B[dm]C[LeonEuler [5k\]: he is reading if it is ok to not b2
Warfreak2 [4d\]: amazing
Ootakamoku [-\]: b just claimed w is dead?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w will not die
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: d3 is b sente so b2 seems fine
Ootakamoku [-\]: I agree I cant see how w could die now.. but..
Warfreak2 [4d\]: d3 is b sente so corner lives, yes
Warfreak2 [4d\]: but that costs so w makes eyes
Ootakamoku [-\]: I dont see another reason for this move
wolokom [4k\]: dangerous for both
Warfreak2 [4d\]: to make moyo?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: because w living small in gote, enclosed, is better than w running out?
Ootakamoku [-\]: well, living small without killing b corner would be nice
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b has an incredibly large move at e15 waiting
Warfreak2 [4d\]: both will live, it will be w gote
LeonEuler [5k\]: same with white
Warfreak2 [4d\]: that's reasonable
Ootakamoku [-\]: well, yes, building moyo is obvious, just.. would be scared of investing so much in it
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;W[bo]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: this is no small investemnet
Warfreak2 [4d\]: don't be scared, read
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;B[bp]C[wolokom [4k\]: b5 ??
wolokom [4k\]: b2
Warfreak2 [4d\]: sure it is, the corner will live, so no problem
Ootakamoku [-\]: now it looks like w will run out after all
Ootakamoku [-\]: with ugly d6
Warfreak2 [4d\]: lol
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i will not mourn for black if w plays such an empty triangle
Warfreak2 [4d\]: even so, it won't be out really
Ootakamoku [-\]: it will be a mess, I would guess e3 stones die in the process
Warfreak2 [4d\]: running this way just makes the moyo bigger and doesn't seem to clearly escape
Ootakamoku [-\]: b7 b2 b8?
Ootakamoku [-\]: kinda sad too tho
Warfreak2 [4d\]: d3 is w sente of course, so e3 stones won't drop off
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w has no choice but to cry
wolokom [4k\]: d3 a must
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b2 is a must, seemingly
wolokom [4k\]: i think
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;W[br]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: b2 is like.. 3 point life or something
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: d3 e4 c5 d6 b6 now?
wolokom [4k\]: hm i counted wrong 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: this cut is too slow
Warfreak2 [4d\]: d3 e4 c5 b6 d6 a4 and the corner is dead
Ootakamoku [-\]: ask c5 here?
Sungod [1d?\]: thanks
]
;B[cr]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: sorry, hane d1, not a4
LeonEuler [5k\]: white ahead of liberty
wolokom [4k\]: still d 6
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b has no time to cut at c5
Ootakamoku [-\]: c5 better than d6 now
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: ... w c5 ?
Sungod [1d?\]: that's right!
Ootakamoku [-\]: well, c5 if attempting to race against corner
wolokom [4k\]: ok
]
;W[bl]C[ab [7k\]: then w running to ?
LeonEuler [5k\]: trying to fix defect in sente
]
(;B[ck])
(;B[bk]
;W[bm]C[wolokom [4k\]: hm
Ootakamoku [-\]: nice one..
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not totally fixed though
Warfreak2 [4d\]: an atari at a5 is enough to live with this corner
wolokom [4k\]: try seki
Ootakamoku [-\]: but b has to play d6 to fix in sente
Ootakamoku [-\]: but if tries that then, w gets c5 in return
]
;B[ep]
;W[dq]
;B[bs]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: w could ko vs a5
Warfreak2 [4d\]: then b is smiling more
Ootakamoku [-\]: c9?
wolokom [4k\]: a1
galrock76 [9k?\]: a3?
wolokom [4k\]: b 2 sorry
locker [2d\]: a2 ?
McCallaway [1d\]: A2 then C4 ?
Ootakamoku [-\]: locker, a2 has problem with w a5 and c5
locker [2d\]: then d1 ?
McCallaway [1d\]: yes
Cassis0 [5d\]: b big eye, bid outside
Warfreak2 [4d\]: actually a5 is no problem, b has no liberties inside
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b will prefer to take a4 and then semeai this way
wolokom [4k\]: then seki
Warfreak2 [4d\]: seki is impossible
LeonEuler [5k\]: c9
Ootakamoku [-\]: c9 does look like it will force b to comit more to what he wants
Cassis0 [5d\]: even if b dies inside he will get strong thickness and sente to play e15
LeonEuler [5k\]: no way to kill because defect is still there
Warfreak2 [4d\]: this defect is not important
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b can simply atari d9 before pulling out the stone
Ootakamoku [-\]: that seems like a very good exchange for w
locker [2d\]: first kill better then c9 i guess
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not a good exchange
Ootakamoku [-\]: c9 d9 c10 b10 and later w has d10 which will be very painfull
Warfreak2 [4d\]: you lose a lot of aji that could help you run out at e6
wolokom [4k\]: what may w count ??
Cassis0 [5d\]: thinking about a3? 
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;W[ck]
;B[dk]
;W[cj]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: there u go
]
;B[bj]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Free video broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2
Warfreak2 [4d\]: the game may end quite soon
wolokom [4k\]: has anyone a so w is afraid of cutted of from the center hm
LeonEuler [5k\]: isnt d10 only move
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w might want e8 and then jump at e6
Ootakamoku [-\]: d10 exchange can be made, but no reason yet imo
Ootakamoku [-\]: get back to fighting corner
wolokom [4k\]: i would play it 
Ootakamoku [-\]: this already forced b to comit it, will be sente anytime later too
Ootakamoku [-\]: and w cannot play out the outside anyways, because corner dies when w takes gote on the outside
wolokom [4k\]: but i never got this fine moves 
locker [2d\]: white b11 possible ?
Ootakamoku [-\]: b11 c11 d10 b12 e9 d8 and still no way to kill the b 4 stones
Warfreak2 [4d\]: do not connect d8
Warfreak2 [4d\]: you can play e6 to seal
Ootakamoku [-\]: hmm, true
Warfreak2 [4d\]: sorry, e7 is best
Ootakamoku [-\]: a2 now
Ootakamoku [-\]: dont really understand what w even thinking
JanHao [2d\]: a2 blac a4
Cassis0 [5d\]: thinking about not to die? 
Ootakamoku [-\]: a2 a4 d1 and b wins race?
JanHao [2d\]: d1 black d6
Ootakamoku [-\]: oh, right, lose by 1 lib, even if use c7 aji
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;W[aq]
;B[ap]
;W[ds]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: c1?
Cassis0 [5d\]: kibitz is pretty confident today 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: throw in a2 and then connect
wolokom [4k\]: i cant see how b can live 
Ootakamoku [-\]: hmm, actually, if w had use the c7 aji, and also played a8, doesnt it provide 2 libs, because of w b11 threat?
tneva82 [17k\]: a2, c1 for black next?
tneva82 [17k\]: hmm or maybe doesn't work
JanHao [2d\]: whay not c1 first?
H16 [2d\]: c1 seems fine
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: maybe f1 ... i like that one
H16 [2d\]: throw first lose 1 liberty
tneva82 [17k\]: would c1 result in seki and live that way?
December [2d\]: no
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;B[ci]C[colas [8k\]: a2?
December [2d\]: c1 a2 eating race
tneva82 [17k\]: okay so how black lives that way then? black f1, white a2 and there's dead shape there
wolokom [4k\]: aha
Moma [2k\]: e 15 b big^^
December [2d\]: a2 makes ko
irrcava [5k\]: any way for b to live there without ko?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: :-)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: live locally, no
Ootakamoku [-\]: the c10 aji would have won w the race :(
Cassis0 [5d\]: b is wise 
irrcava [5k\]: ye well sure, you can kill e2  BUT..
irrcava [5k\]: :>
Warfreak2 [4d\]: well, b can throw in a2 and then connect at c1 and fight a semeai
Warfreak2 [4d\]: maybe that will live locally, but probably w wins it
wolokom [4k\]: l 16
Ootakamoku [-\]: feel like w has to end it now in corner
Ootakamoku [-\]: since b c11 took away liberties from w in the semeai
H16 [2d\]: the race is still bad for w i think
KCN [1k\]: b need ko white not
bv4 [2k\]: b can make ko isn't it?
Cassis0 [5d\]: b need nothing, he already gained
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i count w ahead by two libs if they semeai with b's big eye
tneva82 [17k\]: somebody could explain to poor beginner how the black's bottom left group lives?-)
irrcava [5k\]: doesnt r4  need a move?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not including the possibility for w to take f2 and e5 and take more liberties this way
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Free video broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: white has 1h17mn left, b 1h56mn
Ootakamoku [-\]: a2 d6 c5 e5 and w behind by 1 lib?
lemming [?\]: time to grab a bite before finishing the game? :)
wither [3k\]: 1 hour. o gawd
wolokom [4k\]: e 14 j15 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w will not a2
Ootakamoku [-\]: a2 d6 c5 e5 a5 a6 and b wins
LeonEuler [5k\]: w will probably a2
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w will remove libs from outside first
Ootakamoku [-\]: f2 g2 e5 e6 f4 how about start with that, to generate 1 lib?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no need
Warfreak2 [4d\]: actually in your sequence, still b loses by one liberty
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w should take c7 atari
LeonEuler [5k\]: no
Ootakamoku [-\]: the c7 atari fails because b can answer with d10 now
Warfreak2 [4d\]: so?
LeonEuler [5k\]: lose all aji there
Warfreak2 [4d\]: c7 atari succeeds because connecting the b7 stones adds liberties
Ootakamoku [-\]: well, so b dont have to fill b11 to approach from a8 direction
Warfreak2 [4d\]: so what
Warfreak2 [4d\]: he doesn't anyway, those stones are caught in a ladder
]
;W[es]
;B[cs]
;W[co]C[H16 [2d\]: this still a ko
H16 [2d\]: black takes first
H16 [2d\]: so sucky for white
]
;B[ol]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: the ko isnt all horrible for w tho, b has no local threats
Ootakamoku [-\]: which is probably why b wants to resolve the weak groups first, to deny ko threats
LeonEuler [5k\]: well white takes first in this ko so it is ok
Warfreak2 [4d\]: actually even if c10 isn't a ladder, b doesn't need b11 except if w plays something silly like a6
gogonuts [5d\]: w has enough libs that b has to start the ko
]
;W[ar]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: well, after b tenuki, sure
LeonEuler [5k\]: o10
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no
LeonEuler [5k\]: e15
Ootakamoku [-\]: warfreak, Ill clone it, come show how to kill
Warfreak2 [4d\]: even if b doesn't tenuki, w wins this race unless b starts the ko
gogonuts [5d\]: i think i was off by 1 lib
gogonuts [5d\]: now w wins though
lemming [?\]: b ahead?
Ootakamoku [-\]: duh, my bad
LeonEuler [5k\]: k8
gogonuts [5d\]: certainly was ahead before p8 ...
]
;B[qn]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: w wins anyway
Warfreak2 [4d\]: using c7 atari
]
;W[rm]C[irrcava [5k\]: c10 so annoying aji in that wall
wolokom [4k\]: who is ahead
gogonuts [5d\]: that wall is solid
gogonuts [5d\]: because all further moves are sente
]
;B[ro]
;W[ok]C[FlexN [2k\]: white is leading, right?
FlexN [2k\]: uhm or not
]
;B[nk]
;W[oj]C[lemming [?\]: too hard for me to tell ^^;
reflex: anyone at the Congress area? How is Motoki faring against Antti?
]
;B[ln]C[LeonEuler [5k\]: white has more solid points but black has attacking potentials
wolokom [4k\]: now w dies?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: m6 incredible
Warfreak2 [4d\]: korondo magic
gogonuts [5d\]: m6 is certainly rude :-)
lemming [?\]: warfreaks troll magic so strong
gogonuts [5d\]: right on the nose :-)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: this is the nose-picking tesuji
]
;W[jp]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: w gets cut off from the center but gets urm.. l3 stones instead?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i think b will not give up l3
]
;B[jq]
;W[mn]C[wolokom [4k\]: funny and strong 
Ootakamoku [-\]: b n7 
irrcava [5k\]: oh k4 is ladder breaker if b m7, i see
]
;B[fr]
;W[ao]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: urm.. urm.. 
KCN [1k\]: 90% of beginners look at L6
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b's move is n7 locally
Ootakamoku [-\]: warfreak, if you are right about the semai, this move dont make sense, except if w wants to preserve the d10 for some reason
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it does make sense, because to win the semeai w needs to have a5
wolokom [4k\]: what was this?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if b pushes a5 then there's a problem
Ootakamoku [-\]: but couldnt w have played c7 instead of a5, and gotten sente?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no
Ootakamoku [-\]: ...
Warfreak2 [4d\]: that atari doesn't win the semeai if b has a5
December [2d\]: n7 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: because b can hane at a8 and threaten to atari the a6 stone
Warfreak2 [4d\]: that costs liberties
Ootakamoku [-\]: ah, right
dfghjz: kyoungnang didnt attend this year?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: no
December [2d\]: then why
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: n8?
dfghjz: i was looking forward for kyoungnang's games this year
dfghjz: too bad ::P
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Free video broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: n7 ?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: seems likely
ab [7k\]: why not e15 at this point ?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: bigger fish to fry
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: ab: to make center b needs to take care of m8 first i guess
JanHao [2d\]: n7?
Kaete: Can't we see somewhere the game of the french guy next to them on the live video please ? =o
irrcava [5k\]: what about k6?
]
;B[mm]
;W[kn]
;B[lm]
;W[km]
;B[mo]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: n5 odd
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: pierre audouard 5d ? (playing on his special board) or thomas debarre 6d?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: seems b wants to attack the whole thing
Kaete: Thomas Debarre [6d\] ^^
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i though just cut at l5
]
;W[kp]
;B[nn]C[martin3141 [-\]: did that cut work?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: questionably...
]
;W[no]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: not really
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: you can feel the threat of o5's connection
]
;B[qm]
;W[ql]
;B[rk]
;W[pn]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: you can have a little hint of thomas debarre on eurogotv1's background 
wolokom [4k\]: nice
Kaete: Oh, ok, thank you =o
Warfreak2 [4d\]: this is mad
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b cannot consistently play p5
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: and here on this video feed... now
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: ^^
Warfreak2 [4d\]: but it seems terrible if he doesn't
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Free video broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: p5 honte, r8 group will not die anyway
Ootakamoku [-\]: r5 p5 s8 n9 
Ootakamoku [-\]: but p7 will die
]
;B[kl]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: nice!
Ootakamoku [-\]: r5 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: ah, it was a probe
irrcava [5k\]: r5 looks overplay now,  l6 might die
]
;W[jl]
;B[kk]C[Kaete: I don't see the meaning of r5 ? Juste r6 and nothing to fear for b ?
Ootakamoku [-\]: good exchange if w gets r5 for r6
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: kaete: also helps to get s9 aji taken care of
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not really, since b still has a connection at s10
Kaete: Oh I see, thanks
Warfreak2 [4d\]: s10 is the move to remove aji
Kaete: You're right
Warfreak2 [4d\]: then if b connects you can r9 and be alive locally
wolokom [4k\]: j5
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: kim is counting often
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: i guess his opponent too
]
;W[qo]C[LeonEuler [5k\]: black doesnt like playing risky moves it seems
Ootakamoku [-\]: you kidding, right?
Ootakamoku [-\]: feels to me like black is causing 90% of the complications during this game.
LeonEuler [5k\]: one sided complication
]
;B[jo]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: wow, tenuki
Ootakamoku [-\]: w j5 
]
;W[io]
;B[in]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: r6 
Fukurokuji [1k\]: j3 
fris: w is a woman or just a man with long hair?
LeonEuler [5k\]: j3 is losing
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: woman
fris: i see
fris: thanks :)
Ootakamoku [-\]: hmm, maybe just need to k6, as drepressing at it is
Ootakamoku [-\]: as*
]
;W[jn]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: and now ask r5
dfghjz: man with long hair
]
;B[ho]
;W[jk]
;B[lk]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: how can w not play r6?
LeonEuler [5k\]: pretty sure doesnt kill black corner
Ootakamoku [-\]: thats hardly the reason to play it
LeonEuler [5k\]: p5 is conection for black 
Malingo [4d\]: i think w can play s4
Ootakamoku [-\]: oh, jikes, just understood why not r6, its gote..
]
;W[qn]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: ^^
Ootakamoku [-\]: b p5 
Thoravatar [3d\]: s4 to live
LeonEuler [5k\]: white way too heavy on left side, i sense resign in 40 moves
Ootakamoku [-\]: but if b justplayes p5, how can w fix the o3 atari in sente?
Thoravatar [3d\]: good point
Thoravatar [3d\]: so gote
LeonEuler [5k\]: easy give up 5 stones
Ootakamoku [-\]: which 5 stones u talking about?
LeonEuler [5k\]: should probably give up the whole thing
Thoravatar [3d\]: ah no, need to keep white disconnected
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: q4 s4 s3 t5 ?
Ootakamoku [-\]: I think w is actually favourite on this board by a small margin
]
;B[pp]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: well, this does the same thing
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: l6 group should cost points
]
;W[jj]
;B[rj]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: nice
Thoravatar [3d\]: why?
Ootakamoku [-\]: because of the funny connection at p5, w o10 no longer sente..
irrcava [5k\]: w has s4  no worry there
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: lots of points and w may need to r9
Ootakamoku [-\]: well, not sente to steal eyespace atleast
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: ah forgot s4
Ootakamoku [-\]: e15
irrcava [5k\]: k16 
LeonEuler [5k\]: k12
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: j7 ?
Ootakamoku [-\]: g9 more like shape imo, not j7
Ootakamoku [-\]: if that part of the board is where you want to play
Ootakamoku [-\]: but since w k10 stone is sticking its head out, the w group seems quite fine for the moment
sagaciter [8k\]: s4 now?
Thoravatar [3d\]: s10 so slow
LeonEuler [5k\]: not slow if it is sente
Thoravatar [3d\]: it is not
Ootakamoku [-\]: but its not sente
Ootakamoku [-\]: well, s10 is still worth quite a bit in just points
Ootakamoku [-\]: and the board is ratehr booring looking right now
LeonEuler [5k\]: m19
LeonEuler [5k\]: m10
Thoravatar [3d\]: WM2 is bigger than s10
irrcava [5k\]: isnt o3 forcing for b?
Thoravatar [3d\]: hmm maybe s10 prevents WM2 to be sente
LeonEuler [5k\]: why would you force o3 though
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: s10 can lead to b r9 ws4 bs3 wt5 bq9 
LeonEuler [5k\]: pretty sure white wont just give up those stones
Ootakamoku [-\]: r9 q9 
LeonEuler [5k\]: that would be a disaster
Ootakamoku [-\]: in anycase, the local fights look boring, I still think e15 is more interesting
Ootakamoku [-\]: or maybe g17 but.. meh
LeonEuler [5k\]: just m10
Ootakamoku [-\]: ah..
Ootakamoku [-\]: w g17 then b cannot really e14
]
;W[gc]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: as something like f12 will break 2 ladders
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: i was about to say that clinging to those stones looked dangerous
klabauter [2d\]: now b to kill k8 
]
;B[qk]
;W[pk]
;B[rp]
;W[qi]
;B[ri]
;W[ph]
;B[pi]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: inside atari
]
;W[pj]
;B[oh]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: nice double attack
LeonEuler [5k\]: o12
Ootakamoku [-\]: w n10 was played on video
]
;W[mj]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: wut!
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: i know, i play igs too and offline board
]
;B[pg]
;W[mk]
;B[nj]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: urm.. how does this work? looks like w crashing
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: n9 looks dangerous though
Ootakamoku [-\]: since w p5 cut is a ko
]
;W[ni]
;B[nl]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: o7 few libs
Warfreak2 [4d\]: l10 is ok
klabauter [2d\]: w cannot play p5 ...
Ootakamoku [-\]: warfreak l10 p11 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: then p5
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's a ko
Ootakamoku [-\]: that ko looks very heavy for w
Warfreak2 [4d\]: but w takes first
Ootakamoku [-\]: so.. b gets a free move
]
;W[oi]
;B[mi]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: free move in urm.. bottom left?
klabauter [2d\]: the ko is too expensive...
]
;W[mh]
;B[li]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: :-)
Ootakamoku [-\]: w backpedaling as fast as she can
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: she
]
;W[lj]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: l11 l10 l10 p5 ?
irrcava [5k\]: he said she? :)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: oh sorry ^^
sila: b did mistake,right?
irrcava [5k\]: if l8  dead p5 works again
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w fixing middle group ...
Ootakamoku [-\]: b o12 
H16 [2d\]: p5 
]
;B[nh]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: good luck with the ko
sila: eat
LeonEuler [5k\]: eat first
Ootakamoku [-\]: w counting, may resign before even starts ko
LeonEuler [5k\]: eat and no ko
H16 [2d\]: l10 
purun [4k\]: korondo is strong
sila: ko but anyway w win ko
Ootakamoku [-\]: ya.. w will win ko probably.. and lose bottom left
klabauter [2d\]: korondo is black?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w doesn't look worried
Michi86 [5k\]: I thought I saw double ko
purun [4k\]: yes korondo is black
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w has 39mn left, b 1h27mn
Goprince [4d\]: is ko and w takes first
Michi86 [5k\]: horrible ko though
H16 [2d\]: black still lots of ko threats at the bottom left
H16 [2d\]: ...
Goprince [4d\]: no bottom too small
Ootakamoku [-\]: its not the type of ko you play
Ootakamoku [-\]: its you play a threat, and you get ignored
SIscurge [5d\]: double ko ?
Goprince [4d\]: l10 m12 p5 s8 n8 t6 t7 t5 n4 t8 n6 
Goprince [4d\]: not double
Ootakamoku [-\]: and now comes the ridiculous ko
]
;W[kj]
;B[lh]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: wut..
Thoravatar [3d\]: ???
Ootakamoku [-\]: they didnt play ko..
LeonEuler [5k\]: what ko
Goprince [4d\]: what ko...
LaicepS [3k\]: shisho
purun [4k\]: which ko?
Goprince [4d\]: ko is later
Michi86 [5k\]: n6 
Michi86 [5k\]: ko
Thoravatar [3d\]: ko is gone
Ootakamoku [-\]: goprince, Im commenting on whats on video
SIscurge [5d\]: its not ko..
sila: ko is coming
]
;W[oo]C[purun [4k\]: i see, that means w plyas p5.....
]
;B[rl]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: p5 o3 n4 n2 looks very much like ko
Thoravatar [3d\]: black makes big sacrifice
SIscurge [5d\]: ah it is -_-
]
;W[mp]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: but it didnt happen
]
;B[sn]
;W[sm]
;B[so]
;W[ml]
;B[sl]
;W[ph]C[Michi86 [5k\]: here we go
]
;B[cm]C[purun [4k\]: ohoooo
eric1010 [1k\]: ^^
sila: w lost 
Thoravatar [3d\]: is that a real threat?
purun [4k\]: sv_ignoreall 1
zife [-\]: yes
Ootakamoku [-\]: a6 wins the race after this
Liso66 [3k?\]: 2 moves threat?
volatile [1k?\]: well w must ignore
Ootakamoku [-\]: Im suprised b played this ko instead of o3 ko
Thoravatar [3d\]: i thought E6 and A6 where miai
Ootakamoku [-\]: looked like o3 ko would be alot hevier for w
LaicepS [3k\]: ?
Goprince [4d\]: no ko at o3 after take l8
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: ok now w is unhappy
Ootakamoku [-\]: oh, right
Ootakamoku [-\]: thx goprince
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: and looking all over the board
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: instead of just the bottom right part
mooooo [6k\]: w won?
Goprince [4d\]: b
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: not sure yet but...
]
;W[bq]C[eric1010 [1k\]: O_o
Ootakamoku [-\]: what..
eric1010 [1k\]: blakc won
eric1010 [1k\]: xD
purun [4k\]: bloody
]
;B[pi]
;W[dj]C[eric1010 [1k\]: XDDD
Ootakamoku [-\]: slightly desperate feeling with this threat
grumpyjoe [-\]: bottom corner bigger
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: take?
Thoravatar [3d\]: resign sequence
eric1010 [1k\]: take
eric1010 [1k\]: take
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: take
eric1010 [1k\]: take
eric1010 [1k\]: ^^
Itserroth: take
]
;B[qm]C[LeonEuler [5k\]: ladder
Itserroth: hahah
eric1010 [1k\]: *_*
]
;W[di]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: this wont even die
]
;B[dh]C[LovroKlc [-\]: odi si više psu
Draxt [2k\]: even if w succesfully wall at g7 it will not be enough
LovroKlc [-\]: sad si onak 11 minuta zakasnio
Michi86 [5k\]: resign
]
;W[bi]
;B[bh]
;W[ch]
;B[io]
;W[ko]
;B[ci]
;W[ai]C[eric1010 [1k\]: lol
eric1010 [1k\]: white angry
]
;B[ef]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: w still in the game, if all this b group dies
]
;W[eh]C[purun [4k\]: after denial comes anger, until acceptance arrives
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: c12 a9 e11 a10 f12 ?
Ootakamoku [-\]: w will get e6 from this too tho
Ootakamoku [-\]: so maybe htere is a chance
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: you mean b will die gote?
Trie [2d\]: :)
Ootakamoku [-\]: meant that if b tail lives in gote, then w can get e6
Ootakamoku [-\]: which might also be enough for w
]
;B[nb]
;W[ob]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: b relaxed too much after eating
Ootakamoku [-\]: hmm, would be funny if w center group still died
December [2d\]: hungry guy is harry? xD
grumpyjoe [-\]: d12 was not good
]
;B[ei]
;W[ej]
;B[fi]
;W[ch]
;B[dg]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: not harry
December [2d\]: ;p
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: f13?
O3epo: as played Shikshin (board 6)
]
;W[id]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: g12 ?
]
;B[ic]C[klabauter [2d\]: I play f10 soon
]
;W[hc]C[volatile [1k?\]: w behind by about 14?
]
;B[jd]C[H16 [2d\]: i count 20
]
;W[fg]
;B[fh]C[December [2d\]: she did it
Ootakamoku [-\]: going for desperate kill
]
;W[gg]
;B[fj]
;W[ek]
;B[eg]C[volatile [1k?\]: what else can he do
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: she
Trie [2d\]: cry
December [2d\]: cash d7
volatile [1k?\]: w/e
Ootakamoku [-\]: d7 cash wont be enough
]
;W[fk]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: have to attempt kill
klabauter [2d\]: is shikshin-simara already over?
]
;B[dd]
;W[cc]
;B[ci]C[volatile [1k?\]: shikshin v. simara was over at conception. ilja too strong
O3epo: as played Shikshin (board 6)
volatile [1k?\]: does anyone know why artem isn't playing this year?
December [2d\]: over
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: visa pb
Ootakamoku [-\]: having no threats makes killing groups like this kinda difficult
volatile [1k?\]: ahh, too bad. ty
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yvw
Ootakamoku [-\]: w should have gone with the nuts threat at e15 :)
]
;W[ed]
;B[fd]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: ?
]
;W[ec]C[volatile [1k?\]: does it really annoy anyone else when people use poker or starcraft terminology for go? or am i just weird
]
;B[ie]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: I wasnt using nuts in the poker sense in this case
volatile [1k?\]: ahh
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: wow
volatile [1k?\]: not aware of any other sense of the word. at least, not appropriate to your usage
lemming [?\]: it's way less stressful to not be purist :)
Ootakamoku [-\]: maybe you have been playing too much poker?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: that shows confidence
volatile [1k?\]: i haven't played poker since college
volatile [1k?\]: so, no :-)
grumpyjoe [-\]: j15 so good
Ootakamoku [-\]: e15
volatile [1k?\]: j15 is a move i wouldn't conceive of
Ootakamoku [-\]: problem is ofcourse, b can still live with the ko
Ootakamoku [-\]: and still w has no threats
December [2d\]: e15 h12
December [2d\]: f15 or g15 ?
]
;W[ge]C[Pawelp [6k\]: who is playing now?
December [2d\]: harry
]
;B[hi]C[volatile [1k?\]: seung hee ryu (w) v. young sam kim
Pawelp [6k\]: thx
December [2d\]: np
December [2d\]: j12
December [2d\]: ends up to ko is best for w.. b+
mooooo [6k\]: j12
Ootakamoku [-\]: I rly dont see how w plans to ever win this game.
Ootakamoku [-\]: no way to kill b, since no ko threats
mooooo [6k\]: kill f11
]
;W[ig]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: b will probably start ko now
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: time for a12?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: wow
]
;B[en]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: e6, insult to injury
mooooo [6k\]: a9?
volatile [1k?\]: e6 seems risky to me
CBlue [?\]: g9
wolokom [4k\]: may by but try something better 
wolokom [4k\]: h 9
]
;W[ch]
;B[jh]
;W[jg]
;B[ci]C[mooooo [6k\]: why did he start th eko instead of just a9?
LeonEuler [5k\]: to kill
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: k11 connects...
]
;W[lr]
;B[kr]
;W[ch]C[LeonEuler [5k\]: guess just playing end game
wolokom [4k\]: w surrender ?
Michi86 [5k\]: Looking for place to surrender ;)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: dangerous to not connect, no?
LeonEuler [5k\]: if black does not blunder 
Ootakamoku [-\]: this ko affects if b has eye at b13 or not
Ootakamoku [-\]: which affects does b have to take gote to save his group or not
]
;B[sc]
;W[sb]C[KCN [1k\]: that point was long before
]
;B[sd]
;W[qd]
;B[re]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: failthreat by b?
klabauter [2d\]: w is hopeless?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: if b simply k11 i think it's easy win?
KCN [1k\]: only chance is to shut the d13 giraffe
Ootakamoku [-\]: w has 5min maintime left?
December [2d\]: j11
]
;W[ii]
;B[gk]
;W[gl]
;B[hk]C[ab [7k\]: is balck +50 correct estimation ?
volatile [1k?\]: no
LeonEuler [5k\]: would be funny if black dies
]
;W[hl]
;B[ci]C[wolokom [4k\]: last hope  but no way
Ootakamoku [-\]: b+15 looks about right, maybe slightly more with the topright group being so weak
Ootakamoku [-\]: I wonder if w is planning to sacrifice topright, for this kill
December [2d\]: j3
LeonEuler [5k\]: top right is ko
Ootakamoku [-\]: in corner its ko, but looks like w has enough aji on outside to make something
Mukti [4d\]: B is alove, so ur no longer matters. w has no threats
Mukti [4d\]: alive*
]
;W[nc]
;B[mb]
;W[ch]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: b aint alive as far as I can see
Ootakamoku [-\]: b has 3 gote eyes
]
;B[gh]C[Mukti [4d\]: b could have lived by connecting.
Mukti [4d\]: But he is not afraid of this ko, as w has no hreats.
]
;W[md]
;B[ld]
;W[le]C[O3epo: as played Shikshin (board 6)
December [2d\]: 7d!!!
December [2d\]: no joke!
]
;B[nd]
;W[me]
;B[od]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: pwnd!
Ootakamoku [-\]: res before next move
]
;W[ke]
;B[rb]
;W[ra]
;B[sa]
;W[hh]
;B[ih]
;W[hg]
;B[ij]C[volatile [1k?\]: maybe +50 is accurate now
December [2d\]: do it w!
]
;W[sb]
;B[qb]
;W[pb]
;B[sa]
;W[ji]C[volatile [1k?\]: just live b for the love of god
Ootakamoku [-\]: b could kill topright
Ootakamoku [-\]: and then live in ko with the dragon
]
;B[ee]
;W[sb]C[volatile [1k?\]: should live and kill with ko
volatile [1k?\]: not vice versa
Ootakamoku [-\]: mo threats other way around
Ootakamoku [-\]: alot more
]
;B[kh]C[volatile [1k?\]: he doesn't need to kill to win
]
;W[je]
;B[sa]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: no, but he has a chance to humiliate his opponent
]
;W[gj]C[volatile [1k?\]: why would he want to do that
Ootakamoku [-\]: he should take it
]
;B[hj]
;W[sb]
;B[hd]
;W[gd]C[Stable [4d?\]: drive the opponent before him, hear the lamentation of their womenfolk etc.
]
;B[sa]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: besides, killing ropgith would resolve any abmigiuties with k17 group
]
;W[ik]
;B[gi]
;W[sb]C[volatile [1k?\]: ropgoth. what language is this
]
;B[jf]C[December [2d\]: w ends up crying
Ootakamoku [-\]: topright*
volatile [1k?\]: ootaku, do you also make a friend account for a 2 dollar debt?
]
;W[kd]C[December [2d\]: ropgith dies i think because no lopreeft threat
]
;B[sa]C[Stable [4d?\]: top leerft?
]
;W[iq]
;B[ir]
;W[sb]
;B[ls]C[volatile [1k?\]: m16 please
]
;W[qa]
;B[im]C[December [2d\]: nooo
Mokki [2d\]: hmm! maybe death
]
;W[ms]
;B[mr]
;W[mn]
;B[nm]
;W[lr]
;B[ks]
;W[or]
;B[mr]C[Trie [2d\]: bigger ko
December [2d\]: j8 double ko
volatile [1k?\]: b top is dead without m17?
December [2d\]: k7
LeonEuler [5k\]: yes
Ootakamoku [-\]: there is the minor issue with center dying
volatile [1k?\]: obviously
]
;W[fm]
;B[il]C[Trie [2d\]: centre is small in Go
]
;W[lr]
;B[pr]
;W[os]
;B[mr]C[wither [3k\]: center should try not to die
]
;W[jm]
;B[kk]
;W[lr]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: well, I kinda read this out earlier.. at move 166 I could see this happening.
ekku [-\]: Does anyone know how Antti vs. Motoki game is going?
]
;B[kb]C[fris: if you say so Trie, you'll never get good at go
volatile [1k?\]: must ignore
December [2d\]: do it w!
Trie [2d\]: I don't say it, teachers do
Ootakamoku [-\]: need kill for win.. must find obscure threat..
volatile [1k?\]: w really got his butt kicked
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: B+R
volatile [1k?\]: ty
Trie [2d\]: gg
LeonEuler [5k\]: black so strong'
Michi86 [5k\]: Any news from Antti?
LeonEuler [5k\]: feels strong like lee changhao
Michi86 [5k\]: still going?
AngkorThom [4k?\]: both very strong but strong like changhao .. :)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Free video broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: for the commentary
gnarf [1k\]: thx eurogotv
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: you're welcome
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: very cool game
Warfreak2 [4d\]: korondo power
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: i'll zoom
klabauter [2d\]: .
])))
