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RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Championship 2012 FINAL]PW[Ilia Shikshin]PB[Jan Simara]WR[7d]BR[6d]DT[2012-08-04]PC[Bonn, Germany]US[HW9x9]C[hvk [-\]: HI
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hi^^
TurtleDove [4k\]: good morning
erwe: Ilia sure is stronger but Jan will win. Karma is with him this tournament
Syu [2k\]: who is karma?
TurtleDove [4k\]: Ilya had 2 tough games in the last 2 rounds. amazing wins
goBum [1k\]: exciting game from far away
TurtleDove [4k\]: video ?
Martin82 [2k?\]: good morning!
HisokaH [-\]: hi
mpepe16 [6d\]: So simara dare to play san-ren-sei against ilya?
Kanin [6d\]: I think that's the only way he might get an edge, moyo
Kanin [6d\]: was interesting that he got black, should change the odds some
Kanin [6d\]: I still five 3 to 1 on ilya, any takers?
Kanin [6d\]: give*
jast [1k\]: always fun the cheer on the underdog ^^
jast [1k\]: always fun to cheer on the underdog :)
goBum [1k\]: *\\o/* *\\o/*
Martin82 [2k?\]: video does not show a live picture yet, but some older commentary.
TurtleDove [4k\]: Murugandi still on video :(
vegmandu [3d\]: can someone giveme the video link?
TurtleDove [4k\]: it's in EuroGoTV1 info
ibyr [3k\]: Ilya mental strenth is worth about 1 stone, so I think He will win
Sungod [1k?\]: ilya for the win
ivank [3k\]: go, Ilya!
maligo [5d\]: Ilia has a better haircut so i think he will win
Zachmura [3d\]: Písa for the European Champion!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: INTERNET here SUCKS!
Kanin [6d\]: oh, so the game actually started already?
mihi [5d\]: Go Simara!
Kanin [6d\]: eurogotv, you don't have anyone there with a dongel?
Kanin [6d\]: I mean, it's germany...
go [-\]: no stream yet
Kanin [6d\]: tether from someones phone or whatever
gogonuts [5d\]: not easy to find such bad internet in germany :-)
WestEvil [7k\]: Ilia will win
Sven84 [2k\]: bonn was forgotten by the telcos since it stopped being the capital ;)
Sungod [1k?\]: ..
go [-\]: http://www.egc2012.eu/welcome
gogonuts [5d\]: it is now the mecklenburg-vorpommern of the west
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i am using a dongel now
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: but not good for TV stream
Kanin [6d\]: :(
KurataSan [1d\]: can i watch this game live?
gogonuts [5d\]: so we cant watch ilya rocking, too bad :-)
KurataSan [1d\]: a
KurataSan [1d\]: h
KurataSan [1d\]: ok
SIscurge [5d\]: is there going to be the match for third place broadcasted?
Shedal [?\]: yes
SIscurge [5d\]: yay
gogonuts [5d\]: but is it so bad today, worked before after all?
gogonuts [5d\]: but why i mean
Kanin [6d\]: ilya is one of those players who could probably gain a stone by simply building up his physique a little (no pun intended)
goBum [1k\]: gogonuts [5d\]: so we cant watch ilya rocking, too bad :-) <- lol he was so steady on the semi-final wasn't he
oddalot [4k\]: OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG IS THIS THE FINAL??
ErgoProxy [5d\]: why isnt eurogotv 2 and 3 broadcasting? I wanna see 3 games at the same time
goBum [1k\]: omg yes :-D oddalot
snowman [-\]: you could be there yourself, ergo
gogonuts [5d\]: this is the one game to rule them all
goBum [1k\]: why you need 2 and 3 when you got 1
profan [-\]: black better now! ^^
ErgoProxy [5d\]: No I couldnt. Im in Finland
snowman [-\]: "could"
Shedal [?\]: Actually, W is better now
goBum [1k\]: should ready my nuts and tea
isphel: shin shin fuseki
profan [-\]: no, always think 1 move ahead, black is better ^^
SIscurge [5d\]: Czech republic had 2 representants in top 8 :P
shakti [-\]: black will win
jast [1k\]: most certainly
Martin82 [2k?\]: you have moves? I dont.
eve20 [1k\]: w sure win
jast [1k\]: I got many moves ;)
legeh [3k\]: ilya will win
profan [-\]: i bet q16 ^^
goBum [1k\]: you should have seen w play yesterday
p2501 [?\]: yesterdays board1 game was amazing
goBum [1k\]: w really took a long time strategizing 
TurtleDove [4k\]: so complicated
WestEvil [7k\]: Jan has already resigned?
vegmandu [3d\]: :)
legeh [3k\]: lol
vegmandu [3d\]: Anyone know whats going on?
maligo [5d\]: has the game begun?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no good internet
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: rebooting
HarryLime [1k\]: first move decisive
goBum [1k\]: ok, please come back soon T_T
Enceladus [3d?\]: they still didn't start?
TurtleDove [4k\]: nah, always start fashionably late
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;B[pd]
;W[dp]C[goBum [1k\]: gg!
iju [-\]: yey!
p2501 [?\]: gg
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;B[pp]C[Enceladus [3d?\]: GG
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;W[dd]C[ivank [3k\]: q10 
shenzhen [3d\]: no egtv2 today? will it appear if internet recovers?
gogonuts [5d\]: f3
viu30h [5k\]: should be it was announced yesterday that we have 2 boards today
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: waiting for internet connection to reboot
profan [-\]: considering results is really shikshin fuseki the weak point, or is just a different way to play?
shenzhen [3d\]: ah ok cool, damn technology!
goBum [1k\]: what weak point?
profan [-\]: use linux reboot faster ^^
shenzhen [3d\]: shikshin keeps owning opponent in fuseki
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;B[fc]
;W[cf]C[shenzhen [3d\]: he just forgets how to play go for a bit in the middle
shenzhen [3d\]: and then goes crazy and kills everything
Sungod [1k?\]: haha
shenzhen [3d\]: interesting style :)
gogonuts [5d\]: does f3 count as correct? :-)
profan [-\]: i remember with cornel he did bad in fuseki
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;B[jd]C[ivank [3k\]: yes)
shenzhen [3d\]: last two games he almost won the game in the first corner ;)
go [-\]: so far a normal opening
goBum [1k\]: he lost vs breakfast...!
p2501 [?\]: they lose against each other a lot
Kanin [6d\]: oh, artem is here
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;W[qf]C[gogonuts [5d\]: now r14 is most usual
Kanin [6d\]: that guy beat ilia, I seem to remember ;)
goBum [1k\]: so, normal opening?
Akari1 [1k\]: pedestrian
Backflash [6k\]: looks like it
gogonuts [5d\]: r12 or o17 or q14 all playable
shenzhen [3d\]: r12 and the boring opening?
akanwa [4d\]: let´s see for how long :)
shenzhen [3d\]: q14 too urgh
shenzhen [3d\]: if he plays that i'll eat my hat
Muttley [2k\]: film it.
shenzhen [3d\]: ok
Zachmura [3d\]: and timestamp
gogonuts [5d\]: do you have a hat at hand? :-)
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;B[nd]C[gogonuts [5d\]: oh
vegmandu [3d\]: whats up with the video?
shenzhen [3d\]: sure, always have a hat present
Backflash [6k\]: b lost
Backflash [6k\]: he played my move
gogonuts [5d\]: now thats unuual :-)
vegmandu [3d\]: oh its on
goBum [1k\]: thinking hat
shenzhen [3d\]: s16 r17 r11 coming up?
Martin82 [2k?\]: video fine ow
shenzhen [3d\]: or ilya can find a fighting line ? :)
Blaubaer [5d\]: maybe s16 r13?
purun [3k\]: flashback vs roln111
Shedal [?\]: I think Ilya will win anyway... So I'm gonna root for Jan :-)
shenzhen [3d\]: r13 really useful in this position?
Limbert: would r17 be bad spacing in this situation?
Pinguschaf [?\]: I expected a pincer
profan [-\]: well, this situation i need a bit of strategy lesson
TurtleDove [4k\]: yay, pictures ! .. and the Go ghosts dancing
Blaubaer [5d\]: no Limbert dont know
Enceladus [3d?\]: r17 
gogonuts [5d\]: o16 doesnt look good to me, it makes r17 too nice for w later, imo
profan [-\]: r14 is s16 good continuation for w?
Blaubaer [5d\]: maybe w r17 now?
ivank [3k\]: hmm
gogonuts [5d\]: o16 does make it a little harder for w to play r6 now though
eisenberg [7k\]: o3?
profan [-\]: is invasion sente now?
calgacus [1d?\]: Is this Simara's best ever EGC result?
Limbert: i was wondering that too, but maybe b will become too strong outside
Limbert: because of q4
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;W[qj]C[shenzhen [3d\]: i have 3 pro games with this shape, two play s16, one plays r11, w wins them all
gogonuts [5d\]: r10 looks good to me
go [-\]: sangen biraki
gogonuts [5d\]: b really has to play the pressure move at r8 now
goBum [1k\]: what about f3?
jamk [1k\]: r8 is so far, r7 is enought
gogonuts [5d\]: but it wont be easy to justify o16 in the end, imo
Limbert: but w still has s16
Liso66 [3k?\]: eurogotv2 is on kgs but there is not brodcast... why? 
profan [-\]: f3 looks possible?
eisenberg [7k\]: r7 enough for black?
gogonuts [5d\]: no
gogonuts [5d\]: must pressure at r8
eisenberg [7k\]: ;o)
Limbert: how would w respond to r8?
jamk [1k\]: with r8 you are splitted easilly with R6
gogonuts [5d\]: so that he can play r12 if w s16
Limbert: im thinking w s16 is r8
profan [-\]: r8 i imagine that w jump in r3 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: EuroGoTV2 will be online soon
Limbert: if*
Malingo [4d\]: r8 looks bad to me
TurtleDove [4k\]: hmm, beard of the week watching
shenzhen [3d\]: cheater and thomas up :)
gogonuts [5d\]: after b r8 w has to take care of his 2 stones above
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: online!
Blaubaer [5d\]: r8 f3 or c6 for me
goBum [1k\]: i say approach open corner first 
chagi [6k?\]: R6 good enough ?
profan [-\]: thanks to EuroGoTV1 for relay ^^
gogonuts [5d\]: r6 is better than r7, but not enough pressure
Limbert: maybe right bum
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;B[fq]
;W[dn]C[Zachmura [3d\]: K4
Limbert: i dont see w wanting to play on the right first now
eisenberg [7k\]: j3
Limbert: i think c8
profan [-\]: shikshin does not play k4 ^^
conrad35 [3k\]: ilia built a pyramid with stones. another attempt to destabilize. But what are the police?
wojtek85 [1d\]: what komi?
go [-\]: 6.5
shenzhen [3d\]: k4 r6 would make this game a pretty funny shape
maligo [5d\]: how did the silt-surma game end?
wojtek85 [1d\]: hard for b
TurtleDove [4k\]: pyramid seems heavy
gogonuts [5d\]: its all because of o16
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;B[jp]C[shenzhen [3d\]: silt won
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;W[qn]
;B[np]C[shenzhen [3d\]: lol
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
shenzhen [3d\]: p10 now
Limbert: wow
shenzhen [3d\]: only move
snowman [-\]: lål
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;W[qc]C[shenzhen [3d\]: gotta go for the symmetry
profan [-\]: O.o
ivank [3k\]: b is so high
Enceladus [3d?\]: they playung fast
profan [-\]: he played k4 
shenzhen [3d\]: aww ilya has real tactics
shenzhen [3d\]: lame
gdghgjd [3d\]: b plays what he knows best it seems
Sven84 [2k\]: i hope b has a plan
Blaubaer [5d\]: this looks easy to play for w?
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;B[qd]C[gogonuts [5d\]: wow, that was fast
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;W[rd]C[shenzhen [3d\]: yeah i like w too
profan [-\]: tremendous curse is coming! ^^
Pinguschaf [?\]: hmm I´ve seen the exact same opening somewhere... I wonder where
gogonuts [5d\]: so hard for me to decide between r17 and r3 :-)
windows8 [5k\]: sorry, what tournament is it?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: EuroGoTV2 is online too now
goBum [1k\]: tv1 working?
gogonuts [5d\]: because of c14 and d6 there must be a difference - but what is it? :-)
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;B[pc]
;W[rb]
;B[qb]
;W[rc]C[shenzhen [3d\]: oo wow one of the koreans lost to zhao pei yesterday
gdghgjd [3d\]: windows8, it's the final of the european championship
Pinguschaf [?\]: R17 is clearly better
Limbert: why?
go [-\]: black wants sente
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
Blaubaer [5d\]: why?
goBum [1k\]: how to approach left side now
Limbert: i like c8 still
Martin82 [2k?\]: he played c8
gdghgjd [3d\]: spoiler alert
gogonuts [5d\]: looks like c8 to me too
Martin82 [2k?\]: sorry ;)
gogonuts [5d\]: closing the bottom right looks passive
purun [3k\]: now the one who left is Jan.....
BlackSmurf [2k\]: what color is roln ? and who is the other player plz ?
oddalot [4k\]: is that a european thing to wear the same shirt two days in a row?
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;B[cl]C[snowman [-\]: shikshin is white, simara black
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;W[cj]C[purun [3k\]: nah me 4 days but i'm not european
Vandal [?\]: lol@odd
BlackSmurf [2k\]: thx
Limbert: ya after its played it looks like the best move there 
go [-\]: e8 
gdghgjd [3d\]: simara is older 
TurtleDove [4k\]: times are hard. who owns 2 shirts ?
LW93 [4k\]: is that an american thing having more than one shirt?
gogonuts [5d\]: 4 point lead for w :-)
oddalot [4k\]: in soviet russian shirt wears you!
Limbert: i always like seeing the outcome
YuBaba [2d\]: is their ranking kgs ranking, or real league?
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;B[el]C[ivank [3k\]: european
sheeryjay [?\]: egf rank
YuBaba [2d\]: kay thx
Sungod [1k?\]: g5?
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;W[cm]C[Sungod [1k?\]: f6?
eslite [3k\]: shiikshin = roln111 8dan kgs
gogonuts [5d\]: stingy w :-)
Limbert: c12?
Vandal [?\]: Who is in this match? Phone app doesn't tell me. 
Limbert: now im just guessing
Pinguschaf [?\]: c7 is standard
Pinguschaf [?\]: not stingy
legeh [3k\]: w ilya - b simara
oddalot [4k\]: This guy is going to get his butt handed to him by roln111
Sungod [1k?\]: yeah but after how white jump?
Limbert: someone mispelled his name as illia ;)
ivank [3k\]: little difference
Limbert: ya it sounds the same
goBum [1k\]: ilya :-)
Limbert: the  next move is hard yes?
mihi [5d\]: F6
LW93 [4k\]: it's french
azblueeyes [9k\]: p10 :P
LW93 [4k\]: il y a
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Anyway, on behalve of the EuroGoTV team i would like to thank you all for the many donations last 2 weeks!
gogonuts [5d\]: is b8 heavy or needed?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: nice to see that our services are so much appriciated!
Higanbana [?\]: We appreciate your videos eurogo
go [-\]: c9 is also an option
ivank [3k\]: thank you for all)
Limbert: maybe not heavy, b has places to run
gogonuts [5d\]: c9 for d10 too painful here imo+
vegmandu [3d\]: what do you think ok b7?
gogonuts [5d\]: i think its a little too nice for ws corner
viu30h [5k\]: i didnt expect c7 looks kinda uglyish to my weak 5k eyes    i thought of g5 something 
Limbert: b7 gets cut
androgo [2d\]: who is playing? (mobile client ...)
gogonuts [5d\]: doesn t get cut
gogonuts [5d\]: but does help the corner
go [-\]: Shikshin versus Simara 
Limbert: oh sorry
CarterKane [5d\]: just b8 I think
CarterKane [5d\]: later c12
gogonuts [5d\]: b8 e10 d7 ?
androgo [2d\]: tx shikshin is b?
go [-\]: no
TurtleDove [4k\]: W
ederlezi [3k\]: is that a trick question?
gdghgjd [3d\]: I would play e10
go [-\]: mobile ederlezi
LW93 [4k\]: i would politely resign and shake hands
CarterKane [5d\]: hmm maybe b7 b6 s4
Striker [-\]: what is joseki here?
androgo [2d\]: no, my mobile client doesnt show that. hope this will be fixed one day
gogonuts [5d\]: b could actually also tenuki
gogonuts [5d\]: for example s5
CarterKane [5d\]: b7 b6 s4
redreoicy [2k\]: e10 d12 c9 
eve20 [1k\]: test
eisenberg [7k\]: is that considered like a midddle josek i?
CarterKane [5d\]: redreoicy, I think that's not a good idea, since white gets both upper side and lower side and sente, while black partically gets nothing
Limbert: b really really thinking
windows8 [5k\]: b thinking, or smth happen?
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;B[bl]
;W[fn]C[goBum [1k\]: b8 after all
iju [-\]: fight!
windows8 [5k\]: just 2-3 attacking moves
Limbert: i guess this way b can play the bottom lightly and still attack the top right
pollybis [3d\]: c3 is tempting for b
Limbert: c12 i think
CarterKane [5d\]: c12 also tempting
go [-\]: eh, the top right is more or less played out
Kanin [6d\]: I find black heavy, and with a borken up openign here
Limbert: sorry i meant top left
Kanin [6d\]: broken*, so I prefer white
pollybis [3d\]: b is heavy
goBum [1k\]: f7 too good
pollybis [3d\]: why not become heavier with forcing moves at q10 etc
o9ijhg: e10
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;B[ej]C[gogonuts [5d\]: natural
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;W[dh]C[goBum [1k\]: f6* i'm blind
o9ijhg: \\o/
Limbert: b will play better here because he has more to lose :P
gogonuts [5d\]: simple g8 ok imo
CarterKane [5d\]: what is the usage of e10?
Enceladus [3d?\]: game is so basic so far
o9ijhg: c3
gogonuts [5d\]: i really didnt expect f6
Limbert: no idea
Excalibor [6k\]: g8 better than, eg. h9?
gogonuts [5d\]: e10 is very useful
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;B[fp]C[windows8 [5k\]: wow!
windows8 [5k\]: nice!
gogonuts [5d\]: because w e10 would ruin bs shape
goBum [1k\]: :-D nice
gogonuts [5d\]: nasty
Limbert: why this?
gogonuts [5d\]: :-)
shenzhen [4d\]: shape
o9ijhg: c3
gdghgjd [3d\]: cash
Blaubaer [5d\]: wf5?
gogonuts [5d\]: if w f5 that exchange was good for b
Excalibor [6k\]: now w forced to take the corner?
Limbert: w now d3"{
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;W[dq]C[Gekirin [2d\]: it's last Illia's game in final?
Excalibor [6k\]: nod, but w has an open skirt... interesting
CarterKane [5d\]: if d3, b still has b6 or c5
gogonuts [5d\]: i really think e10 was more important for w than f6
Shedal [?\]: It is the final game of the final
gogonuts [5d\]: because of the close pioncer at c10
Sungod [1k?\]: yea
Vondel [2k\]: C5 probe now possible ?
o9ijhg: b6
gogonuts [5d\]: ask at c5?
gogonuts [5d\]: right
Gekirin [2d\]: Shedal how about Debarre?
Vondel [2k\]: yesh
windows8 [5k\]: gogonuts, if w e10 b f6 ? 
go [-\]: f4 d3 exchange is new for me
gogonuts [5d\]: but its easy for us to say :-)
Limbert: but if b got f6, wouldnt the right side be more attackable?
Ruffy [1d\]: go jan
Ruffy [1d\]: !
gogonuts [5d\]: b has to do some reading first
shenzhen [4d\]: i like c5 now too
Pinguschaf [?\]: i like f4 :)
Shedal [?\]: Gekirin, Debarre lost to Ilya yesterday
Limbert: p10 now?
Gekirin [2d\]: i know but Debarre plays too
eisenberg [7k\]: c17?
legeh [3k\]: for the 3 place
Shedal [?\]: gogonuts, what's the purpose of C5?
Gekirin [2d\]: play*
Limbert: no, cant leave the left yet lol, maybe h9
gogonuts [5d\]: make w chose
ChrisHH [3d\]: c5 looks like a good question
gogonuts [5d\]: w cant really cut it off because b has e5 then
Limbert: is c5 urgent though?
Vandal [?\]: g8
legeh [3k\]: eurogo is escaping again
goBum [1k\]: r8?
Limbert: not urgent sorry, is it appropriate for now?
gogonuts [5d\]: is quite urgent because w b7 would completely take the corner
ChrisHH [3d\]: W must answer c5 at d5 so its sente
Limbert: hm
Madzik [29k\]: e12
Limbert: i see
Martin82 [2k?\]: c5 also may hep bs group to get eyeshape
Martin82 [2k?\]: help*
Limbert: so if w blocks at b7 then b cuts f6 off
goBum [1k\]: can b just monkey jump on the corner
gogonuts [5d\]: no
gogonuts [5d\]: monkey jump would be awful
Pinguschaf [?\]: if u exchange c5 with d5, u should directly continue locally
Pinguschaf [?\]: so its not just a test move, u should be sure now
gogonuts [5d\]: compare monkey to c5 d5 b6 
ibyr [3k\]: You should bear in Yours minde that Ilya won with two or three people whu were studying in SK, so maybe He is really gifted in Go.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
ChrisHH [3d\]: after c5 d5 then b6 is almost sente too
Pinguschaf [?\]: i dont think c5 now is so good, if u just continue with b6
goBum [1k\]: c5 yeah that's clear
Pinguschaf [?\]: and what is b6 giving you right now?
viu30h [5k\]: hes certainly gifted in getting away with everything        the debarre game was so facepalm lol
gogonuts [5d\]: you prefer b7?
Pinguschaf [?\]: no, i prefer to not play c5 right now  :)
gogonuts [5d\]: hm
desdf3: e15
goBum [1k\]: what "SK" ibyr
gdghgjd [3d\]: why do you have to continue locally after c5,d5?
Limbert: i prefer b7 in answer to c5 
Zachmura [3d\]: SK = South Korea, not Slovakia
Pinguschaf [?\]: because i see no good continuation
gogonuts [5d\]: i would hate to see w get b7 as b
Pinguschaf [?\]: really?
ChrisHH [3d\]: b6 seems also interesting
Pinguschaf [?\]: why would you hate that
Pinguschaf [?\]: s4 for instance is a much bigger move
Pinguschaf [?\]: or c17
gogonuts [5d\]: because it takes a big corner while denying b eye space
Pinguschaf [?\]: comparing to those moves b7 is peanuts
Pinguschaf [?\]: the corner is already white
Vandal [?\]: w b7 gote, he wont play this early
Troilos [3d\]: s4 big now
Pinguschaf [?\]: b7 is mostly yose
Martin82 [2k?\]: i dont think c5 is urgent either. wb7 would be jose. strictly territorial. no?
go [-\]: s4 can be ignored because r8 is not very good
hydroxide [-\]: lol ilya looks so bored
gdghgjd [3d\]: the lower side is most important now
Sungod [1k?\]: ok
gooooo [3k?\]: who are playing?
Limbert: how much time does each have?
gogonuts [5d\]: it says here
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;B[ci]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: he is just saying if e8 gets attacked, b7 may become sente
Pinguschaf [?\]: well gogo is right that b gets less eyeshape
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;W[di]
;B[dj]C[Martin82 [2k?\]: 150min+byo yomi
gooooo [3k?\]: gogo, where?
Limbert: oh ok :P
gdghgjd [3d\]: b going for s4?
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;W[ch]C[gooooo [3k?\]: android...
Pinguschaf [?\]: hmm this looks like b wants to tenuki, yeah
gogonuts [5d\]: ok, he doesnt want c5, but does want some security :-)
Limbert: looks like b setting up for c5
Pinguschaf [?\]: there is nothing to set up for c5
Pinguschaf [?\]: if u wanna play it, it works directly
androgo [2d\]: shikshin is w vs simara
kholdan [10k?\]: Shikshin vs Simara
goBum [1k\]: meh what is this for
go [-\]: safety
Limbert: it works, but im seeing it in terms of cutting w off
gogonuts [5d\]: problem with s4 or s5 now is that it just makes w m3 better
goBum [1k\]: now w can h16 or something
Limbert: i was seeing something like c5 b7 e5
Pinguschaf [?\]: i like iliya´s choice of c12
gogonuts [5d\]: so maybe s17?
Pinguschaf [?\]: i would probably play b11 without much thinking :P
gdghgjd [3d\]: c11 is for strengthening himself, but if that would be his plan just c5,d5 is better
Limbert: but if w sees b7 as small then it makes little sense
sarmale [4k?\]: Simara !
Orandajinn [2k\]: penguin eleven in the building
Timk [1k\]: b11 b10 c9 b12 ?
go [-\]: c17 is also an option, but no idea if it is any good
gogonuts [5d\]: i meant c17
gdghgjd [3d\]: w+time
goBum [1k\]: lol
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;B[bn]C[gogonuts [5d\]: is there an advantage to omiting b c5?
Limbert: how should answe?
gdghgjd [3d\]: is this sente like c5?
eisenberg [7k\]: ilia's got a kgs account?
Pinguschaf [?\]: yes there is
legeh [3k\]: roln111
Zachmura [3d\]: roln111
Pinguschaf [?\]: if w answers b4, u could still play e5
ChrisHH [3d\]: b6 is harder for W to answer
go [-\]: this way black keeps e5 in reserve
Pinguschaf [?\]: if u directly exchange c5, there is nothing
eisenberg [7k\]: thx
gogonuts [5d\]: but taking c5 himself now looks decent for w
Limbert: yeah
Limbert: i guess b can tenuki after it
Pinguschaf [?\]: then at least b got some eyeshape
Pinguschaf [?\]: in contrary to starting with c5
ChrisHH [3d\]: after c5 then b4 reactivates the Aji of e5!?
Vandal [?\]: h6
goBum [1k\]: i see :D d10 exchange is for b6
gogonuts [5d\]: to me the left side has gone well for b
goBum [1k\]: b left his seat
calgacus [1d?\]: Pity there is no pro commentary for a game as important as this.
goBum [1k\]: w+escaper
ChrisHH [3d\]: if W plays b4 then b6 was better than c5 - very clever of b!
viu30h [5k\]: there is pro commentary
viu30h [5k\]: but on the egc xD
Shedal [?\]: where?
gogonuts [5d\]: right calgacus, live pro commentary here would be awesome
goBum [1k\]: yeah why not :-(
gogonuts [5d\]: but then it might be for kgs+ only :-)
gdghgjd [3d\]: chrishh, it would be ko, right?
go [-\]: next time maybe a stream with commentary...
Limbert: its hard to see what the next move is
Shedal [?\]: well there would come the time for me to pay for KGS+
Hakuin [9k\]: lol
ChrisHH [3d\]: yes, so W can't play b4 now
gogonuts [5d\]: also, live pro commentary would drastically reduce the advantage of actually beeing at the congress
gogonuts [5d\]: we need a little punishment
calgacus [1d?\]: To be honest German go organisation is stuck in the past, imho.
ChrisHH [3d\]: c5, b4: W looses corner and eyes
gdghgjd [3d\]: *feelsthepain*
Pinguschaf [?\]: i doubt b would play b4 after c5
gogonuts [5d\]: it would be great if a congress would introduce live online commentary
gogonuts [5d\]: then all future congresses would have to follow suit :-)
eve20 [1k\]: 大家好
ChrisHH [3d\]: why not if its good?
Gorim [3k\]: it is expensive most probably
gogonuts [5d\]: there are enough pros there though
gogonuts [5d\]: and they do comment the game
eisenberg [7k\]: m3 for white ?
gogonuts [5d\]: just not onliner
Pinguschaf [?\]: I realize now I could have organized that :P
sarmale [4k?\]: the thing is when you organize an event like that with only free will people, you cant think at everything to organize... If people want to develop great ideas they have no only to tell them but help to realize them
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: the internet connection here is not good enough for such idees EuroGoTV has already 3 years ready
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;W[go]C[calgacus [1d?\]: I am old enough to remember Nakayama Noriyuki's participation in many egc events
Limbert: how proactive of w :P
ChrisHH [3d\]: wow
Pinguschaf [?\]: whats the purpose of g5?
calgacus [1d?\]: Gave lavishly of his time to players of all levels.
Needless [4d?\]: aim at h3
Limbert: not getting shut in i thin
Limbert: k
Sur [3k?\]: I just don't understand how there can be a problem with internet. Is it really that difficult to get internet in a major German city?
ChrisHH [3d\]: W plans to fight back if B plays e5
Sur [3k?\]: EGC organizers failed at this
Pinguschaf [?\]: EGC organizers or German telecommunication industry :)
Mudkip [4d\]: If they didn´t deem it as important, they didn´t fail Sur
ChrisHH [3d\]: re-connecting by capturing:)
sarmale [4k?\]: I think people can complain on egc organizers only when the complainers have done EGC one time
snowman [-\]: nah, using the available stadthalle internet is the only plausible way
calgacus [1d?\]: Well, I used to be an organiser myself.
snowman [-\]: given the prices of deutsche telekom...
Shedal [?\]: EuroGoTV, I thought our donations would go for improving broadcasting quality ;-)
calgacus [1d?\]: Surely one of the first questions to ask when choosing a venue is the quality of the internet.
Hakuin [9k\]: whats wrong with the quality? maybe they are just slow?
Limbert: good enough, as long as i can see the games here
Pinguschaf [?\]: I think one should care more about the people who actually go to the congress
snowman [-\]: the venue is almost perfect, calgacus
Pinguschaf [?\]: comparing to the ppl who couldnt make it
viu30h [5k\]: lol ilya stands up and video is getting normal
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;B[hp]C[viu30h [5k\]: ilya is a electromagnetic parasite !
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;W[fr]C[Pinguschaf [?\]: wow
gogonuts [5d\]: ilya magic
Striker [-\]: ilya takes to much bandwidth
goBum [1k\]: *_*
Pinguschaf [?\]: I think I would capture those stones and let w protect the cuts in sente
Pinguschaf [?\]: b gets in exchange all pts secure on bottom
Sur [3k?\]: Pinguschaf: Why should we care more fot the ppl at congress? If you want to promote go in Europe, you need to cater to a fan, not only to the players there. Look at any popular sport, does organizers of football championship care only about ppl there?
gogonuts [5d\]: actually just g2 is fine for b here, even though it looks submissive
Pinguschaf [?\]: I said "more" not "only"
gogonuts [5d\]: becuase w m3 has gotten harder
yame [2k\]: why E2 is not possible?
Kanin [6d\]: what is the meaning of this move?
vegmandu [3d\]: what about e5?
lior [2d\]: easy
Kanin [6d\]: he just wants D2 in sente?
Pinguschaf [?\]: if b plays e2, w extends
Pinguschaf [?\]: and cuts
viu30h [5k\]: hope your opp makes a mistake?
snowman [-\]: a little trickish feeling
Pinguschaf [?\]: then b has to choose
Shedal [?\]: early yose?
gogonuts [5d\]: if e2 w starts moving with g2 and h3
lior [2d\]: if black e 2
lior [2d\]: w G2
Pinguschaf [?\]: playing j3 or g2
calgacus [1d?\]: At points like this we need a pro comment, we amateurs are quessing
Pinguschaf [?\]: in both cases w gets a lot of sente moves outside
Pinguschaf [?\]: really 3?
gdghgjd [3d\]: yeah white forgot to play the middlegame
Maek [3d\]: is this final game?
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Hakuin [9k\]: w r3
Pinguschaf [?\]: I thought g4 and cut
go [-\]: thats a large bottle
Kanin [6d\]: imo white is way to thin to play like that
Kanin [6d\]: too*
viu30h [5k\]: ever seen any other ilya game kanin?
gogonuts [5d\]: my feeling is that a tough b counter would backfire, but a simple g2 is fine for b
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;B[gr]
;W[er]C[Kanin [6d\]: this is so... cheap!
Pinguschaf [?\]: yeah doesnt look like w gained anything
Pinguschaf [?\]: considering that b got thicker around that area
Pinguschaf [?\]: and sente
BlueLepard [5d\]: next move is very important, I feel Black is better in this fuseki
Limbert: c17
Pinguschaf [?\]: how about going for e5 right now?
gogonuts [5d\]: ws play felt like a psychological trap to me - hoping b would counter violently
ChrisHH [3d\]: black can cut now
calgacus [1d?\]: Ilya likes to try and bully his opponents
sarmale [4k?\]: does it work ?
Pinguschaf [?\]: e5 looks like a cut even I would go for
kimball [3d?\]: the question is is it worth a Move now
sarmale [4k?\]: something like R8 or Q8 possible now ? 
ChrisHH [3d\]: cut and win!
rubicon [2d\]: b4 
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;B[bp]
(;W[bq]C[Pinguschaf [?\]: f2, e2 feel very strange
atworld [4k\]: can w live only in corner?
Pinguschaf [?\]: yes its alive
rubicon [2d\]: c5 d5 c2 kills w locally, i think
Shedal [?\]: ??
Limbert: ah, uhm
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;B[eo]
;W[do]C[rubicon [2d\]: but w can jump out
sarmale [4k?\]: so if alive why still playing there ?
Shedal [?\]: cutcutcut!
goBum [1k\]: nooo b is falling for w's trap
go [-\]: what trap ?
Stylu [-\]: feels like w just strengthening black everywhere without a care for the center...
Jonka [4k\]: isnt there b7 a7 exchange in actual game?
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;B[en]
;W[em]C[goBum [1k\]: only ilya knows
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;B[fm]
;W[dm]C[Pinguschaf [?\]: looks like a safe cut for me
yame [2k\]: y, b7 a7 has been played
Limbert: b succeeds!
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(;W[bm]
;B[am]
;W[bq]C[RuediRf [2k\]: hihi hoho
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;B[eo]
;W[do]C[uriel [?\]: oh ho
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;B[en]
;W[em]
;B[fm]
;W[dm]C[Jonka [4k\]: thx euro :)
goBum [1k\]: k foine
shenzhen [4d\]: this seems pretty good for b to me
shenzhen [4d\]: g5 and f6 look uite silly
Blaubaer [5d\]: imo too b quite ok?
Stylu [-\]: d8
shenzhen [4d\]: i wonder if he can f8
BlueLepard [5d\]: Black should play D8
ivank [3k\]: light-minded, not silly)
HelloQtion [-\]: i would play f8
Shedal [?\]: why D8? F8 looks just fine, W cannot cut
shenzhen [4d\]: f8 seems ok i think
Pinguschaf [?\]: i wonder what happened if b played c2 after b7
shenzhen [4d\]: yeah no cut
go [-\]: d8 is the shape move right ?
shenzhen [4d\]: f8 d8 d9 c9 b11 b9 a8 a9 a6 b5 b10 etc
rubicon [2d\]: i would f8 but then some trouble at a5 
shenzhen [4d\]: but thats just a few points yose
shenzhen [4d\]: i think the thickness of f8 is worth a few points
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HelloQtion [-\]: center seems more important atm
luotijuna: at this level deciding on giving few points of yose away this early could be losing the game
Stylu [-\]: there is still cut with f8
shenzhen [4d\]: well its not like he is giving it away
BlueLepard [5d\]: if D8, white's corner is not clean 
shenzhen [4d\]: he is exchanging it for more thickness
rubicon [2d\]: oh yrd, bluelepard, i didnt think of that
shenzhen [4d\]: hmm thats a bigger reason for d8 if there is still corner aji
go [-\]: can't there be a game between the winne of this game and the first american pro ?
Jonka [4k\]: Ilya looks like "hey, lets blitz and give me the trophy" :-)
ChrisHH [3d\]: d8 threatens b2?
shenzhen [4d\]: w g3 force kinda annoying if going for corner aji though
viu30h [5k\]: go you mean a 2 stone handicap game? lol
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;B[fl]
;W[dl]C[go [-\]: sure
rubicon [2d\]: hmmm
gdghgjd [3d\]: d8 threatens h2
BlueLepard [5d\]: :(
rubicon [2d\]: i think, after some consideration, d8 was better than f8
BlueLepard [5d\]: this is so painful
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;B[dk]
;W[bj]
;B[ck]C[Pinguschaf [?\]: is it?
shenzhen [4d\]: i will trust b, he's stronger than me a lot :)
Pinguschaf [?\]: I think b is fine
Shedal [?\]: what's the difference?
Boogeyman [1d\]: good for b?
Pinguschaf [?\]: looks good in total
cucaiduong [3k?\]: good for B
BlueLepard [5d\]: well, White B10 is a mistake for sure, regarding the corner
ChrisHH [3d\]: bec W eliminated the aji
niark [-\]: why not c9 fot w?
rubicon [2d\]: yes, i think c9 was better for w, no?
ChrisHH [3d\]: at least leave the option
chestr [1d\]: c9 b11 
BlueLepard [5d\]: just tenuki for white
shenzhen [4d\]: g3 now then tenuki to something like o7?
ChrisHH [3d\]: whats the corner status?
viu30h [5k\]: wouldnt g3 give b even more thickness only for one stone
rubicon [2d\]: well i think shenzhen is thinking about using g3 aji to make e3 sente
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;W[ho]C[rubicon [2d\]: so he can tenuki and still live
rubicon [2d\]: right?
vegmandu [3d\]: wow w is moving them
shenzhen [4d\]: for tenuki with certain life yeah
shenzhen [4d\]: not sure about e3
shenzhen [4d\]: this one is amazing to me though...
viu30h [5k\]: of if this is not heavy playstlye i dont know xD
shenzhen [4d\]: those stones seem like so much effort to move to me...
Levino [7k?\]: rescuing these stones should be very expensive for white, shouldnt it?
viu30h [5k\]: but if they live b influence is gone
rubicon [2d\]: i dont get this move either, w wants to take gote in the corner?
Shedal [?\]: now they both left the table
Ruffy [1k\]: go jan
Ruffy [1k\]: go jan
viu30h [5k\]: ilya is 9d in taunting opp
shenzhen [4d\]: maybe w thinks he can answer any move in corner with b5? would it help tolive?
cucaiduong [3k?\]: H5 look heavy
Limbert: i think w unconditionally alive in corner
snowman [-\]: it is heavy indeed
shenzhen [4d\]: h5 looks like the type of move a pro would say not to play
TurtleDove [4k\]: this seems to threaten W g3 ?
ChrisHH [3d\]: yes absolute taboo move
Minjhou [10k\]: why shen?
shenzhen [4d\]: sure, but its blacks turn turtle :)
shenzhen [4d\]: cos its soooo weak and b so many stones around
TurtleDove [4k\]: yes, only threat :D
blizzking [4d?\]: but clever, white can either jump with these stones or add another stone to reduce black's influence AND still threaten f8 which is still attackeable
shenzhen [4d\]: will be a looooong run to freedom and black should profit all the way
shenzhen [4d\]: in theory...
viu30h [5k\]: but if it lives b influence is gone and thats the point
p2501 [?\]: maybe heavy and inconsistent with traditional theory, but is there any better move than h5 to seperate the two black groups?
viu30h [5k\]: ilya doesnt care for theory
Shedal [?\]: J4 nowm then W H8
ChrisHH [3d\]: then B b2
shenzhen [4d\]: right ilya just likes to fight, i am sure he has read something fun :)
elare: j4 h8 played
gtrtrtr: maybe black around J7
kcharris12 [2d\]: capturing seems like pain in but
nyima [?\]: yes, ilia is the chuck norris of go; I heard he even eats some stomes each day for breakfast...
Shedal [?\]: for breakfast?
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;B[ip]C[kcharris12 [2d\]: push right to remove m4 aji and use e10 stones with k10 to develope moyo
]
;W[hl]C[viu30h [5k\]: chuck norris was alway a fair and clean fighter lol
blizzking [4d?\]: this can't be right?
ChrisHH [3d\]: is the corner alive??
shenzhen [4d\]: well... f5 is sente at least...
BlueLepard [5d\]: if outside is fine, then the sequence is straigthforward: B2  A3,  C2 C3, F1... 
shenzhen [4d\]: so h7 can be squeezed
JEGO [7k\]: black can play A3 after?
kcharris12 [2d\]: w has the advantage imo
shenzhen [4d\]: blue lepard, after that b5 works? b5 a5 a4 c5 c6 a8 c4 
JoostvdPol [2d\]: I think artem should be playing this final
shenzhen [4d\]: so maybe thats why w alive?
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;B[hj]C[blizzking [4d?\]: corner is alive
ChrisHH [3d\]: right but maybe b can start with a3?
kcharris12 [2d\]: k6
shenzhen [4d\]: i think the corner is probably alive, but i cant read why :)
shenzhen [4d\]: if anything it will be ko
blizzking [4d?\]: no ko
blizzking [4d?\]: just alive
JEGO [7k\]: corner is alive now but ilia can cut h9
ChrisHH [3d\]: B a3, W ?
shenzhen [4d\]: how to answer a3 blizz?
viu30h [5k\]: h10?     theres no profit to take on the left since white is just fine there   so i dont understand h10
Pinguschaf [?\]: b2
kcharris12 [2d\]: mm g9 looks ok
Pinguschaf [?\]: a3-b2
shenzhen [4d\]: true
shenzhen [4d\]: a3 b2 a2 c2 
shenzhen [4d\]: so seems nice and alive
ChrisHH [3d\]: a3 b2 c2
elare: c1
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Muscadet [?\]: g9 - h7?
ChrisHH [3d\]: nice thx
blizzking [4d?\]: ah you answered your own question ^^
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;W[jk]C[viu30h [5k\]: now leaining attack on the right? or still too far away
blizzking [4d?\]: black is not alive yet
blizzking [4d?\]: has to be careful with f8 group
rubicon [2d\]: k11 
calgacus [1d?\]: Can b play not play h7, j7, j6?
maligo [5d\]: j8 
vegmandu [3d\]: b could J8 but it seems too small
blizzking [4d?\]: this is annoying to read
blizzking [4d?\]: i'll just wait till they play it out lol
Striker [-\]: game over, both left
Striker [-\]: double escape
TurtleDove [4k\]: heh, you should have seen yesterday's game bk :)
lior [2d\]: lol
gdghgjd [3d\]: a3,b2,c2,c1 does not work, but white can get a seki with a2 instead of c1
JEGO [7k\]: yes a3 make white dead
BlueLepard [5d\]: the corner is ko, I still don't see any clean way for White to live after B2 A3, C2 C3, F1. White's move please after F1 :)
maligo [5d\]: e1 
TurtleDove [4k\]: b5 was suggested BL
BlueLepard [5d\]: then Black B5
papa19 [-\]: hi
egc2012: J7?
maligo [5d\]: b1 c1 a2 a1 e3 
egc2012: we just dicuss it
gdghgjd [3d\]: blueleopard, what about w b5 ?
Hench [3k\]: h7 dodge inside
papa19 [-\]: mmm
egc2012: after h7 u can play j8
elare: how would you answer j8 ?
BlueLepard [5d\]: when B5? white just played F1
egc2012: nice fight?
Shedal [?\]: artem92, is W's corner alive?
TurtleDove [4k\]: after B f1
Warfreak2 [4d\]: what if you answer f1 with e1
JEGO [7k\]: its seems white corner alive
artem92 [6d\]: it is, but can become 2 points
BlueLepard [5d\]: then black defends at B5
maligo [5d\]: b2 a3 c2 c3 f1 d2 
papa19 [-\]: ???...
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b2 a3 c2 c3 f1 e1 what
egc2012: b2 c4?
qgo [3k\]: b K 7?
maligo [5d\]: warfreak b plays b5
elare: yay j8 cut
Warfreak2 [4d\]: then w passes
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b5 not necessary, w cannot capture anything there
Moin9 [1k\]: j8 is played
Banaan [1k\]: after c3, b5 makes an eye no?
Venn [5k\]: b j9
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;B[il]C[maligo [5d\]: if w pass b e3 
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;W[ik]
;B[hk]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: oh, there's a squeeze, but nonetheless, i made two eyes in the corner as far as i know
]
;W[jm]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: then capture at g1
Banaan [1k\]: b2 a2 c2 c3
Banaan [1k\]: and then b5 makes eye
maligo [5d\]: h2
vegmandu [3d\]: this seems too good for w.
Warfreak2 [4d\]: then b1
maligo [5d\]: c1
Banaan [1k\]: the right side looks funny
SteveDC [5k\]: b2 a3 c2 b5 ? just throwing a bone here
blizzking [4d?\]: white leading
chombe: after b2 a3 c2 c3 f1 - b5 a5 a4
maligo [5d\]: warfreak then it is ko i guess...
blizzking [4d?\]: f15 now, how about?
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;B[jl]C[Banaan [1k\]: or probably, ilia will just tenuki if b tries to kill, and kills the rest of the board
]
;W[kl]
;B[im]C[Javaness [3d\]: does the ladder work?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no
shenzhen [4d\]: yes
blizzking [4d?\]: what ladder
Javaness [3d\]: which is it?
shenzhen [4d\]: orange wins it
Syu [2k\]: for hu?
Banaan [1k\]: yay, oranje boven
gdghgjd [3d\]: squeeze
blizzking [4d?\]: this is bad for black
shenzhen [4d\]: would be nice if w already had f5
shenzhen [4d\]: i dont think it will be a ko threat if he goes for the squeeze
gdghgjd [3d\]: he does not need f5 for a squeeze, because black will not play the ko I think
Warfreak2 [4d\]: of course b will play the ko
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b ignore any threat and play k6
LeonEuler [5k\]: white should sac h5 stones...
bobstep [6k\]: besides, b many ko threats lower left
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;W[in]
;B[hm]
;W[kn]C[Orandajinn [2k\]: I think it will be a ko threat and then transfrom into a fishtank
Warfreak2 [4d\]: fishtank appears to be a new meme since i returned home
SteveDC [5k\]: i don't see how this is good for w. b is alive and L6 still weak
Blaubaer [5d\]: this wasnt such a good idea imo to capture h8
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b is not alive
elare: very good result for w
Neandertal [4k?\]: fish can't drive tanks, they leak too much
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w can have f5 as a ko threat now, so h8 is no eye in sente
SteveDC [5k\]: ok
calgacus [1d?\]: surely b must cut now or the sequence seems pointless
]
;B[pn]C[kostuek [-\]: cut is a bit pointless too
roman361 [4d\]: so what was the point of playing h5 - to cut two strong black groups and have give him something to attack?
blizzking [4d?\]: must be r
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;W[lp]C[elare: w can attack too
p2501 [?\]: he got aji wtih the sequence, he doesn't have to cash it out immediatly
salu [2k\]: cut more groups
BlueLepard [5d\]: Black's pace becomes messy ...
]
;B[lo]C[Lake [4k\]: dont-try-this-at-home style
]
;W[ko]
;B[kp]C[salu [2k\]: b wasnt sure
]
;W[hr]C[Pinguschaf [?\]: wow what a timing
kobjald [6k\]: does shikshin always do that nervous whipping, like on the curent video stream ?
Blaubaer [5d\]: w wants m3 + knockout?
p2501 [?\]: yes
Lake [4k\]: yea
kostuek [-\]: only if winning
]
;B[gq]
;W[fo]C[Blaubaer [5d\]: sure m3
calgacus [1d?\]: I have a bad feeling about this
salu [2k\]: b can let him
p2501 [?\]: f5 seems to be good timing
semicol [-\]: w=r
Blaubaer [5d\]: id ignore f5
calgacus [1d?\]: this I would tenuki
salu [2k\]: udse your unanswered q5
Pinguschaf [?\]: I dont understand why w plays this now
Lake [4k\]: live inside probably
ErgoProxy [5d\]: wishes to play m3
Pinguschaf [?\]: yes but w should ask before m4 then
Lake [4k\]: with l3
zongzi [3k\]: ilya has quite imaginative style - I like :-)
calgacus [1d?\]: m3, e4, r7 seems ok
Pinguschaf [?\]: doesnt look so ok for w
calgacus [1d?\]: (for b)
chombe: b2 a3 c2 c3 f1 b5 a5 a4 c5 c4 a6 c6 - no ko
Blaubaer [5d\]: dont get f5
ErgoProxy [5d\]: m3 next?
JEGO [7k\]: yes if black E4 white m3 there is a shisho
calgacus [1d?\]: As b I'd go for a cup of tea now.
kostuek [-\]: n5
Lake [4k\]: lol
calgacus [1d?\]: Let my opponent stare at a mistake.
calgacus [1d?\]: Take my time, at any rate. 
p2501 [?\]: why is it a mistake
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;B[lq]C[p2501 [?\]: makes whites center stones a lot stronger
calgacus [1d?\]: Good boy.
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;W[pm]
;B[qo]
;W[on]C[Cuki [4d\]: I think F5 serves as kind of defending against L9 cut
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;B[po]C[Blaubaer [5d\]: but after f5 b is back in the game?
Pinguschaf [?\]: he was never really behind, was he?
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;W[rn]
;B[om]
;W[pl]C[calgacus [1d?\]: B not short on points at any rate
blizzking [4d?\]: f17 is still undecided
Blaubaer [5d\]: i didnt like this h8 cut thing 
zeku [1k\]: p13 ?
blizzking [4d?\]: white can go deep into h17
ptitlou [2d\]: f15 ?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: h17 is not deep
goBum [1k\]: b can defend it now?
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;B[qm]
;W[ro]C[rfc [?\]: where should B play next?
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;B[ol]
;W[ok]C[maligo [5d\]: i think w won now...
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;B[nk]C[ptitlou [2d\]: w is so fast
Pawelp [6k\]: who is playing now?
chestr [1d\]: r8 
Orandajinn [2k\]: William VS Ocelot D.
TurtleDove [4k\]: B s4 seemed sente
p2501 [?\]: another coffee / cigarette break for b
Zachmura [3d\]: Shikshin (w) - Šimara (b)
enkidu: B trying W to force taking E5 ?
shenzhen [4d\]: b still ahead on cash right?
Pawelp [6k\]: thx zachmura
shenzhen [4d\]: maybe close actually
shenzhen [4d\]: top left gonna be important
ErgoProxy [5d\]: If Simara would win this it would be amazing. That guy was 5dan just a while ago
blizzking [4d?\]: well, s4 still open together with h2, bottom is not that much anymore
wallh [4k\]: is it still possible for b to win ?
shenzhen [4d\]: s4 could be b sente though, depending on what goes on here...
Tesuckji [?\]: ,
goBum [1k\]: w center group = ouch
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;W[pk]C[blizzking [4d?\]: yes, it will be decided now
Kryo [6k\]: L9
Hench [3k\]: s4
wolokom [4k\]: warum nicht s4
goBum [1k\]: this is kind of like yesterday's game
shenzhen [4d\]: is w m16 really vulgar or playable?
salu [2k\]: is he gonna e4????
blizzking [4d?\]: s4 o6?
shenzhen [4d\]: s4 has to be tenukied i guess
shenzhen [4d\]: where to not sure
roman361 [4d\]: s4 too small now
kostuek [-\]: 20pt
wolokom [4k\]: uff
blizzking [4d?\]: tenuki would be too much i think, this is a tournament game = solid points are worth more
hackconan [10k\]: cut arL9 may be kill white
Warfreak2 [4d\]: spot the cutting stones in atari
shenzhen [4d\]: who wants cutting stones anyway
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i think w will answer s4
Warfreak2 [4d\]: the points in the corner are too many
SteveDC [5k\]: hackconan w has E4
blizzking [4d?\]: yes
blizzking [4d?\]: and white still has s3 afterwards
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not just three w stones but also the hane at t4 or clamp at s3
wolokom [4k\]: 20 poins are small?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: s3 doesn't really work
Warfreak2 [4d\]: but it's aji
Natsuu [2d\]: s4 is bigger than 20 pts
JEGO [7k\]: so black e4 now?
roman361 [4d\]: w has e4 to play, yes, and eventually he will have to go back and play it, losing sente
Natsuu [2d\]: if tenuki
maligo [5d\]: r3 would be big later
calgacus [1d?\]: I think b should have played o7 instead of p8. B has poor shape here.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
kostuek [-\]: tenuki would be also worth something
salu [2k\]: play o6 and see magic happen
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;B[kk]C[Backflash [6k\]: THE HELL IS W DOING =\\
Backflash [6k\]: oh, sorry
Minjhou [10k\]: how is that S4 is bigger than 20  pts?
Muttley [2k\]: caps, calm down, language ...
salu [2k\]: sente
Warfreak2 [4d\]: compare b s4 with w r3
blizzking [4d?\]: i really don't understand black here
TurtleDove [4k\]: hmm, B wants a top centre moyo ?
Minjhou [10k\]: s4 and r3 might be, but not s4 alone...
blizzking [4d?\]: guess he feels strongly about this  being fully sente
elare: w r3 doesn't work..
ErgoProxy [5d\]: Ilya probably underestimated Simara
Warfreak2 [4d\]: r3 does work
elare: mm
maligo [5d\]: makes ko in the corner
maligo [5d\]: r3
Warfreak2 [4d\]: ko?
gergs: r3 s4 s3 r4 t4 ?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: yes
maligo [5d\]: well ok
maligo [5d\]: r3 s4 r4 s3 q3 p3 s2 r2 q2 s1 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: of course can't r4
Pinguschaf [?\]: interesting that b did not play s4
elfking [3k\]: r3 s4 r4 is silly :P 
oskarv [1d\]: r3 s4 r4 s3 q3 p3 s2
maligo [5d\]: r3 s4 s3 r4 t4 makes q3 sente
Uberdude [4d?\]: so i just got up, how's this game going?
elfking [3k\]: Uber!!!
Warfreak2 [4d\]: rivetingly
kostuek [-\]: hard and fast
shenzhen [4d\]: just started uberdude, they played slowly for you
ErgoProxy [5d\]: o8 
elfking [3k\]: it's amazing... completely hinged on dead stones
Warfreak2 [4d\]:  Minjhou [10k\]: s4 and r3 might be, but not s4 alone...
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;W[gm]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: this is a fundamental misunderstanding of how to assess the value of a move
elfking [3k\]: e.g. e6 and h7
]
;B[gl]
;W[hn]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: you compare what happens if b plays vs what happens if w plays and take the difference; then you can adjust for how many gotes it is
]
;B[gn]
;W[lk]
;B[kj]
;W[gm]C[shenzhen [4d\]: wf2 speaks the truth i'm after minzhou
wolokom [4k\]: e 4  is waiting
]
;B[hl]C[shenzhen [4d\]: afraid*
Minjhou [10k\]: ty warfreak
shenzhen [4d\]: thats a weird typo, my head is strange
Blaubaer [5d\]: good explanation wf2
Warfreak2 [4d\]: for example, r3 almost certainly w gote
elfking [3k\]: shenzhen: you're just sweet on minzhou
Warfreak2 [4d\]: and if we're calling s4 black's gote, then he has a followup to capture three stones, but if it's gote for both then it's worth half
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;W[ep]C[ptitlou [2d\]: i guess o6 is ilya's kind ?
Backflash [6k\]: no way r3 is gote, p2 would be too big?
calgacus [1d?\]: Painful for w
Warfreak2 [4d\]: r3 sequence is gote, not the move itself
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;B[rp]C[Backflash [6k\]: ah right
wolokom [4k\]: aha
elfking [3k\]: yay
Blaubaer [5d\]: not small
elfking [3k\]: happiness
hackconan [10k\]: as I think
elfking [3k\]: sente
elfking [3k\]: ish 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: r3 s4 s3 r4 t4 t5 t6 s7 t5 q3 q2 p2 r1 ends in gote for w
Warfreak2 [4d\]: eg
Blaubaer [5d\]: no sente
elfking [3k\]: ish ish :P 
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;W[id]C[Blaubaer [5d\]: senish is same as gote
elfking [3k\]: senteish (later on s7 is big endgame)
Blaubaer [5d\]: +t
blizzking [4d?\]: this tenuki is correct
elfking [3k\]: :P
Warfreak2 [4d\]: this way it's gote for both, but b's followup captures three
calgacus [1d?\]: white m backfired
calgacus [1d?\]: m4
wolokom [4k\]: certanly j 17 ?
shenzhen [4d\]: capturing the e5 stones feels like a failure...
Warfreak2 [4d\]: so we can count the points in the corner that b gained, compared to w living in the corner and having points there; the difference there is already about 20
ErgoProxy [5d\]: S7 is worth about 20 points
Shedal [?\]: This is a cool game! Simara is stronger than I thought
calgacus [1d?\]: Dfinitely a good point for a cup of tea here
Warfreak2 [4d\]: add half of the s6 stones since this is gote for each
Blaubaer [5d\]: r3 or s4 is way more  than 20 p imo
roman361 [4d\]: shenzen - it was
wallh [4k\]: who has the lead ?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: jeffchang is watching, perhaps he can give us his estimate of the size of s4
whatisgo [2d\]: b
blizzking [4d?\]: wallh, look at score estimator, it's usually very accurate
shenzhen [4d\]: when you think that the push after a slide in to 4-4 is 18 pts this must be close to 30 points
deprezina1 [5k\]: who dominate this game ? ( i cant see)
salu [2k\]: lol
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;B[jc]C[wallh [4k\]: I like the kibbitz estimator =)
Boogeyman [1d\]: b have BIG chance to win world championship!
shenzhen [4d\]: "world"
Uberdude [4d?\]: hmm soft answer
deprezina1 [5k\]: yes
sarmale [4k?\]: go simara go !
Uberdude [4d?\]: w can just d18?
Minjhou [10k\]: does it happens to be plays bigger for one player than the other? or it is totally wrong? I mean, can happen than a stone is bigger for one of both ?
shenzhen [4d\]: world except all the strong players
wolokom [4k\]: ups why not j 17??
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;W[ic]C[whatisgo [2d\]: no way , roln rules!! 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: minjhou, how can a move be worth more for one player than another
Draqon [2d\]: emotional value
Warfreak2 [4d\]: lol
Shedal [?\]: Warfreak2, that's what he asked :)
wolokom [4k\]: because of c17 
shenzhen [4d\]: is this cup of water more full for me or you, oh wait its the same
calgacus [1d?\]: Overplaying cos behind?
shenzhen [4d\]: but i amreaaalllly thirsty
Minjhou [10k\]: taking into account both players gain-loose, it can not happen
Warfreak2 [4d\]: and i am asking how it could be imaginable that the answer isn't no
eslite [3k\]: the same move can make two eyes or destroy eyeshape ... so yes
wolokom [4k\]: ?????
Warfreak2 [4d\]: anything i gain is your loss and vice versa
Warfreak2 [4d\]: go is a zero sum game
Tesuckji [?\]: bim
blizzking [4d?\]: d17?
Minjhou [10k\]: rigth, ok wf
Warfreak2 [4d\]: when we say a move like s4 has a value of over 20 points, we mean that the value of taking the next move in this position is over 20 points
p2501 [?\]: s4 is so huuge
Warfreak2 [4d\]: s4 is black's move, r3 is white's move, each are the next local move in this position
Warfreak2 [4d\]: in the event that it's gote for each player, like this one, we can imagine that the position on the board is exactly halfway between the two results for b first and w first
roman361 [4d\]: f15?
TheGodHand [4d\]: you are wrong :O
Warfreak2 [4d\]: then b's play takes the other half and denies w his other half
egc2012b: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Avari [1k\]: why didn't b just j17 and connect, if he is ahead?
Limbert: you fail to consider quantum probabilities
JEGO [7k\]: d18.?
salu [2k\]: s4 is locally sente actually
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;B[ie]C[shenzhen [4d\]: can b c17 now?
shenzhen [4d\]: oh guess not :)
wallh [4k\]: what the hell does locally sente mean ?
p2501 [?\]: locally sente is like not sente at all
wallh [4k\]: exactly
Warfreak2 [4d\]: locally sente means the followup threatened is larger than the move itself
calgacus [1d?\]: b building nice centre potential
viu30h [5k\]: by the book nice shape xD
Warfreak2 [4d\]: in this case, no, s4 is not locally sente
Enceladus [3d?\]: j15 is so satisfing
Warfreak2 [4d\]: this move at s7 is smaller than the move at s4
Banaan [1k\]: lol yeah
Banaan [1k\]: hmmmm hane
Warfreak2 [4d\]: hane at the head of two
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i heard it's a proverb
holynec [-\]: I am hoylnec.
salu [2k\]: it is
Banaan [1k\]: i am banaan
blunderdog: hi hoylnec
JEGO [7k\]: not classical move 
wolokom [4k\]: e 17 ???
holynec [-\]: Illia is going to go undefeated this EGC, isnt he
Banaan [1k\]: he lost once right?
Pinguschaf [?\]: i think he is behind right now
p2501 [?\]: he lost in the prelims once
Yaoundee [3k\]: but on top are korean players
juggler [3d\]: is this girl a pro?
SlowAngel [6k\]: ooh that's my friend yoshimo
Yeah [7k\]: nice shorts :)
Yeah [7k\]: Me gusta
calgacus [1d?\]: Nice little shape lesson now at the top for the high kyus
shenzhen [4d\]: k18, go!!
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;W[jb]C[shenzhen [4d\]: yatta
wolokom [4k\]: ah
calgacus [1d?\]: Pay attention at the back!
]
;B[kb]C[Tesuckji [?\]: ..\\
Yaoundee [3k\]: so what title does the first place of the egc main tournament achieve if he can't become european champion (because of korean natioinality)?
gergs: $$$'s
Banaan [1k\]: money and fame
Banaan [1k\]: and women
Insidius [1d?\]: p14 will become big soon
kostuek [-\]: k17 was really... k17
p2501 [?\]: yaoundee: not a tile, simply the winner of the egc open tournament
Yaoundee [3k\]: women? I doubt it :D
salu [2k\]: its go not rocknroll
Avari [1k\]: to play like this, b must have decided to live in c17
shenzhen [4d\]: self worth
SteveDC [5k\]: c17 still possible? or just ko?
hogwash: russia against ukraine match?
salu [2k\]: possible 
Etherion [2k\]: ouch
Etherion [2k\]: russa vs ukraine?? simara is czech!
TheGodHand [4d\]: du
TheGodHand [4d\]: 5dans, stop watching game and play mit mir! :D
Warfreak2 [4d\]: stop whining about not having an opponent
Warfreak2 [4d\]: definitely stop telling people what to do
hogwash: seems b way ahead??
hogwash: warfreak follow your own advice please
TheGodHand [4d\]: It is the first time I said anything D:
shenzhen [4d\]: wf2 is easily riled...
shenzhen [4d\]: dont wake the dragon
salu [2k\]: nah, he is just a warfreak
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i am impossible to rile
shenzhen [4d\]: *pokes wf2 in the kidney*
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if at any point you imagine that my face is anything other than this, you got it wrong: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/78/Trollface.svg/200px-Trollface.svg.png
TheGodHand [4d\]: *joines the poking in kidney*
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;W[gd]C[wallh [4k\]: you mean you're giving him a bear ?
wallh [4k\]: beer*
Warfreak2 [4d\]: beer is alright
bobstep [6k\]: does that make him pokey?
shenzhen [4d\]: g16 seems somewhat fake...
shenzhen [4d\]: doesnt 3-3 have a lot of aji...
Warfreak2 [4d\]: 3-3 works directly, but it did before too
shenzhen [4d\]: yeah but g15 acts like it is trying t  defend the point...
TheGodHand [4d\]: f16 first
kobjald [6k\]: is the stream frozen on anybody other's browser as well?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no, g15 acts like it is connecting the j16 stones
shenzhen [4d\]: doing that and not protecting 3-3 feels wrong
salu [2k\]: yeah
gogonuts [5d\]: 3-3 looks nice to me now
Tesuckji [?\]: bb
TheGodHand [4d\]: escaped :O
ikizukuri [1k\]: yes kobjald
bobstep [6k\]: was taking too much abuse
Pinguschaf [?\]: looks like a tough game for w, if b just plays 3-3 now
gogonuts [5d\]: agree
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: back
TheGodHand [4d\]: I don't think he will 3-3 yet
TheGodHand [4d\]: look at his eyes @.@
gogonuts [5d\]: but should :-)
gergs: disregarding the top left quarrel, is p14 or s7 bigger for black?
gogonuts [5d\]: i prefer s7
shikasta [1d\]: s7 looks huge
Maek [3d\]: why no5  p14?
gogonuts [5d\]: because w s7 creates corner worries
Enceladus [3d?\]: s7 is ooooooyose
Zachmura [3d\]: but isn't C17 much bigger than S7?
gogonuts [5d\]: c17 was not in the picking
gogonuts [5d\]: it was between p14 and s7
gergs: the question was to ignore the urgent moves at top left
Zachmura [3d\]: ah, ok
shikasta [1d\]: if b plys on the right, q13?
gogonuts [5d\]: s7 is on the right too :-)
gergs: thanks gogonuts. how about bG1 or bP14? 
shikasta [1d\]: ;p
gogonuts [5d\]: prob p14
snowman [-\]: the corner is there to take
gogonuts [5d\]: especially if w gets to protect k18 first
Uberdude [4d?\]: p14 for black?
gogonuts [5d\]: right now b should really just c17 imo
SteveDC [5k\]: so s7 better now because c17 is gote and s7 reverse sente?
Uberdude [4d?\]: that looks weak
Uberdude [4d?\]: s7 is not reverse sente
shikasta [1d\]: can b j18 before c17?
gogonuts [5d\]: doesnt want to give the initiative to w, but thats the way it is
gogonuts [5d\]: no
TheGodHand [4d\]: is that..
HarryLime [1k\]: is b j18 sente and if so, how much does this hurt f17?
TheGodHand [4d\]: a ciggarett? :O
SteveDC [5k\]: it is since w s7 is sente according to gogonuts
TheGodHand [4d\]: in right ear? O,o
Uberdude [4d?\]: j18 and then c17 maybe
gogonuts [5d\]: if j18 h18 k19 g17 the corner is almost safe
Tesuckji [?\]: .
Uberdude [4d?\]: but have to see how much w g17 makes living in corner harder
snowman [-\]: it is possible to count the final score now :)
sarmale [4k?\]: what about time ?
kryft [1d?\]: snowman, So what's your count?
shikasta [1d\]: sure can still live the corner after g17
TheGodHand [4d\]: seems even game
shikasta [1d\]: surely
gogonuts [5d\]: after w h18 and g17 i dont think b gets even ko anymore in the corner
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B: 45 min W: 1:43 hours
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;B[dc]C[snowman [-\]: i don't have time
gogonuts [5d\]: greed
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;W[cc]C[sarmale [4k?\]: thanks :)
]
;B[cd]C[Banaan [1k\]: Ilia is watching outside
Banaan [1k\]: not interested in the game :P?
sarmale [4k?\]: and we are watching the game ;)
gogonuts [5d\]: trying to outfight ilya isnt such a promising plan
gogonuts [5d\]: 3-3 was fine for b
snowman [-\]: i agree
Banaan [1k\]: never worked for me
Banaan [1k\]: but then, i never fought ilya
decorn [4k\]: the stream is 8 min old
tiran [3k\]: black seems to be in a better shape to me...
snowman [-\]: eurogotv1 is broadcasting the video via the moon tv center
shikasta [1d\]: maybe this gets b sente?
gogonuts [5d\]: You cannot step twice into the same stream - Heraclitus
mw0x2a [2k?\]: the egc is on the moon?
Banaan [1k\]: yes
snowman [-\]: bonn, mond, what's the difference
mw0x2a [2k?\]: awesome
calgacus [1d?\]: Probably better internet on the moon than in Bonn.
Etherion [2k\]: how much time for the two of them left?
gogonuts [5d\]: bonmot
kostuek [-\]: smells fishy 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B: 30 min W: 1:39
Etherion [2k\]: thanks
kostuek [-\]: e17?
gogonuts [5d\]: ilya might take another 20 mins here
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: *B: 40 min
gogonuts [5d\]: really crunch the position
TheGodHand [4d\]: i knew he wasnt going to 3-3
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;W[hb]C[Banaan [1k\]: we all did
WinPooh [3k\]: who is winning atm?
TheGodHand [4d\]: scroll up :O
Shedal [?\]: So W can spend 1 hour thinking on a single move, and still be ahead on time!
gogonuts [5d\]: because he doesnt have the hand of god?
gogonuts [5d\]: wow
gogonuts [5d\]: now thats unexpected
TheGodHand [4d\]: i saw it coming @,@
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
Banaan [1k\]: actually
snowman [-\]: you mess with ilya, he messes with you
Banaan [1k\]: i see the next 7 moves coming too
drivenrain [-\]: i see dead stones
tiran [3k\]: lol
Banaan [1k\]: ilya is behind on eurogotv
Banaan [1k\]: he didnt do h18 yet on stream
calgacus [1d?\]: Tantalising position, so many options for b
TurtleDove [4k\]: is living one of them ?
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;B[de]C[drivenrain [-\]: is that where stones you want to capturing keep moving away from you ?
]
;W[ed]C[gogonuts [5d\]: d15 e16 f16 e15 f15 e14 k15?
]
;B[fd]C[calgacus [1d?\]: living no problem, but maybe wants the outside
shenzhen [4d\]: heh, this is the last one i would think of
drivenrain [-\]: driving tesuji
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2
Warfreak2 [4d\]: how's my driving? dial 555-TESUJI
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
drivenrain [-\]: =)
calgacus [1d?\]: Another tesuki lesson for the kyus - the driving tesuji
calgacus [1d?\]: tesuji*
DapperDan [2k\]: black is pretty clever
gogonuts [5d\]: kyu usually prefer walking
DapperDan [2k\]: this is the first time i've seen ilia have some bad position
uriel [?\]: a good walk, stretch my legs
sarmale [4k?\]: sure black is clever
gogonuts [5d\]: this is actually quite natural - with this option available, im surprised ilya played h18 so quickly
calgacus [1d?\]: What a coup if Simara can win this
Pinguschaf [?\]: but b is also risking a lot
sagesse [-\]: how come live broadcast doesnt show this position?
viu30h [5k\]: that would be very nice
Warfreak2 [4d\]: maybe b thought 3-3 and then no need to defend e17 cut
Pinguschaf [?\]: w tenukied and still got corner
Pinguschaf [?\]: so that stuff really needs to work out for b
Uberdude [4d?\]: i hope ilya plays f15
DapperDan [2k\]: what are they thinking about all this time there are only a finite number of options
oeillet: what's the problem with r15, leaving black with all those cutting points ?
calgacus [1d?\]: I like this way of playing, surely b will make considerable points in the centre
gogonuts [5d\]: with e15 f15 e14 its not the full corner yet
Tesuckji [?\]: bibiman
gogonuts [5d\]: w not crazy about e15 f15 e14 k15 
gogonuts [5d\]: but also not crazy about b e15
bobstep [6k\]: f15 then e17 is sente
calgacus [1d?\]: yes gogo
bjornwe [?\]: such a video lag. maybe a lower framerate would improve it
gogonuts [5d\]: btw, i think the should make lunch breaks obligatory
]
;W[ee]
;B[fe]
;W[ec]C[gogonuts [5d\]: these wars of attrition, who can go the longest without food, are silly
viu30h [5k\]: they can lunch break if they want
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w feeds on the hearts of innocents
]
;B[ef]C[uriel [?\]: i think we should have wars of nutrition instead
uriel [?\]: much healtheir
uriel [?\]: *healthier
oeillet: hunger games ?
gogonuts [5d\]: i know but the one who suggest it is a squawking chicken
gogonuts [5d\]: better to make it a rule
uriel [?\]: chickens give great advice sometimes
kostuek [-\]: looks like atari
tfrech [2d\]: Pei still playing?
Daihokama [3k\]: e18 is only move...
shikasta [1d\]: cant see anything good for w coming from this
Daihokama [3k\]: why Ilia thinking?
Uberdude [4d?\]: not e18
gogonuts [5d\]: not so, e18 makes b f18 sente
oeillet: d18 too
Uberdude [4d?\]: e18 is bad as then f18 is sente
tneva82 [17k\]: why not d18?
TurtleDove [4k\]: helps decide what to play
gogonuts [5d\]: b is getting a good result here, imo
lior [2d\]: d18
Uberdude [4d?\]: with d18 w has a connection remaining at f18
lior [2d\]: ye
gogonuts [5d\]: d18, then e18 is atari :-)
Daihokama [3k\]: d18 e18 d17 
lior [2d\]: so what
Daihokama [3k\]: e18 f18 d14 
oeillet: w wonders : do i give sente play at d18 or f18 ?
Turnipsi [1d\]: e18 black doesn't separate w groups
viu30h [5k\]: theres a double atari white has to play it right? isnt that a rule? xD
oeillet: e16 or f18
gogonuts [5d\]: yes, so he will prob take
Uberdude [4d?\]: yes gogonuts, but that doesnt cut
shikasta [1d\]: not if ur in atari urself
gogonuts [5d\]: but the connection at d17 is painful still
bobstep [6k\]: both transcribers having connection probs
vxc: must be d18
conrad35 [3k\]: Ilia is up and looks out the window
Uberdude [4d?\]: seems that maybe we have d18 e18 d17 k19 as then if w f18 b has ko cut on 1st line
]
;W[db]
;B[eb]
;W[dc]
;B[he]
;W[fb]
;B[gb]
;W[ea]
;B[gc]
;W[ga]C[gdghgjd [3d\]: ^^
Uberdude [4d?\]: butthis sucks
Uberdude [4d?\]: w got all the points
]
;B[rm]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: b got heavy group with no cuts
Uberdude [4d?\]: with cuts
btu13: y, this is bad for b
Blaubaer [5d\]: hm w really ahead?
gogonuts [5d\]: but s7 is big - it didnt look like b would get it
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: wifi really bad
legeh [2k\]: black lost
p2501 [?\]: wifi is bad by definition
p2501 [?\]: always hardline
wallh [4k\]: humm no ?
Blaubaer [5d\]: f14?
btu13: h15 is also strange imho. k15 looks better
]
;W[lj]
;B[ll]
(;W[km])
(;W[ml]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: :)
Banaan [1k\]: nooo
]
;B[km]C[Banaan [1k\]: there goes the tree :p
]
;W[lm]C[Blaubaer [5d\]: w hasnt got that many points?
oeillet: upper left is big
]
;B[jn]
;W[kl]
;B[df]
;W[ff]C[oeillet: wow
]
;B[fg]C[Blaubaer [5d\]: wow
oeillet: will get bigger ;)
lior [2d\]: omg
wallh [4k\]: awww
Turnipsi [1d\]: sacrificing...
]
;W[ce]C[viu30h [5k\]: sacrificing technique to seal center?
TheThe [8k\]: w g14 ?
Blaubaer [5d\]: b is ok imo
Uberdude [4d?\]: i like how ilya always looks at his opponent as if to say "now what, punk?"
gogonuts [5d\]: agree
oeillet: what was the point of f14 ?
Uberdude [4d?\]: ask b if he wants to save the 3 stones
Uberdude [4d?\]: like this w has g14
Blaubaer [5d\]: uber unless u play against him
]
;B[gf]C[gru [2k\]: l11
btu13: now it was a gote-kothreat... :/
Daihokama [3k\]: l11 
Turnipsi [1d\]: l11?
gdghgjd [3d\]: go l11 :-)
]
;W[ki]
;B[ll]C[papadog [6k?\]: what s the 1st price of European go championship?
gru [2k\]: yeah
]
;W[kc]C[Orandajinn [2k\]: a fishtank
TurtleDove [4k\]: glory
andreiraz [3k\]: =))))
calgacus [1d?\]: simara will tenuki this I bet
Insidius [1d?\]: seems bloody for black :D
Eilinen [-\]: eurobonds?
bobstep [6k\]: fame and glory kid
kostuek [-\]: free mcdonadlds for a year
Turnipsi [1d\]: cannot tenuki
ntml4224 [1k\]: i will not tenuki here
vxc: d17 was the losing move. Cant believe he didnt c17
ohlord [2d\]: 1000€ in the bank of greece :-)
calgacus [1d?\]: m11 looks big to mr
calgacus [1d?\]: me*
]
;B[kl]
;W[lc]C[blizzking [4d?\]: i don't get this
calgacus [1d?\]: Told you so.
gogonuts [5d\]: ouch
calgacus [1d?\]: Simara like the centre
Turnipsi [1d\]: desperation
ntml4224 [1k\]: look so paintful for B
gogonuts [5d\]: m17 is a monster
Blaubaer [5d\]: y but how to make points in the center?
btu13: too big. over im afraid.
blizzking [4d?\]: this is horriblr
Insidius [1d?\]: and simara looks like he just wants to finish this afap
gdghgjd [3d\]: hard to win now for black
LeonEuler [5k\]: people always make false predictions when llia plays
Blaubaer [5d\]: difficult to cut of ^m10?
ntml4224 [1k\]: cant cut @@
btu13: m10? impossible..
]
;B[ja]
;W[ib]C[viu30h [5k\]:  another ko?
gru [2k\]: n17
gru [2k\]: o, no
Yeah [7k\]: opai opai
Uberdude [4d?\]: i tihnk k17 was the start of all black'#s problems here
Uberdude [4d?\]: k6 looking pretty silly
]
;B[li]C[Blaubaer [5d\]: hm center too small imo
vxc: he cant even get the center, because q16 is in trouble
profan [-\]: impossible is easy, miracles are the problem ^^
btu13: yes, but what else?
ntml4224 [1k\]: L15 now ??
Uberdude [4d?\]: err k15
]
;W[mi]C[kostuek [-\]: i was sure he is going to reduce right side
]
;B[lh]
;W[mh]C[kostuek [-\]: but he wonna center points
boobgoober [3k\]: can i get link to live stream
Uberdude [4d?\]: w can drive tesuji there and attack q16
Insidius [1d?\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
boobgoober [3k\]: thx
profan [-\]: n10 n7 o8 ?
btu13: b has to be careful, his former topright-territory might become weak..
calgacus [1d?\]: I would have tried q14, q13, p13 first as black
Blaubaer [5d\]: hm in the end w gets more pints around q12 than b in center :-.(
RU: Go Jan!
gru [2k\]: just make q12 teritory bigger
]
;B[lg]
;W[mg]C[Insidius [1d?\]: don't think b can come back in this game :s already way behind
vxc: time to resing jan..
]
;B[lf]C[shenzhen [3d\]: i feel like ilya is really strong at mental side of the game
viu30h [5k\]: oh yeah
shenzhen [3d\]: sometimes he seems to play fast just to make sure he gets what he wants :)
Blaubaer [5d\]: o7?
gru [2k\]: does b want n9?
Chachi [1d\]: SE says B+20
]
;W[nm]C[gru [2k\]: no more
shenzhen [3d\]: se really understands the status of m17 well :)
]
;B[rk]C[vxc: honestly, SE jokes are almost as funny as A1 -hehe jokes...
Insidius [1d?\]: around p14 for black? reduce?
kgkrnrgwk: SE overestimates moyos
Chachi [1d\]: well, it was before o7 was played
]
;W[rj]
;B[qe]C[calgacus [1d?\]: DEfintely time fo a cup of tea and chck the score
Insidius [1d?\]: is anybody having difficulties with the stream or is it just me :S
calgacus [1d?\]: and my spelling
Banaan [1k\]: w wants to kill the upper right :p
gilmi [4k?\]: not just you
Insidius [1d?\]: ok :P
]
;W[re]C[viu30h [5k\]: b can play n18 ko later?
]
;B[pf]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: that is a belgian ko
viu30h [5k\]: ?
]
;W[pg]C[Banaan [1k\]: lol
Banaan [1k\]: i like that term
kyokunomi [2k\]: lol
]
;B[qg]C[RU: why Belgian?
Blaubaer [5d\]: belgian ko hehe 
]
;W[rf]C[ntml4224 [1k\]: N18 cant become KO
Banaan [1k\]: because its not a ko
]
;B[og]C[Banaan [1k\]: well, w can play it as ko
Banaan [1k\]: if he reaally wants to
]
;W[ph]C[RU: But Belgium is a country, isn't it?
snowman [-\]: makes you think, doesn't it, blaubauer
Banaan [1k\]: yes it is
Blaubaer [5d\]: i know what a belgian ko is
hogwash: warfreak is the funniest person on the internet
Banaan [1k\]: correct
tfrech [2d\]: hm, i think balck still ahead
]
;B[kd]C[Chachi [1d\]: SE b+23
tfrech [2d\]: lol
Insidius [1d?\]: good reduction
RU: why do you call it a Belgian ko?
calgacus [1d?\]: i think it will be close
boobgoober [3k\]: is live stream way behind and super laggy for anyone else?
viu30h [5k\]: yup
Insidius [1d?\]: yeah
calgacus [1d?\]: the o yose will be critical
Banaan [1k\]: the livestream isnt behind, kgs is ahead
Blaubaer [5d\]: maybe this kind of ko first appeared in begium - dont know
Warfreak2 [4d\]: in france it's called a ko belge
Javaness [3d\]: it's just a little joke
Warfreak2 [4d\]: france jokes about belgium the same way usa jokes about canada, and the rest of the world jokes about usa
egc2012b: the french call it belgian because they like Belgium so much ...
btu13: The belgian ko is from the former practical jokes between the dutch and the belgians. The dutch were always presumed greedy, and the belgians stupid. Originally a dutch prank.
Warfreak2 [4d\]: there is also the belgian ko threat and the italian bamboo joint
Javaness [3d\]: two USA walked into a bar
Uberdude [4d?\]: ummm
Banaan [1k\]: however, the prank isnt true
boobgoober [3k\]: g1
Uberdude [4d?\]: is b miles ahead?
Banaan [1k\]: because dutch arent greedy
Uberdude [4d?\]: this is huge upset if simara wins
oeillet: what's  an Italian bamboo joint ?
RU: A boot-shaped joint?
viu30h [5k\]: why is that uberdude?
Banaan [1k\]: the brother of a spanish table shape
sarmale [4k?\]: I bet on simara ;)
calgacus [1d?\]: g1 super large yose
klausP [3d?\]: who leads?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: for anyone who's unsure, this is a belgian ko: http://senseis.xmp.net/diagrams/15/00616e12df5939e27448ee9b3bd6d3fd.png
Javaness [3d\]: ::  <- italian bamboo joint, eg. dango
Insidius [1d?\]: b i think
Warfreak2 [4d\]: italian bamboo joint is like a bamboo joint but they're one space further apart
gilmi [4k?\]: thanks warfreak
Javaness [3d\]: oh :)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: at least a dango is connected
Uberdude [4d?\]: i am good at dangos
Warfreak2 [4d\]: a belgian ko threat is one which can be answered by winning the ko
Uberdude [4d?\]: did you see we made the BGJ? ;-)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i didn't see
Javaness [3d\]: i read that
Javaness [3d\]: M16 seems obvious, will white play another move?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: n16 seems obvious
btu13: to me, m18 seems obvious..
kostuek [-\]: g1 seems obvious
Turnipsi [1d\]: p18 :-)
TheThe [8k\]: p14 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: don't p18
btu13: a lot of obvious moves here :)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: every move is obvious
TheThe [8k\]: obviously ;-)
tadanobu [6k\]: obvious moves dont make champions
Striker [-\]: none of them will be played
Blaubaer [5d\]: n17 4 me
TheThe [8k\]: a1
Javaness [3d\]: wow
p2501 [?\]: ?
Turnipsi [1d\]: black used veto
TheThe [8k\]: undo?
shashwat [7k\]: veto?
kostuek [-\]: back in time
eve20 [1k\]: RU 2 bad ur not the player yr count dont matter
Idoc [2d\]: a reverse-time tesuji
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w asks for undo
snowman [-\]: now we are going back to the pre-internet time
shashwat [7k\]: does that work in actual matches?
mooooo [5k\]: so this is how weak i am
]
;W[mc]C[Blaubaer [5d\]: haa
btu13: strong ;)
Striker [-\]: lucker :D
Javaness [3d\]: white has too many nice yose moves to lose
calgacus [1d?\]: g1 is like 10 points revers sente for b
lupis [3d\]: I also read it. It's convenient how since they stopped sending paper versions to foreign federations I now get it into my email :)
calgacus [1d?\]: if nothing drops off at the top
Uberdude [4d?\]: lupis, did you get the picture too?
boobgoober [3k\]: can w kill if b plays elsewhere
RU: Ok, I finished the game on a clone board, and I already know the result - it's B+0.5. Congratulations, Jan!
Turnipsi [1d\]: can't afford answering that, needs points... either get a close endgame or lose with a blast
emre35 [4d\]: a3
kostuek [-\]: w n15 seems dangerious
Nilatarion [3d\]: o14
Uberdude [4d?\]: if answer o14 or p18, answer in a yose way
anant1111 [10k\]: noooo
tiran [3k\]: who won??
anant1111 [10k\]: awesomeness
Uberdude [4d?\]: ah they move
Uberdude [4d?\]: o14 p12 f1
chombe1: a3 is good
p2501 [?\]: maybe just misclick and then disconnect
goBum [1k\]: b looks ahead
p2501 [?\]: there it is back
snowman [-\]: ah, just a slight disturbance in space-time continuum
MaxMakinen [1k\]: Any info on the Antti Törmänen vs Ondrej Silt game?
shashwat [7k\]: the b move in the game tree's at O15
nkwit: w+10
SanekFree [-\]: What happend?
]
(;B[ne])
(;B[nf]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: oops
]
;W[oh]C[shashwat [7k\]: misclick, i guess
gru [2k\]: b f1
]
;B[fs]
;W[es]
;B[gs]
;W[ln]C[RU: wow, B got F1
]
;B[mo]C[RU: B must be winning now
]
;W[sk]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: its within 3 points i tihnk
wallh [4k\]: for whom ?
shenzhen [4d\]: looks like w wins to me
DrH0use [2d\]: S8
shikasta [1d\]: my count has them pretty even still
]
;B[sl]
;W[ql]
;B[rl]
;W[sj]C[Turnipsi [1d\]: f12 resembling sente
]
;B[so]C[DrH0use [2d\]: A4
paulcodiny [3k\]: a3 ,
Chachi [1d\]: black wins?
blizzking [4d?\]: g4
Fukurokuji [1k\]: p18 
goBum [1k\]: >_<
josekin [5k?\]: f12
Daihokama [3k\]: p18 gote
paulcodiny [3k\]: g4 gote for b
gru [2k\]: f12
]
;W[fh]C[btu13: p18 costs a lot of points.. you mean q18?
shenzhen [4d\]: w win comfy actually over 5 points
]
;B[fi]
;W[eh]
;B[gh]
;W[ng]
;B[of]C[paulcodiny [3k\]: is h16 good for w?
paulcodiny [3k\]: or gote?
]
(;W[aq]C[blizzking [4d?\]: gota of course
blizzking [4d?\]: e
shashwat [7k\]: w n15
])
(;W[oo]
;B[op]C[bloodarena [8d\]: .. a3 is way bigger..
]
;W[aq]
;B[nn]
;W[nl]
;B[jo]
;W[mm]C[peugeot [4d\]: did w res?
p2501 [?\]: why would w res
shenzhen [4d\]: why resign when you win? :)
]
;B[eq]
;W[dr]C[peugeot [4d\]: so he didnt
Chachi [1d\]: q18 ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no
RU: З18
Uberdude [4d?\]: shenzhen: because i am stupid
p2501 [?\]: h16?
FlexN [3k\]: o18
Chachi [1d\]: o18
RU: P18
Uberdude [4d?\]: q18 bigger than h16
Turnipsi [1d\]: maybe p18?
gru [2k\]: d13
Chachi [1d\]: o17 would make a big ko if white doesnt answer
purun [3k\]: nooo w lost....
RU: a belgian ko?
p2501 [?\]: thought h16 was kinda sente because of h19 throw in?
legeh [2k\]: is black slightly ahead?
Uberdude [4d?\]: chachi is now honory belgian
RU: :)
hihahohu: vow, black in sfae lead
Pinguschaf [?\]: looks strange to me that q18 is still not played
DrHolmes [2d?\]: p18
RU: P18
Tyoeds: O 18
]
;B[ob]C[viu30h [5k\]: can b play o18 threaten the go
viu30h [5k\]: ko
Koffein [-\]: o18 threatens a belgian ko?
JoostvdPol [2d\]: what ko?
]
;W[qa]C[Turnipsi [1d\]: no ko ther ever never was nor will be
windows8 [5k\]: b leading?
BlueLepard [5d\]: B leading
Karl05 [1d\]: close
gru [2k\]: n19?
]
;B[mb]C[kostuek [-\]: b reading
l1: Go Jan! Go-go-go!
ohlord [2d\]: w is screwed
Jakarutu [?\]: all in whit that move
Tyoeds:  b will win
]
;W[lb]
;B[nc]C[boobgoober [3k\]:  looks that way
]
;W[ma]C[boobgoober [3k\]: by about 3.5
Turnipsi [1d\]: makes some points at p17
Tyoeds: more
gtrtrtrR: ko
boobgoober [3k\]: double ko
Koffein [-\]: double the ko, double the fun?
LeonEuler [5k\]: game extremely close
Shedal [?\]: nice
sagesse [-\]: double ko!!
]
;B[nb]C[wallh [4k\]: I'd love to see black win
josekin [5k?\]: Black is leading.
FlexN [3k\]: n15
viu30h [5k\]: last seconds will be most laggy or offline at all im sure
gtrtrtrR: white  won, black just lost
Fukurokuji [1k\]: b is flashback right?
btu13: I count a comfy b lead..
JanekF [1k\]: b +2,5
gtrtrtrR: he must ko
sarmale [1k?\]: yes he is
Shedal [?\]: Catalin would tell you that leading against Ilya doesn't neccesarily mean winning
mooooo [5k\]: roln111 vs bum/flashback
btu13: I know, but in this stage...
Shedal [?\]: exactly in this stage
gtrtrtrR: Q18 biggest
Chachi [1d\]: there's always some score shenanigans with the rules so i never assume anything
]
;W[bo]C[copyright [2d\]: b5 
learngofan [-\]: in this stage its pretty over
BraKet2 [4k\]: q18 gote
Karl05 [1d\]: don't think it's over
Bazilikan [-\]: how do I see the game live?
ErgoProxy [5d\]: b is ahead even if w captures 2 stones here
shenzhen [4d\]: w wins you fools
elare: lol
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
boobgoober [3k\]: nice that may put w in the lead
shashwat [7k\]: eurogotv.com
gogonuts [5d\]: w does win
shashwat [7k\]: http://www.eurogotv.com
Chachi [1d\]: A5 works for black here
shashwat [7k\]: you'll need a free account
katil [1k\]: w 0,5
Bazilikan [-\]: every time I try to see it live
Bazilikan [-\]: it starts this stupid review
Shedal [?\]: yeah, annoying
Bazilikan [-\]: how do i see it?
viu30h [5k\]: means offine atm
viu30h [5k\]: bad internet
Chachi [1d\]: a5,a4, c5, c4, white captures 2 stones
Bazilikan [-\]: oh
Bazilikan [-\]: thasnks
Bazilikan [-\]: thanks*
SIscurge [5d\]: I think black wins by 5
Javaness [3d\]: vast
eve20 [1k\]: b5  nice
SIscurge [5d\]: I tried to finish it offline.
Pinguschaf [?\]: almost no way to lose as black now
Pinguschaf [?\]: haha, yeah i also got 5 pts for black :P
Turnipsi [1d\]: a5 ->c6, w gets some stones
Javaness [3d\]: did a czech ever win the european before?
Shedal [?\]: How much tim eleft for B?
Sur [3k?\]: yes, Vladimir Danek is a former winner
shashwat [7k\]: damn.. it's much closer than i thought
Pinguschaf [?\]: 20 years ago?
mooooo [5k\]: b a6 may be best
Sur [3k?\]: something like that, yes :)
Freddo [7d\]: simara wins
Freddo [7d\]: wow
Pinguschaf [?\]: woohoo
Freddo [7d\]: this is unexpected:)
Pinguschaf [?\]: but quite nice
viu30h [5k\]: he still has to not blunder til end
Freddo [7d\]: yes great for simara
mooooo [5k\]: if ilia wins the egc are getting a bit boring^^
blunderdog: yay for l
Warlord [-\]: ilia had it coming
blunderdog: *blunders
egc2012b: heast pingu du sollst herkommen
viu30h [5k\]: thats hard business against ilya thought not blundering
peugeot [4d\]: did they count yet?
Javaness [3d\]: when did Danek win?
anant1111 [10k\]: b  win
Bazilikan [-\]: is it over?
viu30h [5k\]: nope
Javaness [3d\]: http://www.eurogofed.org/results/hofpast.htm#champ don't see him listed
viu30h [5k\]: bad internet so no broadcast atm
shashwat [7k\]: score est says b+0.5, with atleast one point  for b obviously wrong and quite a bit depends on q18...
floating [?\]: jan simaras kgs nick ?
Fukurokuji [1k\]: bum
elare: flashback?
Fukurokuji [1k\]: flashback
Chachi [1d\]: b+2.5
kostuek [-\]: bad internet at egc is a bit funny
joachim [?\]: never - Jan is the first Czeck
arczi [4k\]: anybody knows what's ondrej silt nick here?
TonyTiger [-\]: is it over?
Muttley [2k\]: has this game finished?
mooooo [5k\]: flashback / bum
SIscurge [5d\]: feed is off
goatsunday [5k\]: we're not sure, mutley\\
arczi [4k\]: i mean onrej, not jan
Chachi [1d\]: EuroGoTV1 left the room
Chachi [1d\]: :(
joachim [?\]: http://www.eurogofed.org/results/hofpast.htm
chico [3d\]: b  wins
SIscurge [5d\]: connection lost?
viu30h [5k\]: first usgo pro finale result came in while later cause of internet struggle    now egc finale too?
viu30h [5k\]: yup
Shedal [?\]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Go_Championship
SIscurge [5d\]: ARGHGHGHGHGHGH
shenzhen [4d\]: ok b+5 fair enough ilya can't win :-(((((
BadAngel [4d\]: who win?
Chachi [1d\]: actually if black answer c5 here, its 1 point better than a5 right?
Natsuu [2d\]: b wins
Shedal [?\]: A Czech has never been a champion
Shedal [?\]: (before)
SIscurge [5d\]: Danek
wallh [4k\]: if he wins he's champion ?
guest1122: Jan will win by 3.5
BadAngel [4d\]: Czech win?
mooooo [5k\]: oh i didnt know svetlana shikshin won egc
guest1122: guest is me, Danek ;-)
p2501 [?\]: maybe eurogotv2 can tell us what happend?
viu30h [5k\]: he prob dc too0
Cuki [4d\]: Shedal - it is a bit tricky, Guo Juan won EGC, but it was not clear, if she should be really european champion, Danek was second after her
calgacus [1d?\]: Danek! Still alive!
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: sorry, cant see anything from the first board
guest1122: Surprisingly
Shedal [?\]: @Cuki, When did Danek win the championship?
SIscurge [5d\]: Let the second board and go look!
p2501 [?\]: thanks eurogotv2
Chachi [1d\]: where is the TV1 guy
Draqon [2d\]: do they still play on this board?
JanekF [1k\]: Vladimir Danek? Is it you?
DrHolmes [2d?\]: who won ?
kostuek [-\]: first board was destroyed
viu30h [5k\]: ilya nuclear tesujid here
SanekFree [-\]: ))
shenzhen [4d\]: ilya was sad that he lost so he threw the board at simara?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 1.board still playing
Draqon [2d\]: thx
SIscurge [5d\]: yay eurogo1 back
kostuek [-\]: dont believe hin
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B+5.5
SIscurge [5d\]: |esu
TurtleDove [4k\]: poor Harry, lost connection. has to figure out the yose moves :(
SIscurge [5d\]: SUPEEEEER
Chachi [1d\]: Jan!!
Shedal [?\]: WOW
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: they played to the end
SIscurge [5d\]: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
SanekFree [-\]: Realy?
wallh [4k\]: OMG
SanekFree [-\]: Ilya lost?!
WestEvil [7k\]: bad bad
Pig [?\]: Yes!
Uberdude [4d?\]: Congratulations Jan!!
Shedal [?\]: What an upset!
ttonndaa [2d\]: Awesome!
Chachi [1d\]: SE in yo face shenzhen
Uberdude [4d?\]: a new european champion
Javaness [3d\]: This one? http://www.eurogofed.org/results/congress/egc97m.txt
Korf [1k\]: nice!
Shedal [?\]: Congratulations to the new champion11 :_
SIscurge [5d\]: european champion!!
Uberdude [4d?\]: i wish we could see him on cam
cannelle [-\]: simara powah
p2501 [?\]: I was rooting for Ilya
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B won
p2501 [?\]: gg
p2501 [?\]: thanks eurogotv
shakti [-\]: thanks
Javaness [3d\]: BUM !
woodpecker [?\]: congratulations Jan!
broskev [4k?\]: pekne Honza
viu30h [5k\]: i want video!!
viu30h [5k\]: xD
jast [1k\]: thx
botok: Czech champion!!!!!
gnarf [1k\]: thx eurogo
TurtleDove [4k\]: thanks for all the work Euro. been a good tourney
Slayan [2k\]: gg to jan.
viu30h [5k\]: whats jans kgs nick?
Javaness [3d\]: thanks eurogotv
zongzi [3k\]: thanks
zongzi [3k\]: by how many points`?
SanekFree [-\]: flashback
SanekFree [-\]: viu30h [5k\]^
TurtleDove [4k\]: where is it held next year ?
wallh [4k\]: 5.5 zon
Turnipsi [1d\]: after m17 didn' think this was probaböe, congrats gg
Zachmura [3d\]: eurogo, you have to interview both finalists :)
viu30h [5k\]: yup
boobgoober [3k\]: why dont we get to see the end?
viu30h [5k\]: but after stream started workign again
kostuek [-\]: always play g1
rudaliszka [1d\]: Next year it will be in Poland - http://egc2013.go.art.pl
viu30h [5k\]: means cheap stay huh?
TurtleDove [4k\]: thanks ruda
TonyTiger [-\]: did tormanen and silt already finish their game?
calgacus [1d?\]: Great work Harry. As ever.
ErgoProxy [5d\]: Congratulations! amazing!
ShenWei [2k\]: THX €
viu30h [5k\]: stream will never be there again?
Bazilikan [-\]: who won?
Etherion [2k\]: skvele Pisa!!!
viu30h [5k\]: jan
Warfreak2 [4d\]: wait, jan simara is euro champ?
viu30h [5k\]: yup
Warfreak2 [4d\]: well done to him
viu30h [5k\]: anybody know his kgs nick? (or  tygem or whatever)
Uberdude [4d?\]: hoho he lost to ilya in round 7
cannelle [-\]: and he played the play off to get there :)
TonyTiger [-\]: then jan brothers are so strong
TonyTiger [-\]: simara and hora
Shedal [?\]: are rthey brothers?
viu30h [5k\]: he won against phei and cornel   hehe
LotharN [?\]: jan is flashback
egc2012b: b+6.5
Tesuckji [?\]: sad
Moin9 [1k\]: end??
Etherion [2k\]: sad? no wonderful! :)
TonyTiger [-\]: it's no wonderful?
DPRK [2k\]: end?
Tesuckji [?\]: ilya
Tesuckji [?\]: :'(
Aokame [?\]: still ongoing?
goBum [1k\]: no, jan simara won
Cassis0 [5d\]: who won? 
Cassis0 [5d\]: ah b
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