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GN[EGC2012 European Championship qualifier for final 8]PW[Cristian Pop]PB[Mateusz Surma]WR[7d]BR[6d]DT[2012-08-01]PC[Bonn, Germany]C[stalkor [2k?\]: hi harry
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hoi
stalkor [2k?\]: ga jij vandaag casten op deze?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ik hoop dat iemand het voor mij gaat doen want ik heb met een vriend afgesproken
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ga nu wel alles klaarzetten
stalkor [2k?\]: ok success
Gorim [3k\]: Suuuuurmaaaa
behta [1d\]: pop vs pop
blurb1: they dont rule out colors before game?
bv4 [3k\]: well I know how ill winn
TurtleDove [4k\]: I see a room with blue curtains
blurb1: when will antti play can we see it too?
TurtleDove [4k\]: and the early morning Go ghosts circling the board
Laman [1d\]: Antti plays tomorrow
hasen [7k\]: is this just starting?
blurb1: 12 min
ekku [-\]: blurb, antti already qualified so he will play agains debarre tomorrow in the actual knockouts
blurb1: thx nice^^
Limelight [1d\]: hi
Limelight [1d\]: gg
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2 
klabauter [2d\]: is this round of last 16?
jakotaki [-\]: who is who ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: there is only three plqy off todqy
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: we are waiting the nigiri
klabauter [2d\]: ic tx
TurtleDove [4k\]: Poppy played so well yesterday against Song. Let's hope his form continues
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;B[pq]C[AncientZen [3k\]: wow pop won
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;W[dd]C[AncientZen [3k\]: i fell asleep and song was ahead
TurtleDove [4k\]: no he lost but played well
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;B[fq]C[WoodyGuy [3k\]: lost but played well is an oxymoron
AncientZen [3k\]: ah I see...
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;W[pn]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2 
viu30h [6k\]: im still buffled a bit if its the last 8  and right now   christian pop mateusz surma jan simara zhao pei ion florescu and pavol lisy          so theres only 2 left?   that i wouldnt understand since silt cornel and ilya were top3 placed europeans
Laman [1d\]: nope, just qualification to fit 11 into the final 8
rkda [6k\]: I disagree woody, there are a number of atributes to play that are not based on the outcome of the game, such as general courtesy, fighting spirit, good sportsmanship
blurb1: 3 of these 6 come to the last 8
TurtleDove [4k\]: 5 already qualified for the last 8. these 3 games for the other 3 places
goedeljp [1k\]: b c6
viu30h [6k\]: aaaaah
viu30h [6k\]: thx a lot
viu30h [6k\]: does that mean tomorrow will be the main 8s games and day after tomorrow the finale?
blurb1: these asian guys are quite overhelming making close game is success already
MaLa [4d\]: tmrw quarter final
Michi86 [5k\]: day after day after tomorrow
MaLa [4d\]: friday semis
MaLa [4d\]: sat final
Laman [1d\]: if someone is interested in the (not too juicy) complete rules, here they are: http://eurogofed.org/egf/ecrules.htm
Michi86 [5k\]: Oh hi Antti! Came to spy your opponents?
Tien [8d?\]: Just for a moment :)
Michi86 [5k\]: ;)
Tien [8d?\]: Need to go soon
lupis [3d\]: what are you up to today? second wednesday so today is the poker tournament?
Laman [1d\]: O4
TurtleDove [4k\]: ignoring kakari seems popular these days
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;B[cn]C[kryft [1d?\]: When has it not been?
goedeljp [1k\]: w e5
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;B[cq]C[Michi86 [5k\]: Actually interested about this sequence, how high dans play it
goedeljp [1k\]: w r3
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;W[qq]C[Michi86 [5k\]: ^^
BongoBob [7k\]: that's how :p
Michi86 [5k\]: 5points
goedeljp [1k\]: g4 or d7
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;B[fc]C[Tien [8d?\]: Lupis, seeing some sight around the city I guess
Malingo [4d\]: Tien will you play the winner?
blurb1: he play winner of pavol game
blurb1: http://www.egc2012.eu/home/news/2012/07/31/qualification-games-top-8-europeans
Malingo [4d\]: ahh thats even better i think
Malingo [4d\]: looks like debarre to me?
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;B[oq]C[blurb1: right right
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: not sure there are rules for the pairing in knock-out  it s depend who win the three games today
Laman [1d\]: i believe the pairing can still be mixed in order to avoid repeated games
TurtleDove [4k\]: did Andy Liu win yesterday ? I had to leave
blurb1: andy won
TurtleDove [4k\]: ah thx
viu30h [6k\]: i think he killed large and very strange
viu30h [6k\]: 8 stone nakade or so
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes for quarter and for half 
zum [-\]: how's cornel doing?
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;W[hc]C[viu30h [6k\]: not playing atm
viu30h [6k\]: he play winner of this game
Pinguschaf [?\]: r2 feels so big
zum [-\]: r2 big but not urgent
viu30h [6k\]: yeah 2 space and r2 are miai for b iguess
Laman [1d\]: hmm, and given that Shikshin played both Lisý and Florescu, how should they switch?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: nobody can say the pairing for the next round    last year in bordeaux  they need three hours to find the pairing according the rules
Laman [1d\]: really? :D
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: we need to wait the results of current games
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes really
Malingo [4d\]: thats sad
Michi86 [5k\]: Tien will play against Thomas, if either Mateuz or Zhao wins. If we speculated right yesterday.
AncientZen [3k\]: you know whats sad? russian tears
Malingo [4d\]: it should just be 1 vs 8 and so on
Michi86 [5k\]: If both loose, Antti will play against Ilya
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;B[qr]C[lupis [3d\]: but you can have lots of delicious speculation about them
lupis [3d\]: the pairings that is :)
blurb1: in chess we play 1-5 2-6 and so on to keep strength difference equal isnt that more fair?
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;W[rr]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: go mateusz!!!!!!!!!!!!
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;B[sr]C[holynec [-\]: all europeans playing on the broadcasts i see
holynec [-\]: no koreans :o
Uberdude [4d?\]: oh atari this way
Michi86 [5k\]: Malingo, problem arises when folding is primary, BUT you need to avoid same matches as long as possible
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2 
Uberdude [4d?\]: i thought s1 normal
Uberdude [4d?\]: diff is this way corner can live at s4 if w cut?
AncientZen [3k\]: in a cosmic sense what is normal"?
Malingo [4d\]: what matches should we avoid?
colonello [1d\]: hmm w plans to nose attach for influence
Uberdude [4d?\]: or o4
holynec [-\]: o3
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;W[np]C[holynec [-\]: uber weak
lupis [3d\]: blurb: when the knockout is also used to determine lower placements that would lead to problems
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;B[rs]C[colonello [1d\]: hmm o4 is better
Blitzcore [1d?\]: tach
blurb1: lupis i dont know if this is an argument
AncientZen [3k\]: this all seems good for w
Malingo [4d\]: i clearly prefer b
colonello [1d\]: no good balance between territory and influence
WoodyGuy [3k\]: white is interesting
colonello [1d\]: approach upper right?
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;W[op]C[blurb1: r14 would probably be pincered 
zum [-\]: dont you pincer my r14!
colonello [1d\]: well jump and fight
blurb1: hm this looks slow
Ootakamoku [-\]: Im always greedy and play o3 instead of p4
Ootakamoku [-\]: and then crash later because of it
holynec [-\]: wow p4?
zum [-\]: ahh the pleasure of crashing
holynec [-\]: slow
ptitlou [2d\]: q6 looks...mmh... not in the best position !
zum [-\]: holy crashed too
Ootakamoku [-\]: r14 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2 
globax [3d\]: very thick or slow ?
colonello [1d\]: i guess w wants to threaten to surround b
Ootakamoku [-\]: r14 like only move?
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;W[fd]C[globax [3d\]: f167
globax [3d\]: ^^
SIscurge [5d\]: I f16 really alright with the c6 stone?
Ootakamoku [-\]: but if b plays like c9 now..
Ootakamoku [-\]: corner open and the e5 stones really weak..
colonello [1d\]: yep cuz of d7 f16 looks good
globax [3d\]: w treat e5 lightly
Ootakamoku [-\]: I guess f16 kinda helps out with r14 approach too
polt: any korean?
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;B[qf]C[polt: e17
Ootakamoku [-\]: so, w d7 now then?
colonello [1d\]: d7!
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;W[dm]C[colonello [1d\]: b5?
Backflash [6k\]: did pop win yesterday?
Ootakamoku [-\]: c8
eslite [3k\]: no
Backflash [6k\]: thx
Ootakamoku [-\]: or maybe topleft corner now
AncientZen [3k\]: c7 to follow the concervative play so far
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;B[cc]C[Backflash [6k\]: q6 looks atackable?
Ootakamoku [-\]: backflash, in your dreams maybe
blurb1: q6 very strong
Ootakamoku [-\]: w can probably ignore 3 moves in that area, and still live without any trouble
colonello [1d\]: w gets sente in upper left to play c7
Backflash [6k\]: well maybe not atackable, but "pressureable"?
Ootakamoku [-\]: no, not even presurable
Backflash [6k\]: okay
Ootakamoku [-\]: more like, b dont want to approach it too close even, because its so thick
golife4TGA [2d\]: q6 very strong? ı think over concantrate
Ootakamoku [-\]: c16 d17 e17 e18 e16 f18 c7 is bad for white because.?
Egg [8k\]: yes, it's both
colonello [1d\]: its good
WoodyGuy [3k\]: seems like black is going to win
AncientZen [3k\]: this move is usually made with the c14 stone?
colonello [1d\]: what do you mean b gets four corners so loses
Ootakamoku [-\]: I guess theoretically it could end up as.. c16 d17 e17 e18 e16 c8 f18 d19 g17 c18?
golife4TGA [2d\]: c17 answer for d7. it is clever
Gorim [3k\]: to early to tell, but I hope so:P
Egg [8k\]: huh, black has no thickness at all, how does it seem that he is winning ?
Malingo [4d\]: too early to say who is winning, but black moves are easier to understand
Ootakamoku [-\]: w thickness is so.. dispersed, and black ahead in cash by miles
WoodyGuy [3k\]: black stones more efficient and natural
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;W[dc]C[colonello [1d\]: ?
Ootakamoku [-\]: really curious to know why d17 and now c16
Gorim [3k\]: thanks to black R14 if black plays one more move on the right side white thickness wil be useless
golife4TGA [2d\]: 4 corner dangerous. ı hope so,b knows to do
Ootakamoku [-\]: I guess w preparing for o17 approach this way
colonello [1d\]: double hane?
Ootakamoku [-\]: double hane absolutely not
WoodyGuy [3k\]: d17 because white wants to build influnece towards center right
Ootakamoku [-\]: you really want to give b a ponnuki on the side you have just developped?
WoodyGuy [3k\]: so that q6 dont look so out of place
golife4TGA [2d\]: now tenuki, ı think
Ootakamoku [-\]: why tenuki?
Ootakamoku [-\]: makes no sense imo
WoodyGuy [3k\]: tenuki here no good
Ootakamoku [-\]: atleast make w pay if he wants to take sente
Ootakamoku [-\]: the normal sequence here ends in b sente anyways
golife4TGA [2d\]: becouse center can very big for w
colonello [1d\]: w will take sente if b plays in upper left
WoodyGuy [3k\]: white really wants g4
NH3CH2COOH [3k\]: that was mr Eurogotv
TurtleDove [4k\]: I feel a moyo game coming on
colonello [1d\]: so far its 3rd line territory versus a pitiful outline of the center moyo
golife4TGA [2d\]: is mine false think? ootakamoku
viu30h [6k\]: c16 let b live in gote than c7 would be more moyoish
Ootakamoku [-\]: golife, I think its a bit rushed mentality.. its open from so many directions, especially if b develops from c17 too
Ootakamoku [-\]: c16 c14 is the sente grab sequence, but leaves b with better corner and followups
Ootakamoku [-\]: but could be you are on to something, since b has been thinking for so long about c16
xasdasdx [7k\]: perhaps he is looking to find a trick that isnt there
xasdasdx [7k\]: due to d17
Backflash [6k\]: b wants corner here?
Backflash [6k\]: w gets too much on the side if corner?
golife4TGA [2d\]: ı can play tengen. is it bad? Ootakamoku
Ootakamoku [-\]: dno, to me tengen looks a bit abstract, not clearly doing anything.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i demander
golife4TGA [2d\]: r u bot king? :))
Ootakamoku [-\]: looked at my game record, huh?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: sorry
viu30h [6k\]: tengen looks like doing more than q6
golife4TGA [2d\]: pls dan player. what do you think about tengen?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2 
WoodyGuy [3k\]: no good tangen now
WoodyGuy [3k\]: tengen in general no good
golife4TGA [2d\]: I love eurogo tv :)
viu30h [6k\]: lol?
viu30h [6k\]: thats so not true
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;B[cd]C[WoodyGuy [3k\]: it is romantic but most of the time no good
viu30h [6k\]: ive seen lee sedol play tengen too
viu30h [6k\]: and it was pretty good at that point xD
Ootakamoku [-\]: in most games tengen is played.
Laman [1d\]: tengen good at beginning, you have to fit your other moves to it
WoodyGuy [3k\]: Oota u are right
Akari1 [1k\]: Lee SeDol will only play tengen when it works
WoodyGuy [3k\]: but not within first 30 moves
Ootakamoku [-\]: really curious to see how w handles this, seems so hard to hink w will let b just extend out from the corner, yet taking gote to enclose seems equally problematic
viu30h [6k\]: but he did
viu30h [6k\]: to reduce a 4 star point opening
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;W[cg]
;B[db]C[golife4TGA [2d\]: b trust to self fight ability
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;W[eb]C[cucaiduong [3k?\]: i think w C16 better than D17
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;W[ec]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: e17 such a sad move
Ootakamoku [-\]: now w thinks of o17 and c7 as miai?
globax [3d\]: p17
viu30h [6k\]: i see pop always going on influence these days
Ootakamoku [-\]: I would like c8 more I think
kryft [1d?\]: He's always under the influence?
Ootakamoku [-\]: c8 feels more.. active
Pinguschaf [?\]: left side is not so important
cucaiduong [3k?\]: yeah
Ootakamoku [-\]: hmm
golife4TGA [2d\]: p17 nice if r14 could  at r13
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;B[oc]C[yabyum [3k\]: but after white c7?
TurtleDove [4k\]: yeaah, that f17 stone made W play f16 and e18 and e17. too much aji for one stone
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;W[gp]C[Rossk [-\]: then it's c7 now i guess?
viu30h [6k\]: q13 only chance left?
Akari1 [1k\]: 4 corners = resign
Rossk [-\]: oh g4
Backflash [6k\]: g4 eh?
Pinguschaf [?\]: just tenuki after c7
Rossk [-\]: ...
Ootakamoku [-\]: hmm, tengen soonish might not be a bad idea
globax [3d\]: :)
Backflash [6k\]: haha
eslite [3k\]: for black?
Backflash [6k\]: yea
viu30h [6k\]: lol say harry he will love this game
Pinguschaf [?\]: push once and q10
viu30h [6k\]: b already 4 corners and might take center
Backflash [6k\]: not from pop
Rossk [-\]: b stones seem more efficient
NH3CH2COOH [3k\]: why is the other board not playing
Ootakamoku [-\]: ping, you going to give w thickness towards center from p12 area too when w attacks there threatteniong to cut away q10 stone?
Gorim [3k\]: the center isn't white
NH3CH2COOH [3k\]: fast game?
Gorim [3k\]: so it isn't necessary to take it from white:P
golife4TGA [2d\]: b stones seem more under the preasure. go is a isnteresting game
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;B[fp]C[viu30h [6k\]: isnt b settled 100% everywhere?
profan [-\]: black 4 corners O.o
Ootakamoku [-\]: b asking for bad shape
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;W[fo]
;B[go]C[golife4TGA [2d\]: b started to take a risk
TurtleDove [4k\]: W has some walls, B has some corners. which will give more points ?
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;B[fr]
;W[ip]C[profan [-\]: isnt w overconcentrated?
Ootakamoku [-\]: that g5 cutting stone looks so usefull..
Ootakamoku [-\]: wait, not it doesnt
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;B[ho]C[Rossk [-\]: hehe
Damasippus [7k?\]: g5 is the target
golife4TGA [2d\]: ı think equal now.. but black must  to take risk
Michi86 [5k\]: b tengen and be happy ;)
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;W[iq]C[SIscurge [5d\]: Blacks plan is to make a random floating flexible group
Ootakamoku [-\]: I guess it gives just about enough forcing moves for b to make some shape in that area
profan [-\]: the target is tengen ^^
Ootakamoku [-\]: but its not like it was free
Ootakamoku [-\]: b paid like 20+ of cash for that group
profan [-\]: l3 ^^
golife4TGA [2d\]: black from which country?
viu30h [6k\]: he already has enough cash
Rossk [-\]: and it's kind of between a rock and a hard place^^
Ootakamoku [-\]: g8 or g7 next I guess
Ootakamoku [-\]: tho giving w j5 hurts too
profan [-\]: q9 ^^
Ootakamoku [-\]: f7 maybe?
golife4TGA [2d\]: c11?
Rossk [-\]: f7 works with c6 ..
Rossk [-\]: but let's w cut easy
profan [-\]: c11 would be another weak stone close to white influence? 2 groups weak,arent strategically bad?
Ootakamoku [-\]: profan, if b considers his g5 stoness light, then its not strategically a problem
Yrael [1d\]: black is from poland
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;B[hl]C[golife4TGA [2d\]: profan it is posible but w very strong for center..what is your choice
blurb1: c11 make miai out of b13 and c8 some how?
Ootakamoku [-\]: w cap on this for style
alfi [4k\]: g7
globax [3d\]: c7-b5-f8
profan [-\]: now w has to take care about d7 e5 f5 d4 
viu30h [6k\]: q13 and go super aggressive
eve20 [1k\]: 大家好这里超级热
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: dont need to do c7 b5 exchange
Backflash [6k\]: oh archery is fantastic today!
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: maybe later you just c4
Backflash [6k\]: h8 not far enough?
eve20 [1k\]: 4 conners 
globax [3d\]: so f8?
Ootakamoku [-\]: h8 looks just nice, looks really hard to attack that group
alfi [4k\]: g7!
golife4TGA [2d\]: h10?
AncientZen [3k\]: h8
alfi [4k\]: cO
Ootakamoku [-\]: f8 k6 next I guess
viu30h [6k\]: also the shimiari in top right limits white chances to attack for profit immensely
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;W[fl]C[globax [3d\]: :)
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: now, technically soeaking, b5 is b honte, but he wont do it
Ootakamoku [-\]: ideally I guess b would want to play something like h10.. but the shape feels.. weird
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: speaking*
lizzie [8k?\]: game very hard for B
Cassis0 [5d\]: w opening very slow 
golife4TGA [2d\]: white wants to kill  b, as an little pieces 
Cassis0 [5d\]: k6 next
Maek [3d\]: why not h10?
Cassis0 [5d\]: come on, w doesnt want to kill b, he just put some pressure on his group
Ootakamoku [-\]: c11 now for style
ekku [-\]: which color is pop? android kgs client doesn't tell
Cassis0 [5d\]: h10 ok too
golife4TGA [2d\]: g8?
Ootakamoku [-\]: actually, c10 better
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w
ekku [-\]: thanks euro
Ootakamoku [-\]: c10 and just declare that w cant have anything, its all B
profan [-\]: what's the direction for black now? top or right?
Ootakamoku [-\]: black direction is help the floating group
profan [-\]: yes but how top or right ?
Cassis0 [5d\]: h10 cool
Ootakamoku [-\]: h10 the direction b wants to go, buyt k6 feels like the natural move
Cassis0 [5d\]: w k6 would be annoying 
profan [-\]: k6 is a threat?
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: k6 seems cool for black
alfi [4k\]: no but big
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: he can k6 then h10 prolly
Ootakamoku [-\]: not sure w will answer from bottom side to k6
Ootakamoku [-\]: feels like b shape still weak enough that it cant really followup properly to l4 anyways
profan [-\]: after k6 if w doesnt answer, then black can make easy life attacking j3?
NH3CH2COOH [3k\]: why other board down?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 2h left for pop and 1h45 for surma
profan [-\]: if g5 is just a sacrifice?
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: I think that if w doesn't answer k6, black will get a good shape easily using pressure or attack moves
WoodyGuy [3k\]: the one space jump is never wrong
Zahlman [1k\]: is there an explanation somewhere for the tournament format?
Ootakamoku [-\]: but answering locally is so.. painfull for w, since b still has n2
blurb1: http://www.egc2012.eu/home/news/2012/07/31/qualification-games-top-8-europeans
Cassis0 [5d\]: yes woodguy, except when it's wrong
Pinguschaf [?\]: how about j5?
profan [-\]: f9 is that so bad?
golife4TGA [2d\]: never say never for Go game.
golife4TGA [2d\]: g8 look slow but b need it.
Zahlman [1k\]: ok, so past this point it is single elimination?
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: I think so Zahlman
ptitlou [2d\]: what about l9 to go away from w strength
Ootakamoku [-\]: l9 is flexible for sure :)
golife4TGA [2d\]: b should strong ath this area.
go [-\]: how about b5 and let white attack 
WoodyGuy [3k\]: how is white going to get paid back
hfl [?\]: hi all
golife4TGA [2d\]: ı can play k6 or g8 
Ootakamoku [-\]: actually, letting w waste 2-3 moves attacking the b group might be a fun strategy, just tenuki here and grab more cash
profan [-\]: d9 and see what w answers ^^
viu30h [6k\]: b is only so ahead on cash he can afford easily spending the moves to save his group doesnt need more cash imo
golife4TGA [2d\]: profan you said. d9 and second eak group
golife4TGA [2d\]: weak*
hfl [?\]: what game is it?
Paddy053 [3k\]: go
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;B[hj]C[hfl [?\]: i mean what tournament
Cereales [4k\]: baduk weiqi
golife4TGA [2d\]: who is the first place at the tournament now.
spider451 [1d\]: what does it say there on the top?
Rossk [-\]: so is it k6 fort w now then?
golife4TGA [2d\]: h7 should come
Ootakamoku [-\]: minor problem with k6 is that e5 might come under attack
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;B[ep]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: which it looks like w wants to fix first
golife4TGA [2d\]: very dangerous game
blurb1: main is here http://www.egc2012.eu/congress/main-tournaments/open-european-championship/results-main-tournament-round-7
colonello [1d\]: b4?
golife4TGA [2d\]: pepe, pls kibitz
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;W[bp]C[Rossk [-\]: good call colonello :)
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;B[dn]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2 
Ootakamoku [-\]: the top5 advanced directly to top8?
Ootakamoku [-\]: which is why ilja isnt playing?
Namaskar [1d\]: Hi guys - late to log on.... does anyone know what  happened in Pop's game yesterday? yhx
roujiamo [5d\]: yes
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: he is in top 8 already
]
;W[do]C[golife4TGA [2d\]: thnx harry
roujiamo [5d\]: http://www.egc2012.eu/home/news/2012/07/31/qualification-games-top-8-europeans
Ootakamoku [-\]: what a mess for b
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;B[bq]C[roujiamo [5d\]: 4 corners = gg
colonello [1d\]: is there something in the corner?
Ootakamoku [-\]: yes
hfl [?\]: yes
profan [-\]: how many points black ahead?
eve20 [1k\]: b looks good 2 me
hfl [?\]: without B3, B2 jump makes black corner dead
roujiamo [5d\]: ko actually
hfl [?\]: yes
hfl [?\]: ko
Ootakamoku [-\]: I dont get why d6?
Ootakamoku [-\]: why not just directly b3?
Maek [3d\]: more aji?
Nilatarion [3d\]: now more aji 
hfl [?\]: bad shape for white
Paddy053 [3k\]: wanted to see whites reaction
McCallaway [1d\]: isn'tit a test move?
Ootakamoku [-\]: but w had to fix anyways, no?
AncientZen [3k\]: b looks tense
Ootakamoku [-\]: now w can fix by attacking
roujiamo [5d\]: w shape maybe messier now?
hfl [?\]: yes
hfl [?\]: if b3 directly white d6 with not doubt
profan [-\]: b3 to make life?
Ootakamoku [-\]: hfl, but then b has sente for outside group
hfl [?\]: now not easy for white to make decision
hfl [?\]: i mean to control two black stones easily
Ootakamoku [-\]: w f10 
golife4TGA [2d\]: about; b has 42, w has 35,5 points. but w has very good thickness. ı think w ahead
Ootakamoku [-\]: and jus tdeclare the 2 stones contain no aji
golife4TGA [2d\]: real points*
mozarto [2k?\]: g7 ?
LeonEuler [5k\]: g7 seems terrible
hfl [?\]: finally E7 i guess
apranax [7k\]: how to look at result table, plz ? 
LeonEuler [5k\]: e7 solid
golife4TGA [2d\]: now, haengma works for w
Nilatarion [3d\]: white 35,5 point lol
roujiamo [5d\]: the stones have a lot of aji if f10
profan [-\]: b13 ^^
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;W[io]C[Backflash [6k\]: attack!
Backflash [6k\]: kind of...
hfl [?\]: interesting
Ootakamoku [-\]: I would abandon those 2 stones now
Ootakamoku [-\]: just play f10
golife4TGA [2d\]: 02 17 points for w
Ootakamoku [-\]: looks like b could be happy if w uses a move to cut them off
AncientZen [3k\]: b kinda looks like neville longbottom
profan [-\]: i really dont understand white global strategy
Backflash [6k\]: it was the same yesterday
Backflash [6k\]: more or less
NH3CH2COOH [3k\]: mr elephant
golife4TGA [2d\]: it is a moyo game which is controled sides
dragking [1k\]: what happened to andy liu?
dragking [1k\]: was he knocked out?
Backflash [6k\]: he is in USA who cares?
littlebird [2k\]: looks like next few moves v important 
profan [-\]: are unimportant move in go ? ^^
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;B[en]C[blurb1: andy plays for pro next match
golife4TGA [2d\]: very big fight
Ootakamoku [-\]: niiice
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;W[fn]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: w will be crying now I think
]
;B[em]C[LeonEuler [5k\]: white is fine
Ootakamoku [-\]: this looks horrible for w
profan [-\]: for some reason, f6 should be at g6?
Ootakamoku [-\]: b still has some shape in center, and b just erased the left side compleatly
eve20 [1k\]: before u said b is a mess
golife4TGA [2d\]: it is not good for b..beacuse w wants this style
LeonEuler [5k\]: left side was never big for white
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;W[el]C[LeonEuler [5k\]: im strong 5k i know
profan [-\]: lol ^^
Hino [-\]: lol
Ootakamoku [-\]: f7 g7 g8 g6 d8 c7 e9?
Ootakamoku [-\]: doesnt that just work for b?
golife4TGA [2d\]: strong 5 kyu can very dangerous
WoodyGuy [3k\]: this is going to be bad for black
profan [-\]: f7 h6 
shashwat [8k\]: what if b g7?
Ootakamoku [-\]: f7 h6 g7 g6 c8 
Ootakamoku [-\]: still w crying imo
WoodyGuy [3k\]: the center gonna be huge
LeonEuler [5k\]: what
Ootakamoku [-\]: f7 g7 g8 c7 g6 b6 h7 b7 maybe?
LeonEuler [5k\]: your sequence is off
golife4TGA [2d\]: o12 move and d12 area equal all b points
profan [-\]: w strategy is really flexible, it looks invisible to me ^^
TurtleDove [4k\]: we can see the size of B corners. W is backing himself to make more.not for the faint-hearted
Rossk [-\]: could maybe f7 g7 g8 g6 d8 d9 ?
blurb1: f7 g7 g8 h6 isnt just nice for w?
xyproto [4k\]: My 4k superpowers tells me that it's hard to have all four corners and also do well in the center
Ootakamoku [-\]: f7 g7 g8 g6 d8 d9 c8 c9 b7 and live?
golife4TGA [2d\]: white will kill as little pieces
LeonEuler [5k\]: why g6 and not h6
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;B[fm]C[maciek [3d\]: WOAAAH
maciek [3d\]: mateusz!!!
WoodyGuy [3k\]: brave
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;W[gm]
;B[gl]
;W[hn]C[WoodyGuy [3k\]: but the brave dies young
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;B[dl]
;W[dk]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: now 4 point live when w pueshes here
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;B[cl]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: 4 point life*
LeonEuler [5k\]: i read this sequence 10 min ago
LeonEuler [5k\]: ...
mthd [-\]: wow u so strong
Rossk [-\]: c9
mthd [-\]: can i touch you ?
LeonEuler [5k\]: e10
Hino [-\]: then why you aren't the one sitting there?
LeonEuler [5k\]: cuz i cant fly to europe
mthd [-\]: cocky weakling
Pinguschaf [?\]: this result looks satisfying for white
Hino [-\]: lol
Rossk [-\]: isn't it possible to kill b even?
WoodyGuy [3k\]: good for white
Backflash [6k\]: i'd like to say yes, but no
Fleymen [4k\]: If Pop sees a way, it will happen IMHO.
Trunkmuzik [5d\]: On the broadcast Pop is not acting so satisfied
Natsuu [1d\]: even if b lives, that is not necessary good for him
Trunkmuzik [5d\]: he was sighing and shaking his head
Ootakamoku [-\]: b leading by maybe 2 stones in this game
Ootakamoku [-\]: probably more even
blurb1: he makes course as an actor, too xD
Trunkmuzik [5d\]: hehe
Rossk [-\]: what b response to c9?
Ootakamoku [-\]: c9 b7 
LeonEuler [5k\]: cut actually
Rossk [-\]: b7 -> alive of course, but w gets to solidify outside in sente
Ootakamoku [-\]: also, w cant play b7, as w just sacirifices d6 stones, for a ponnuki on d9 , and connection to h10
xyproto [4k\]: what do you think w is considering, except from c9 and e10?
golife4TGA [2d\]: c9 e9 f9 e10 b8 c7 f10 f11 e11 d10 c10 d11 g11 e12 g10 b12 b11 b13 b7 and black killed
TurtleDove [4k\]: f10
Ootakamoku [-\]: golife, hence, c9 b7
xyproto [4k\]: TurtleDove: yes, thanks
golife4TGA [2d\]: f10 for b7 is good
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: c9 b9 ?
Malingo [4d\]: c9 e9 
Ootakamoku [-\]: why should b make a huge fight out of this, he is leading..
Ootakamoku [-\]: just settle it, force w to take gote to fix the e9 cut, and settle h10 after that
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: w will get sente imo
golife4TGA [2d\]: b is not leading. b is under the preassure
dragking [1k\]: settling h10 will be the rest of the game, no?
ptitlou [2d\]: nobody wants white b7 ?
orro [1k\]: e10 seems necessary?
Ootakamoku [-\]: c9 b7, and no fixing e9 is not sente against e6 group
maciek [3d\]: if u lead take more and make sure u are really leading!
Koffein [-\]: i'm too tired to read. how about white c10 ?
golife4TGA [2d\]: w can play c9
Ootakamoku [-\]: c9 b7 b9 b5 a4 a5 f10 h12 
orro [1k\]: c9 -> e9
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;W[ck]C[Cezary [5d\]: ey mthd
Rossk [-\]: b doesn't want to e9, it's a dangerous fight
Cezary [5d\]: i read this 1hr ago
UFO [-\]: he?
Tooveli [5d\]: Does the winner of each of the 3 games here make the top 8?
TurtleDove [4k\]: yes
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;B[bk]C[Tooveli [5d\]: OK, thx
Ootakamoku [-\]: hurts to watch this move..
Gorim [3k\]: for black or white?
Gorim [3k\]: I think it is good for black
maciek [3d\]: both
Gorim [3k\]: but that's just me:P
Ootakamoku [-\]: I dont like b9 at all, really think it should be b7
TurtleDove [4k\]: *hands oot a bandage*
shashwat [8k\]: doesn't w b7 make it one eye?
lucifer3 [2k\]: b8=
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: b7 would be too passive
Ootakamoku [-\]: I can see the huge fight it will cause, but really, why is b asking for a complicated fight with the massive lead he has?
Malingo [4d\]: it is not complicated
ptitlou [2d\]: with b7 w get b9 in sente and can take back the chase of center group 
hulaetq: massive lead?!
Gorim [3k\]: white has no territory
Tooveli [5d\]: Black is just living.. White can't let Black connect to the center stones
Malingo [4d\]: b8 c7 w cant b10 
spider451 [1d\]: they say when your ahead you should cut the tead off you opponent
maciek [3d\]: black is not a minimalist
Gorim [3k\]: so yeah big lead
Ootakamoku [-\]: w can fix e9 in sente now
spider451 [1d\]: how?
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: w could fix e9 in sente anyway
Ootakamoku [-\]: no he couldnt, if b had played b7
lucifer3 [2k\]: why w cant b10?
Ootakamoku [-\]: show me a sequence where fixing it is sente against c6 
royu [4d\]: i think it is not clear if b lives after b8
LeonEuler [5k\]: b10 and black will cut
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;W[bl]
;B[cm]C[golife4TGA [2d\]: b10 does not works
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: what is b8 ?
lucifer3 [2k\]: whats wrong with cut
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: I don't see the follow up
lucifer3 [2k\]: i gueess w ahead
Ootakamoku [-\]: b10 is followup
LeonEuler [5k\]: b10 will fail
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: and then bE10 ?
dragking [1k\]: b10 e8
Hench [3k\]: w is wise to g9
globax [3d\]: f10 shape
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;W[bj]C[hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: e9 I mean
]
;B[ek]
;W[fk]
;B[ej]
;W[fj]C[dragking [1k\]: b10 e9 f9 e10 f10 c10 a9 d10 b9 f11 
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;B[cj]C[hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: ...
LeonEuler [5k\]: ....
Gorim [3k\]: hah
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;W[ak]C[golife4TGA [2d\]: c10 was good
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;B[fi]C[Gorim [3k\]: this really happens?
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;W[ei]C[daniug [2d\]: lol
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;B[dj]
;W[gi]
;B[fh]
;W[gj]C[royu [4d\]: this line is not so simple... kibitzers too premature
Ootakamoku [-\]: +1
ptitlou [2d\]: wow
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;B[bk]C[hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: I really don't like this for withe
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;W[hi]C[Natsuu [1d\]: good for w actually
golife4TGA [2d\]: d12
AncientZen [3k\]: now w s thick slow moves in lower right become beneficial
LeonEuler [5k\]: thats quite a sacrafice
golife4TGA [2d\]: moyogame is not th easy.but w still not bad 
]
;B[ii]C[globax [3d\]: q10 big
golife4TGA [2d\]: e12?
royu [4d\]: maybe g12?
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;W[ih]C[Backflash [6k\]: w has not time for o3=\\
Backflash [6k\]: and half dead in center=\\
xyproto [4k\]: not true
LeonEuler [5k\]: white is far from dead in center
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 1h36 left for Pop and 1h25 for Surma
golife4TGA [2d\]: d12 very big
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2 
blurb1: i guess o2 is the move locally
Backflash [6k\]: maye half dead is a wrong word
dragking [1k\]: w should c9 and kill c6
Rossk [-\]: good luck^^
ThiGar [3k\]: w o2 would be solid move
Mukti [4d\]: O2 is big, but the center is much more important now.
Rossk [-\]: b has d12 for life ..
goBum [1k\]: ilya not playing? o_O
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: o2 is smaller than the right side
randomnick [2d\]: q10 
TurtleDove [4k\]: 5 already qualified includes Ilya
LeonEuler [5k\]: what can black do with those 4 center stones
golife4TGA [2d\]: b has no life problem but d12 is very big
roujiamo [5d\]: anyone know why they decided to have three playoffs and not just choose the 3 with best SOS?
Rossk [-\]: well, if w d12, then b needs to make life
Ootakamoku [-\]: so... compared to black playing b7, instead of b9, black would have lived with 5-6 points less, but, h10 group would be ALOT stronger
randomnick [2d\]: 5 have better MMS, do there are 3 slots left
Ootakamoku [-\]: well, lets say 10 points less
Koffein [-\]: roujiamo, sos are pretty much random ...
randomnick [2d\]: and they took 6 best remaining players
randomnick [2d\]: to play for 3 places
randomnick [2d\]: simple
maciek [3d\]: playoffs are cool
randomnick [2d\]: sos too random
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it s depend the sos of player last year there was only one play off
roujiamo [5d\]: SOS too random is the real reason but they still used SOS to decide who gets in to the playoffs :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: cornel vs surin
maciek [3d\]: i think between k12 and d12 now am i totally wronng?
igaz [?\]: .
roujiamo [5d\]: eg lukas kramer, fj has same mms as these guys but get no playoff
Backflash [6k\]: side?
ajka [2k?\]: poop
Backflash [6k\]: r9 like move?
Paddy053 [3k\]: should be 4th line i think
apina [1d\]: there is chance to play play-offs, because this day without main tournament games, why not play those then?
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;B[ji]C[K5 [1k\]: I think K12 hits trouble after white j10
TurtleDove [4k\]: W d12
]
;W[eh]C[royu [4d\]: some aji now with c9
maciek [3d\]: white had no corners but still a lot of points
maciek [3d\]: *has
Damasippus [7k?\]: imo w's position improving steadily
ptitlou [2d\]: yes j11 seems heavy, better to treat the center stones lightly and play d12 no ?
TurtleDove [4k\]: and the corner stones no longer affect the play but W stones do
ThiGar [3k\]: and b must use a sente to make c7 live
K5 [1k\]: However, I think I still prefer Black due to the solid points
maciek [3d\]: what is best move now? b11?
McCallaway [1d\]: D12?
xyproto [4k\]: black O12 for influence :P
ptitlou [2d\]: k12
piequo [15k\]: T19 ?
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;B[bi]C[Ukasuhs [5d?\]: perhaps r17
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: to choose direction
ptitlou [2d\]: k12 seems mandatory no ? you can't let b turn here
LeonEuler [5k\]: k12 seems needed
maciek [3d\]: white r17 now to chose direction?
]
;W[jh]C[K5 [1k\]: Would r17 be tenukiable?? e.g. r17 R11?
]
;B[kh]C[maciek [3d\]: so white is playing r17 to let black choose?
Pinguschaf [?\]: wow
Akari1 [1k\]: L11
K5 [1k\]: w concerned about H12 flaw??
LeonEuler [5k\]: he wont l11 until he reads for 20 min
Malingo [4d\]: l11 h12 
ptitlou [2d\]: he will clearly l11
]
;W[ck]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: will be so funny if b were to die here
Ootakamoku [-\]: he deserves if for playing b9 instead of b7
LeonEuler [5k\]: h12
xyproto [4k\]: first a sente move, then L11?
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: b9 was good...
]
;B[ch]
;W[fg]C[ptitlou [2d\]: still sente...
Natsuu [1d\]: b needs an answer now
Ootakamoku [-\]: playing the locally strongest move isnt always the best move to play, its correct to simplify when leading.
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: and was b leading?
Natsuu [1d\]: b13 then l11
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: and was b9... not simple?
LeonEuler [5k\]: or just l11
xyproto [4k\]: there's mr handsinpants again
maciek [3d\]: read my info Oota, its not so clear according to 2p:)
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;B[ki]
;W[bg]
;B[ai]C[Akari1 [1k\]: wow, b took l11
K5 [1k\]: a14?
Natsuu [1d\]: a13
LeonEuler [5k\]: giving white l11 would be a disaster
Egg [8k\]: both are yose
TurtleDove [4k\]: heh, in left side of the board, W has more points
ThiGar [3k\]: now l11 wallet really looming
Fratloev [1k\]: a13 and kill corner ?
Natsuu [1d\]: a13 is sente for the corner yes
LeonEuler [5k\]: killing corner would be nice
Ootakamoku [-\]: a13 tenuki b16 b17 a18 
K5 [1k\]: Is a13 a better attack than 14?
roujiamo [5d\]: a14 is better for yose
roujiamo [5d\]: a13 only useful as a sente on outside sometimes
roujiamo [5d\]: and as a trick against kyus
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: mostly to trick kyus
x0000 [-\]: a13 
Fratloev [1k\]: not a trick it works fine, just sente
roujiamo [5d\]: yes but a14 is better yose
roujiamo [5d\]: so you are intentionally gonna play a bad move>?
royu [4d\]: eitherl13 or r10 or o2 now?
roujiamo [5d\]: sounds like a trick
gisel [3d\]: a14 better now, black will answer anyway
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's mateusz time
TurtleDove [4k\]: W k8
Kanin [-\]: how is a13 better?
royu [4d\]: k8 is not bad actually
Fratloev [1k\]: a13 and no ko threat
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: the only way a13 is better is if b cant answer, then it could be 1 more point from killing the corner than with a14
roujiamo [5d\]: k8 not too small?
Pinguschaf [?\]: nice reading by marteusz
]
;W[aq]C[roujiamo [5d\]: i think b doesnt care about those stones
x0000 [-\]: пщщв
x0000 [-\]: *good
Kanin [-\]: b2
Egg [8k\]: oh, thats gote isn't it ?
randomnick [2d\]: what after a14 a16 a7 ?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b still alive in corner if he ignores?
Kanin [-\]: egg, no
]
;B[br]C[roujiamo [5d\]: yeah i think so wf2
Warfreak2 [4d\]: oh, no
Kanin [-\]: warfreak, no
Malingo [4d\]: a7 a6 b6 b7 
WoodyGuy [3k\]: its a preparation move
Kanin [-\]: :)
dragking [1k\]: why not just a14?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: because this exchange is free
xyproto [4k\]: is something like w q10 possible now, or is w only playing sente moves for a while?
WoodyGuy [3k\]: because white cant connect back without this
roujiamo [5d\]: oh still ko
Malingo [4d\]: no ko
Nilatarion [3d\]: no ko
WoodyGuy [3k\]: no ko
Weishenme [5d\]: I cannot see a ko
roujiamo [5d\]: if ignore
roujiamo [5d\]: then corner is ok
roujiamo [5d\]: ko
]
;W[bd]C[roujiamo [5d\]: a3 tenuki b2 c2 c1 ko
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b16 nice
WoodyGuy [3k\]: genius!
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if b ignores w can a13 to take one extra point in the corner
Warfreak2 [4d\]: but b won't ignore
Warfreak2 [4d\]: so why not just a14?
]
;B[bc]
;W[ag]C[JanHao [2d\]: a13 sente
roujiamo [5d\]: maybe concern for b b12 being sente for a ko and an eye around c11? seems not believable though
Fratloev [1k\]: a14 too
Fratloev [1k\]: a13 *
Egg [8k\]: a6 ?
WoodyGuy [3k\]: a5 not 6
JanHao [2d\]: a6 a18
]
;B[ad]
;W[am]C[JanHao [2d\]: and black die
JanHao [2d\]: dies
WoodyGuy [3k\]: 7d power!
Warfreak2 [4d\]: but this is already ko
McCallaway [1d\]: it's a ko now no?
x0000 [-\]: b alive
royu [4d\]: just alive
roujiamo [5d\]: seems alive
Malingo [4d\]: no b capture 2 stones
Warfreak2 [4d\]: oh, yeah, alive without ko
maciek [3d\]: phew...
GocchiSama [1k\]: it's a ko no?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: well, technically w can play a ko.......
Warfreak2 [4d\]: but it's a stupid ko :-)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: a6 b7 
royu [4d\]: b had great reading since a11 (assuming read all this out)
ThiGar [3k\]: b dead?
WoodyGuy [3k\]: not dead
roujiamo [5d\]: haha thats a lol ko
royu [4d\]: but don't really get why w waste all these moves here
Cereales [4k\]: no ko
Pinguschaf [?\]: actually b read this when he played l11
Pinguschaf [?\]: should have at least :)
ThiGar [3k\]: wher is the 2nd eye?
WoodyGuy [3k\]: pingu... it is not possible
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b read this while playing his last game
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;B[bm]C[randomnick [2d\]: he read it when he played Q16
WoodyGuy [3k\]: war, that is more like it
viu30h [6k\]: w shouldve read more  l12 still stinks a lot like overplay in my eyes xD
Warfreak2 [4d\]: ok
]
;W[an]C[Cereales [4k\]: lol
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i didn't think about this move
Cereales [4k\]: no ko
royu [4d\]: b read this in his last life as audrey hepburn
]
;B[aj]C[roujiamo [5d\]: hah avoided wf2 ko :)
WoodyGuy [3k\]: he read it while he is still in moms stomach
Warfreak2 [4d\]: stylish
WoodyGuy [3k\]: nice
]
;W[ld]C[Egg [8k\]: ah, 3 eyes
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i like to find these "technically that's a ko....." things
roujiamo [5d\]: 1774 step ko, but a ko nevertheless
WoodyGuy [3k\]: way ahead i already said no ko
royu [4d\]: m16 interesting choice of direction... didn't see this
Warfreak2 [4d\]: once i found a really stupid one in a joseki lesson on the china trip
Akari1 [1k\]: w should have taken L11 when he could
Warfreak2 [4d\]: and then my opponent played it against me in the training game the next day
Fredda [-\]: w look ok 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2 
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;B[pk]C[Egg [8k\]: now invade the right ?
Ootakamoku [-\]: well, its probably resign any moment now
]
;W[qi]C[Cereales [4k\]: gg b
NH3CH2COOH [3k\]: no advertising
ThiGar [3k\]: l14
NH3CH2COOH [3k\]: no lidl spam
royu [4d\]: how about b r8... stylish move
Fredda [-\]: good move 
]
;B[qk]C[royu [4d\]: well r9 similar i guess :)
Fredda [-\]: popi grande will not lose 
]
;W[qg]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: r9 does look a bit more.. shapeish
ThiGar [3k\]: popi plants a seed
Akari1 [1k\]: Oota, are you a pro?
K5 [1k\]:  R9 more focused on attacking r11
ptitlou [2d\]: b doesn' thave so much points
papa19 [-\]: hello
papa19 [-\]: nice to meet you
royu [4d\]: r9 helps set up reduction in lower middle better... also push w into a reduction of upper w
K5 [1k\]: R8 has shapely S7 threat to connect
roujiamo [5d\]: b still has some stones to take care of in this game
roujiamo [5d\]: w can fight
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;B[pf]C[papa19 [-\]: zzzz
Warfreak2 [4d\]: s7 threat is not shapely
roujiamo [5d\]: p10 looks fun
K5 [1k\]: no?
papa19 [-\]: no
]
;W[rf]C[Egg [8k\]: just let white live and play something like n2 
]
;B[re]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: well, hard to critize any move now for w, except those that fail in very obvious ways
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if you r8 then your threat to connect should be s6
Warfreak2 [4d\]: but actually s5 seems a little more interesting
papa19 [-\]: you are egg
roujiamo [5d\]: w not gonna live quietly on the side
roujiamo [5d\]: he gonna counter attack
papa19 [-\]: agree
anton007 [1k\]: s12
royu [4d\]: lol @ "you are egg"
Ootakamoku [-\]: ya, overplay is only way for w
K5 [1k\]: Ah
LeonEuler [5k\]: black not that ahead...
Akari1 [1k\]: L11 was winning move
papa19 [-\]: mmm
SIscurge [5d\]: P10
ThiGar [3k\]: b k13 threatens a lot of white points
roujiamo [5d\]: 笨蛋
papa19 [-\]: ???
Aleix [1k\]: i bet on white
Cereales [4k\]: lol rojiamo
ptitlou [2d\]: b not more thant 35 sure points and w already have 28+komi and more potential in my o
maligo [5d\]: who played on the 4th board?
Ootakamoku [-\]: they have about equal amounts of cash, assuming w can keep the whole top
roujiamo [5d\]: no 4th board
Cereales [4k\]: u count to much for white
TurtleDove [4k\]: another good game by Poppo. fun to watch
LeonEuler [5k\]: white just need to make life here and he has a close game
papa19 [-\]: score estimate W+50.5
LeonEuler [5k\]: doesnt seem easy to live though
Cereales [4k\]: lool the estimation make the b left stones dead
Cereales [4k\]: u.u
TurtleDove [4k\]: no but L11 not alive
erna [7k\]: p12?
roujiamo [5d\]: he wants to p10 but if its no good will need to lame out with just a jump to centre
viu30h [6k\]: poppo ever been so influential or this egc unusual     this egc he always (in the game i saw) went for the influence
papa19 [-\]: who will win?
Cereales [4k\]: b
erna [7k\]: too early
erna [7k\]: to say
papa19 [-\]: why timing didn't start
JanHao [2d\]: white ahead 10 pts
LeonEuler [5k\]: s12
JanHao [2d\]: but black is thik, white have a weak group, q11
Damasippus [7k?\]: if pd10, q10 looks difficult for w. What about p11 and if o10, then push and cut?
villawo [?\]: timing in demonstrations do not run
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;W[pg]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no
papa19 [-\]: why
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 1h18 left for POP and 1h03 for Surma
ThiGar [3k\]: s13 is my kyu move
erna [7k\]: Has lunch taken place?
papa19 [-\]: yes
erna [7k\]: tx
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: they can made a sealling form to lunch
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: bon app
papa19 [-\]: ?
Aleix [1k\]: merci ^^'
erna [7k\]: thz:)
K5 [1k\]: Can B afford to tenuki on right side? I'm tempted by L14...
TurtleDove [4k\]: eating stones for lunch
globax [3d\]: p11 ?
papa19 [-\]: has dinner taken place?
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: I do not like b's position now
Siasio [4d\]: b has 7 groups
Ootakamoku [-\]: statistically you are likely to win if you have 7 groups in scoring
papa19 [-\]: not really
K5 [1k\]: You mean, if you have 7 live groups at the end
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: 6 1/2
Ootakamoku [-\]: yes
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: not 7
Siasio [4d\]: statistically 7th group on the board is dead
royu [4d\]: i try to have 7 living groups on 9x9
LeonEuler [5k\]: statistically you are more likely to have diabetes if you take insulin
papa19 [-\]: can't thrust statistics
Ootakamoku [-\]: I dont remember excact numbers, but based on pro games, if a player had 7 live groups in scoring, he won usually.
Levino [8k?\]: yeah, they are too heavy to fly far :)
K5 [1k\]: L14 no use? Idea was: 1) work on h12 flaw, 2) Aim at L17, 3) indirect help to right side stones
Ootakamoku [-\]: I would be very tempted to play s12 here
papa19 [-\]: me too
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: less than 1h for black
papa19 [-\]: better hurry up
Cereales [4k\]: M4 kill right stones = win è.é, Troll
erna [7k\]: ?
papa19 [-\]: not easy though
randomnick [2d\]: who's that man staring at the goban?
papa19 [-\]: who?
dosaku [?\]: is it an old man ?
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;B[lo]C[apranax [7k\]: hmmm...a go player ?
randomnick [2d\]: woah
papa19 [-\]: why here?
Minjhou [-\]: who said m4? too close!
dosaku [?\]: ah, wants to attack the wall
southdock: I hope he slammed the stone really hard ;)
ThiGar [3k\]: can't be ignored, though
Bubarik [2d?\]: 2 weak groups is clearly not enough....
Ootakamoku [-\]: what... is... this.... move... too deep for me!
Pinguschaf [?\]: he is going for 8th group :)
viu30h [6k\]: surma wants to be the new ilya? overplay and still win?
Ootakamoku [-\]: I can kinda vaguely understand what this move is meant to do, but sure cant call it natural or obvious or easy
papa19 [-\]: ???
blurb1: i think he decided hes little behind and has to do sth
randomnick [2d\]: yeah, ilia surely is overplaying....
Ootakamoku [-\]: is it also meant to break some ladder_
Ootakamoku [-\]: ?
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: wow, that move, so strange
randomnick [2d\]: timesuji
Hench [3k\]: m9
papa19 [-\]: black must have some reason to think of this move
salu [2k\]: cap him
ThiGar [3k\]: nah, Ilya is a fantastic reader
MakinoCPA [1d\]: m7 
papa19 [-\]: not anyhow playing
]
;W[lm]C[hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: I really wonder what is black's plan here
teardrop [5d\]: m6 baby
dosaku [?\]: It's an interesting move (translation; I have no clue)
Levino [8k?\]: lets see :)
Damasippus [7k?\]: m4 seems a little overambitious
Levino [8k?\]: black not at the table
Damasippus [7k?\]: m5*
papa19 [-\]: a tough fight.....
rkda [6k\]: it's a ladder breaker for the cut at j10
TurtleDove [4k\]: something dies
salu [2k\]: well capped
dosaku [?\]: j10 is pretty useless
papa19 [-\]: how much time b left
Levino [8k?\]: black returned
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 54  min for black and 1h15 for white
SIscurge [5d\]: hard to explain m5 
ThiGar [3k\]: aji
]
;B[mm]C[salu [2k\]: push'n cut
MakinoCPA [1d\]: b will make strong wall 
TurtleDove [4k\]: I guess B pretends to attack q6 while strengthening L11 and q9
]
;W[ml]C[dosaku [?\]: black somehow wants to make q9 stronger it seems
]
;B[mn]
;W[ol]C[royu [4d\]: SIscurge, he was reading KGS chat
salu [2k\]: there will be blood
papa19 [-\]: don't look so good now ....to me.....
]
;B[ll]C[MakinoCPA [1d\]: p9 
]
;W[mk]C[maligo [5d\]: how old is mateusz?
TurtleDove [4k\]: epic fail
royu [4d\]: this is a very bad trade if b gets m7 but w solidifies entire r side
papa19 [-\]: Q9 in danger!!!
SIscurge [5d\]: who was reading what?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i don t known
arczi [4k\]: he is 17 or 18
dosaku [?\]: giving up q9 can't be good
maligo [5d\]: approximately?
Nilatarion [3d\]: 17
ThiGar [3k\]: q9 saved with s12 then s7
]
;B[ok]C[royu [4d\]: o11 
MakinoCPA [1d\]: o11?
K5 [1k\]: If o11, What is the answer to Black's P7?
]
;W[nl]C[MakinoCPA [1d\]: after o11, n10
royu [4d\]: l7 coming up...
papa19 [-\]: messy
swed [3k\]: white gets o11 or l7
roujiamo [5d\]: b gonna m4 :p
papa19 [-\]: bad trading
]
;B[km]C[roujiamo [5d\]: still can kill h2 group later :p
papa19 [-\]: shock
Levino [8k?\]: black resign soon?
]
;W[ni]C[papa19 [-\]: most likely
purun [4k\]: w has 2 cash tanks
]
;B[rh]C[MakinoCPA [1d\]: b can be alive
]
;W[lk]C[viu30h [6k\]: im so happy m5 got bad result    these days you see themost evíl overplays work still  guess cause its an amateur tourney
]
;B[kl]C[dosaku [?\]: still don't see how black is gonna live
papa19 [-\]: with luck?
roujiamo [5d\]: with powerplay
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2 
LeonEuler [5k\]: not sure why black play so fancy
maligo [5d\]: maybe there is some cutting aji around p11 and o10 
randomnick [2d\]: i love 5-6k players hating 6-7d ones :D
LeonEuler [5k\]: i have beaten 3d before...
randomnick [2d\]: wow
randomnick [2d\]: amazing
Levino [8k?\]: with 9 handycap? ;)
LeonEuler [5k\]: nope
royu [4d\]: phew, you did not say 4d ... :P
LeonEuler [5k\]: even
TurtleDove [4k\]: drunk doesn't count :)
zakatan [11k?\]: that's what whiskey does
LeonEuler [5k\]: i just blitz to 5k
dosaku [?\]: well, I have beaten pro's with enough handicaps...
ThiGar [3k\]: e5-j3 not ompletely alive
papa19 [-\]: impossible
roujiamo [5d\]: idiotbot has beaten me even before, thats a better achievement, he is only 29k
zakatan [11k?\]: idiotbot is worse than 29k
dosaku [?\]: yeah, beating idiotbot is hard
papa19 [-\]: i won idiotbot
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;W[rg]C[maciek [3d\]: s7?
dosaku [?\]: I managed to lose against idiotbot quite a few times in the past, only to be deranked by a certain admin who's name shall remain unknown
Levino [8k?\]: funny, black plays peep, white responds in the most probable manner and black starts thinking again for 5 minutes
LeonEuler [5k\]: thinking is important
K5 [1k\]: P12??
hhfjxhfbDE [4d\]: would be funny if black lived everywhere
dosaku [?\]: hm, I would not have connected at s13 , but prefer s11 
blurb1: some corner aji here too
royu [4d\]: he may not be thinking, might be freestyle rapping for five minutes
papa19 [-\]: what do you mean
Levino [8k?\]: by his looks he is thinking pretty hard
dsmic [-\]: s13 is a 5k bot move (oakfoam:)
Levino [8k?\]: and he does not look happy ;)
papa19 [-\]: how much time left
viu30h [6k\]: i either think during go or hear the supermariokart snes version soundtrack in my head
ILLCoyote1 [4d\]: 150:00
papa19 [-\]: cannot be
eslite [3k\]: never say never in go
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 45 min for black and 1h07 for white
viu30h [6k\]: of course its possible they played hyper blitz   they played move and tapped clock so fast it didnt register a second
roujiamo [5d\]: b could still fit another group around k16 maybe :p
royu [4d\]: seems like only two lines to think about are s6 and p12 
]
;B[rn]C[dosaku [?\]: eh, isn't that 300:00 coyote ?
papa19 [-\]: 5h
]
;W[lq]C[royu [4d\]: surprising move
Levino [8k?\]: white hesitated a bit
K5 [1k\]: Yeah, feels like a W retreat here
Levino [8k?\]: seems not too sure about that move
royu [4d\]: b can p11 now
K5 [1k\]: Is B going to get both m7 and the right side? Then what is left for W?
frison [1k\]: m 3 is an atack
viu30h [6k\]: lol white is not hoping for p9 to struggle out and than attack the whole k11 group is he?
TurtleDove [4k\]: gives o4 a connection and makes some points 
]
;B[ri]
;W[of]C[K5 [1k\]: Time for L14 yet?
]
;B[kf]C[ThiGar [3k\]: check comment move 130 for the fate of q9
Damasippus [7k?\]: Going back a bit, seems like m7 was maybe not the best, maybe n7 would have been better
Damasippus [7k?\]: W played m7 instantly.
]
;W[rl]C[ThiGar [3k\]: oups
MakinoCPA [1d\]: r7 
]
;B[oh]C[colonello [1d\]: r7 doesnt work
maciek [3d\]: Pop looks surprised now
Damasippus [7k?\]: This looks odd
randomnick [2d\]: predicting their moves is like guessing game
K5 [1k\]: Maybe he thought p14 solved the P12 aji. I did.
LeonEuler [5k\]: p11
LeonEuler [5k\]: easy
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 1h00 left for Pop and 40 min for Surma
gisel [3d\]: p11 q12 not so easy
LeonEuler [5k\]: r12
LeonEuler [5k\]: easy
maciek [3d\]: the guy in green looks really sleepy
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: pierre paga a french palyer
colonello [1d\]: leoneuler w is short of libs if w plays that way and one of two groups will be captures
]
;W[oi]C[LeonEuler [5k\]: it is black that is short on lib
colonello [1d\]: we will see
Cereales [4k\]: i agrre
Cereales [4k\]: iagree with colonello
colonello [1d\]: or sac p12 to secure right
colonello [1d\]: thenw didnt gain anything
LeonEuler [5k\]: w connected
]
;B[qm]C[maciek [3d\]: black actived s9 power
maciek [3d\]: activated
LeonEuler [5k\]: black didnt play q12 because it would fail
ThiGar [3k\]: colonello, does r7 work?
maciek [3d\]: r7 must work
colonello [1d\]: nope not with p12 aji
]
;W[mc]C[ThiGar [3k\]: k13
gisel [3d\]: k13 is not even sente
royu [4d\]: s16 large and painful for b
]
;B[nb]C[bisquit [2k\]: b should q7 somewhere along the way now
LeonEuler [5k\]: might be gote
colonello [1d\]: y
SIscurge [5d\]: I think black will die in the center
ThiGar [3k\]: is black worse off than before m5?
]
;W[rd]
;B[qd]
;W[se]
;B[rc]
;W[qe]C[KCN [1k\]: s10 might work
]
;B[pe]
;W[rj]C[KCN [1k\]: wow
colonello [1d\]: yes it works now
Ootakamoku [-\]: s9 r10 s4 is possible
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Pavol Lisy win against Ion Florescu
]
;B[pm]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: r10 s9 r12 q11 q12 p13 o12 looks like serious fun
]
;W[rk]C[K5 [1k\]: B can afford some loss here on the right, since L17 etc is good compensation
]
;B[om]C[apranax [7k\]: how can fun be serious ?
K5 [1k\]: You never had serious fun?
Cereales [4k\]: Q4 dead ?
Ootakamoku [-\]: n4 and o10 are miai for b? the two ugly caveman cuts
Paddy053 [3k\]: in a contest in which the one who has more fun wins a million dollars or pounds or whatever
colonello [1d\]: n4 has no worries
colonello [1d\]: n4 o3
Ootakamoku [-\]: colnello, did you consider if b just gives up p3 stones?
dosaku [?\]: serious fun is great, but dunno if the tos permits it
Damasippus [7k?\]: n12 now?
papa19 [-\]: how much time left for each player?
LeonEuler [5k\]: problem with n12 is it is gote
ThiGar [3k\]: The "ugly caveman cut" is a torn keima?
Ootakamoku [-\]: black 35min, white 60min, it looks like
colonello [1d\]: my reading suggest w will live at p4 group
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 50 min for white
]
;W[nq]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: sry,. 50min yes
]
;B[ph]C[dosaku [?\]: it is a great fighting game
Ootakamoku [-\]: colonello, after w latest move you still thin kit wasnt an issue?
colonello [1d\]: hmm i concede?
colonello [1d\]: never
Cereales [4k\]: lol
Ootakamoku [-\]: XD
Ootakamoku [-\]: b aiming at o10 it looks like
Ootakamoku [-\]: w o7 for miracle tesuji now
K5 [1k\]: If white does n12ish, might wanna j9 first 
Ootakamoku [-\]: o7 q11 q10 r10 r12 p10 o13 
Ootakamoku [-\]: oh, nvm
Ootakamoku [-\]: forgot b has s4 too
Ootakamoku [-\]: w in so much trouble
]
;W[qh]C[royu [4d\]: why doesn't b o10 directly
Damasippus [7k?\]: How does w deal with n10?
Ootakamoku [-\]: because its so ugly!
papa19 [-\]: how so?
Ootakamoku [-\]: zero style points for o10
Cereales [4k\]: i don't like black...i would surely cry if i played with him
apranax [7k\]: maybe i wld underestand what serious fun means if i knew the french for that...
salu [2k\]: no need for style points in a tournament
K5 [1k\]: Who needs style points if you can get points from the opponents dead stones? :)
colonello [1d\]: in grim situations like these i look to se for comic relief
pytta [2k\]: YOLO
papa19 [-\]: Have you taken dinner?
LeonEuler [5k\]: just o10 seems correct
pytta [2k\]: *ducks*
KCN [1k\]: this is bad
dosaku [?\]: se going nuts as usual
ThiGar [3k\]: p6?
Damasippus [7k?\]: yes o10, I don't get it
papa19 [-\]: You are going to have nuts?
Siasio [4d\]: issn't q11 better?
Siasio [4d\]: it kills everything!
]
;B[pi]C[Cereales [4k\]: lool
Siasio [4d\]: :)
colonello [1d\]: nice call
Gorim [3k\]: and killing everyithng is good
Ootakamoku [-\]: w alive
tiran [3k\]: o12
]
;W[nh]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: q11 looke like a mistake
K5 [1k\]: O10 m11
LeonEuler [5k\]: questionable move
KCN [1k\]: Q11,R12,013 instead r12
orro [1k\]: O10, M13
Cereales [4k\]: P13 ?
tiran [3k\]: p13 wont work
LeonEuler [5k\]: pl13 is riddled with liberty problems
ThiGar [3k\]: wouldn't p6 be a solid move?
Siasio [4d\]: why not p13?
colonello [1d\]: and all this happened because of p12
Ootakamoku [-\]: p13 o13 q10 m13 should be life
Ootakamoku [-\]: for w
coolbrain [6k\]: o13?
Ootakamoku [-\]: use o13 to get a clean cut at p10
tiran [3k\]: o13 wont work
papa19 [-\]: how much time left for each player
Ootakamoku [-\]: er.. use o13 to get clean cutr at o10
coolbrain [6k\]: whats the answer if b o13?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 30 min for black
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2 
Hench [3k\]: p13 
Siasio [4d\]: I think q10 is the best move now
]
;B[og]C[Siasio [4d\]: :o
randomnick [2d\]: q10 only move
Ootakamoku [-\]: cmon.. p13, rly..
Cereales [4k\]: loool
papa19 [-\]: me too
randomnick [2d\]: :)
Ootakamoku [-\]: I refuse to belive this works for b
Cereales [4k\]: i think it works
Cereales [4k\]: i read it, but i m only kyu
Ootakamoku [-\]: how do you hanelt say m13 peep?
papa19 [-\]: hope b runs out of time
colonello [1d\]: i say w is connected to top
LeonEuler [5k\]: cant white just sequeeze from q10
ThiGar [3k\]: so q11 kills evrything after all?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: what's with all the hate? this is mateusz we're talking about!!! 5/5
Ootakamoku [-\]: or w could play n14 instead of m13 peep
Pinguschaf [?\]: funny it wouldnt work if w had exchanged m13 :)
Bubarik [2d?\]:  
ThiGar [3k\]: black did some serious reduction on white's cash cows
tiran [3k\]: o13 then n14
Gorim [3k\]: n14 doens;t work I think
Gorim [3k\]: but O15 does
Ootakamoku [-\]: the only problem w is facing imo, is that playing a peep like m13 will hurt the top sooo much
jozles [1d\]: I dont understand... what should die ? wo13 b q11 wn14 seems ok
]
;W[pj]C[Vitharr [1d\]: well the top is already in bad shape with l14, i'd play m13 i think
]
;B[ng]
;W[mg]
;B[nf]
;W[ne]C[colonello [1d\]: lol
Cereales [4k\]: lool
Cereales [4k\]: b doesnt guess that
colonello [1d\]: wants to take top
boobgoober [3k\]: wish i could back to begining
Vitharr [1d\]: my bad, w well played there
colonello [1d\]: just clone game
Dubstep [1k\]: view it offline under options boobgoober.
dosaku [?\]: squeeze is nice
Ranchan [-\]: how is Antti doing?
Gorim [3k\]: not playing today
Dubstep [1k\]: or clone it.
LeonEuler [5k\]: noone listens to 5k
viu30h [6k\]: its cause 5k are usually good at something and awful at another thing
Dubstep [1k\]: that's because 5k should be the ones listening. (along with 1ks) lol
Cereales [4k\]: o15 pretty move
zakatan [11k?\]: instead
zakatan [11k?\]: 11k are worth listening \\o/
Dubstep [1k\]: nope.
boobgoober [3k\]: has to p15
papa19 [-\]: o12 is dead
roujiamo [5d\]: especially 11k? cos they could just be new 9d accounts that havent ranked up yet
zakatan [11k?\]: you got me!
boobgoober [3k\]: o12 is alive w will connect with n14
Dubstep [1k\]: Yep, zakatan is really tartrate.
papa19 [-\]: I am lying
LeonEuler [5k\]: o12 far from dead
Cereales [4k\]: K 17 lol kil the w center with the top
Malingo [4d\]: n14 only move
NH3CH2COOH [3k\]: forehead
boobgoober [3k\]: n14 allows w cut at l13 bad choice
]
;B[mf]
;W[lf]
;B[me]
;W[le]
;B[oe]
;W[lg]C[roujiamo [5d\]: l13 not a cut
]
;B[kg]C[LeonEuler [5k\]: damn
LeonEuler [5k\]: white got everything
papa19 [-\]: failure for b
roujiamo [5d\]: l13 k13 m13 h12 j13 h12 g12 怎么办呢？
Dubstep [1k\]: black seems ok.
viu30h [6k\]: who is the cornel clone?
papa19 [-\]: who?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 1k from Romania
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2 
eve20 [1k\]: 你看着办
cxv: fighting is over, and w has too many points
papa19 [-\]: just resign
Dubstep [1k\]: yeah, b has maybe 35 points.
papa19 [-\]: w
]
;W[mb]C[Cereales [4k\]: N11 ?
LeonEuler [5k\]: black doesnt seem too happy
Dubstep [1k\]: white has atleast 45 points
LeonEuler [5k\]: he is blinking nonstop
viu30h [6k\]: w about 60 points with cap and komi right?
Damasippus [7k?\]: q12 looks like a mistake now, lost sente and the cut
orro [1k\]: n11
papa19 [-\]: how do u know?
]
;B[jd]C[Cereales [4k\]: Does N11 work ?
]
;W[jc]C[orro [1k\]: seems
K5 [1k\]: n11 is a take gote move, so maybe stress W territory in sente, then N11
jozles [1d\]: what about L6 then n7 for w ?
]
;B[id]
;W[ic]C[LeonEuler [5k\]: black completely misread with q12 
Malingo [4d\]: n11 m11 
]
;B[mj]C[K5 [1k\]: N10 better than N11?
papa19 [-\]: this was powerful
DemonJezz [12k?\]: n10 means he connects?
Gorim [3k\]: means N9 dies
Moralejas [2d\]: q10 die
salu [2k\]: m11
Moralejas [2d\]: n9 can conect
zakatan [11k?\]: since when is windsurf an olympic sport?
royu [4d\]: now he cuts...
Moralejas [2d\]: true!
Moralejas [2d\]: :D
Damasippus [7k?\]: m11
randomnick [2d\]: since 1988
papa19 [-\]: how much time left for each player
K5 [1k\]: SE in denial
royu [4d\]: b+r?
zakatan [11k?\]: wow, i'd never seen it
kalaryan [3k\]: b 24 w 37
K5 [1k\]: I see B with 4 corners + center
isumi43 [5k\]: SE lost for ever
kalaryan [3k\]: mins
Moralejas [2d\]: kgs should put me 1dan down
Moralejas [2d\]: :D
Dubstep [1k\]: black has more than 24 points.
KCN [1k\]: o10 link
DemonJezz [12k?\]: SE lost 4lyf
Dubstep [1k\]: and white has more than 37
kalaryan [3k\]: minutes i mean
Gorim [3k\]: o10 doesn't link
royu [4d\]: oh n/m w still connected
Gorim [3k\]: black N11
Siasio [4d\]: p2 is so big
]
;W[if]C[viu30h [6k\]: b has about 50 w about 60   (but not counting stuff that going on in middle right now
Dubstep [1k\]: Siasio, wouldnt white play o2 ? not p2?
viu30h [6k\]: oh and appearently white cant do anything
Siasio [4d\]: o2 I mean ofc
Moralejas [2d\]: o10 killed
Moralejas [2d\]: n9 can connect
KCN [1k\]: this is kikashi
Dubstep [1k\]: ah ok
]
;B[ig]C[Siasio [4d\]: youre right
KCN [1k\]: then o10 link
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: o10 m10
LeonEuler [5k\]: smart move
Moralejas [2d\]: yes
NH3CH2COOH [3k\]: man are they still busy??
]
;W[hh]C[hulaetq: it will be very hard for White to lose this game...
Dubstep [1k\]: i think it's close. if black ills o8
viu30h [6k\]: w is our only chance to have more than 1 7d in the championship xD
]
;B[hf]C[gisel [3d\]: o8 is dead
arczi [4k\]: is o8 already dead?
Cereales [4k\]: yes
LeonEuler [5k\]: dead with no aji is better than dead with aji
Dubstep [1k\]: i thought o10  worked but apparently i can't read. lol.
Dubstep [1k\]: o10 n11  ?
boobgoober [3k\]: o10 n12 dead
LeonEuler [5k\]: o10 n10
Kangur [3d\]: o10 m10 
LeonEuler [5k\]: m10..
papa19 [-\]: there is no seed at o10!
Dubstep [1k\]: I see.
]
;W[hk]C[Dubstep [1k\]: well then, close game.
Dubstep [1k\]: j8 j10 k9 
salu [2k\]: m11 should work though
Ukasuhs [5d?\]: m11 m10
]
;B[ij]C[papa19 [-\]: u'r 5d?
Dubstep [1k\]: ah.. nice
Dubstep [1k\]: j8 h7 g6 j9 g9 j7 
papa19 [-\]: cool
Siasio [4d\]: j9 j7 dubstep
XhikashiX [6k\]: -++-+**************************++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++------------------------+
viu30h [6k\]: whenever i think of ukasuhs for some strange reason i picture the librarian of the discworld
Cereales [4k\]: m11 m10 k10 m12 papa19
Siasio [4d\]: b has to play j7 first
viu30h [6k\]: somebody wants a ban there
papa19 [-\]: how much time does each player have left?
profan [-\]: i made to C++ program i see 
profan [-\]: ++ everywhere O.o
roujiamo [5d\]: whenever i think of ukasuhs i think of a really badly spelt shusaku
colonello [1d\]: lol
papa19 [-\]: score estimate W+115.5
Dubstep [1k\]: Ukasuhs is a very strong 5d. probably nearly 6d now
Cereales [4k\]: dont look the score estimate, it doesnt work u.u
tneva82 [17k\]: score estimate has 2 live groups marked as dead :D
papa19 [-\]: yeah
viu30h [6k\]: it just means you dont know how to kill
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 30 min left for Pop
]
;W[gf]C[papa19 [-\]: not really
papa19 [-\]: what about b
isumi43 [5k\]: pls Euro, how much left for b?
Backflash [6k\]: w placed o3 in time it seems
vsfg5r: r10
viu30h [6k\]: SE around 19d   thats why we get confused so much by it
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 20 min left for Surma
]
;B[he]C[isumi43 [5k\]: Thx Euro
papa19 [-\]: thx
Dubstep [1k\]: SE = divine move?
Laman [1d\]: SE = sacred estimator
Gorim [3k\]: the few moves at once tesuji
Gorim [3k\]: kills almost everything
roujiamo [5d\]: seems like w might still lead even after n10
]
;W[hg]C[Cereales [4k\]: SE play chess, he doesnt know go
LeonEuler [5k\]: life death is np hard
papa19 [-\]: who is winning
ThiGar [3k\]: mSE
Backflash [6k\]: p2 huge gote?
zakatan [11k?\]: eye for an eye
Ootakamoku [-\]: e19
Dubstep [1k\]: hard to say, if there was a clear winner im sure someone would have resigned by now :)
]
;B[mh]C[papa19 [-\]: when will the game end
Ootakamoku [-\]: ouch
Ootakamoku [-\]: someone will resign now
Cereales [4k\]: Now resign ?
vsfg5r: big!!!!!!
colonello [1d\]: mistake p10
Backflash [6k\]: nah
roujiamo [5d\]: w really not that bad
Dubstep [1k\]: when both players can't put down anymore stones.
roujiamo [5d\]: please count first
Gorim [3k\]: most probably w wont resign
Backflash [6k\]: big yes
Ootakamoku [-\]: w really not that bad - w resigns
Backflash [6k\]: heh
vsfg5r: n11 was all time w sente
Vondel [2k\]: so how does this work - just tuning in- all the europeans with MMS 37 play a play off, or only the top group?  <------ QUESTION
roujiamo [5d\]: just cos its sente doesn't mean you should play it ;)
Desperis [2k\]: @LeonEuler : Computing a the optimal play on a nxn go board is not NP complete.
Gorim [3k\]: 16 best europeans were taken and compared somehow
viu30h [6k\]: the bearded guy is a 1d from my go club
viu30h [6k\]: in düsseldorf
Gorim [3k\]: 5 went to the finals
Gorim [3k\]: and 6 play for three spots that are left
Gorim [3k\]: in the quater finals
Siasio [4d\]: why didn't white connect these stones in sente?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: players with 1 or two looses go in knock out
goejgo [13k\]: hi
Dubstep [1k\]: can someone link me to the live stream?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: so 5 players
Cereales [4k\]: he just forget
Cereales [4k\]: :p
Fratloev [1k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Dubstep [1k\]: thanks.
Damasippus [7k?\]: Surely w should have interposed m11 before now?
Damasippus [7k?\]: it would have saved the three stones
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: there is 3 slots free they take 6 next european to play a play off
ThiGar [3k\]: black already moral winner for the excitments he brought
NH3CH2COOH [3k\]: mr red tshirt forehead
KCN [1k\]: horrible endgame for w
Vondel [2k\]: Im sorry I still dont understand
Vondel [2k\]: tomorrow QF right?
Cereales [4k\]: so q12 was not so bad
Cereales [4k\]: :P
Gorim [3k\]: right
]
;W[qj]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: resign sequence incommming
Vondel [2k\]: Are the more candidates for a spot besides these 4 (who's games are broadcasted)
]
;B[oj]C[TurtleDove [4k\]: W j8
KCN [1k\]: and come from bad R12 move
Siasio [4d\]: j9
blurb1: http://www.egc2012.eu/home/news/2012/07/31/qualification-games-top-8-europeans
papa19 [-\]: mmm
gisel [3d\]: Pavol Lisy won against Florescu, so hes already in
Dubstep [1k\]: j8 h7 g6 j7 
Dubstep [1k\]: turtuledove.
]
;W[rb]C[roujiamo [5d\]: k9 ridiculous?
SIscurge [5d\]: I count w slighlty ahead.. someone same opinion?
Ootakamoku [-\]: b ahead by 15 or so
papa19 [-\]: do any of you lost to BasicBot?
SIscurge [5d\]: :-D
]
;B[re]C[Cereales [4k\]: is resign move ?
roujiamo [5d\]: i was earlier siscurge
]
;W[ap]C[Dubstep [1k\]: ootakamoku you're very off. lol
roujiamo [5d\]: didn count since n12
Ootakamoku [-\]: well, could be +10 only, but something in that region
TurtleDove [4k\]: Dub then j9
]
;B[dk]C[dosaku [?\]: I must be bad at counting, but it actually seems close to me
]
;W[qe]
;B[kq]C[roujiamo [5d\]: i think oota is just trolling maybe
Dubstep [1k\]: yeah roujiamo i think so.
Backflash [6k\]: even se says w+9.5 haha
Ootakamoku [-\]: urm, no, Im serious, I think b is ahead
Ootakamoku [-\]: Im a bit confused as what Im missing
DemonJezz [12k?\]: papa, i always lose to basic bot ;)
viu30h [6k\]: ootakamoku is against w all the time (beside the b7 incident) xD
OMNOM [2d\]: hmmm, w in trouble?
Ootakamoku [-\]: b doesnt have dead groups that I can see, and yose seems to be in b favor too, and also a bit ahead in territory
]
;W[kr]C[littlebird [2k\]: nah, close, mybe b slight lead
]
;B[re]
;W[af]C[Cuki [4d\]: both in trouble :) game not decided yet .)
DemonJezz [12k?\]: littlebird, if you're going to make an oppinion, please state a reason.. haha
w0lf [3k\]: pop cheated the clock
w0lf [3k\]: oh sorry :)
w0lf [3k\]: haha
papa19 [-\]: just eat
Ootakamoku [-\]: this ise sente
Ootakamoku [-\]: corner dies if ignored
arczi [4k\]: how long does christian play ?
roujiamo [5d\]: maybe just thinking of ko threats
papa19 [-\]: how much time left for each player
Cereales [4k\]: B T17
roujiamo [5d\]: a15 leaves a lot
Minjhou [-\]: how Ootaku?
roujiamo [5d\]: but i still think he should play it
Siasio [4d\]: d19 now?
Ootakamoku [-\]: minhj, w a18 kills
Ootakamoku [-\]: if ignored
Gorim [3k\]: if ignored A 18
ThiGar [3k\]: is this an afternnon game?
littlebird [2k\]: wlll demonjazz m8 and possibly o12 too big if count whole board
papa19 [-\]: pls, Euro
]
;B[ae]
;W[qe]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: can b play l4 as threat?
Ootakamoku [-\]: or has to be m4?
Cereales [4k\]: why does black need the ko ?
papa19 [-\]: no its at night
roujiamo [5d\]: i guess l4 ok
DemonJezz [12k?\]: Hmm.. Thanks littlebird :)
ThiGar [3k\]: k2
Dubstep [1k\]: if black was ahead by 15 points he probably would have just connected. lol
roujiamo [5d\]: but l4 n2
Ootakamoku [-\]: t17 q18 r18 p18 for big yose if ignored
roujiamo [5d\]: so maybe still not great on yose
]
;B[kp]C[Siasio [4d\]: don't understand a15 
DemonJezz [12k?\]: Seems a bit weird people saying stuff and not giving their full thoughts on the idea. Almost like hitting on someone by smiling a certain way at them, especially if you smile a lot
Gorim [3k\]: without a15 black dies after white a18
Siasio [4d\]: wasn't a18 or d19 better?
Dubstep [1k\]: o2 ?
indien [3k\]: A15 leaves a seki threat
]
;W[jq]C[LeonEuler [5k\]: n2 better
]
;B[re]C[indien [3k\]: the corner is very small now
]
;W[ab]
;B[bb]C[roujiamo [5d\]: when the reason is @cos i counted he has more poitns@ doesn't seem worth stating :p
]
;W[qe]C[randomnick [2d\]: gorim: i belive that 4d knows that after a18 group dies...
randomnick [2d\]: question is which move is best for ko threats and yose
]
;B[hm]
;W[gn]
;B[re]C[roujiamo [5d\]: a18 is less threats but also less points
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 15 min left for Surma
roujiamo [5d\]: d19 seems dangrous cos leaves seki aji
indien [3k\]: S4
randomnick [2d\]: what byo yomi?
roujiamo [5d\]: reduction of top maybe not worth that aji
]
;W[er]C[Siasio [4d\]: d19 doesn't leave seki aji
randomnick [2d\]: & better yose
Dubstep [1k\]: yeah.. i dont see a seki in top left. Just black alive.
roujiamo [5d\]: ok well b15 capped in sente then
Siasio [4d\]: yes
Backflash [6k\]: not a threat?
]
;B[dr]
;W[qe]C[roujiamo [5d\]: still a lot smaller corner
Ootakamoku [-\]: I wasnt sure.. if e2 is actually a kill, but at very least corner reduced to 2 points
KCN [1k\]: b +10 lead
Siasio [4d\]: n2?
Ootakamoku [-\]: n2 loses points?
Siasio [4d\]: yes!
ThiGar [3k\]: h4?
indien [3k\]: if b wins the ko, isn't there L&D problems with the w group?
Siasio [4d\]: but it's a good threat!
Dubstep [1k\]: wu9t
Ootakamoku [-\]: yes.. but it loses points
quary: wouldnt w play o2 after n2?
Siasio [4d\]: it makes samedori
quary: Sasio?
Siasio [4d\]: yeah!
]
;B[sc]C[Siasio [4d\]: and it's samedori!
]
;W[pb]
;B[qb]
;W[qa]
;B[qc]
;W[ob]
;B[nc]
;W[na]C[Dubstep [1k\]: white has about 61 points with komi. black has...  50 points.
]
;B[md]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: ouch
Backflash [6k\]: oh
Dubstep [1k\]: that's what im counting. oops, 55 pints now.
Ootakamoku [-\]: b lost top with no compensation.. probably behind now
LeonEuler [5k\]: o2
]
;W[lh]
;B[mi]C[Dubstep [1k\]: black is only behind by 5 points as far as i can tell.
papa19 [-\]: b winning
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 20 min left for Pop
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2 
Ootakamoku [-\]: but truly, how could b give up that ko, b had n11 always so its not like he would die
papa19 [-\]: b
DemonJezz [12k?\]: "bi-winning" - Charlie sheen.
papa19 [-\]: time for b
viu30h [6k\]: broadcasted game on kgs and i didnt hear any w+ r or b+r comments yet
elohimmeth [3d\]: black is winning i think
viu30h [6k\]: very strange
arczi [4k\]: anybody knows how long does cristian play go ?
]
;W[nr]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: better game to watch, cya guys
randomnick [2d\]: he invented it
Dubstep [1k\]: poor b. i think its over for him.
elohimmeth [3d\]: isnt b winning ?
]
;B[os]C[Siasio [4d\]: s19
]
;W[or]
;B[pr]C[elohimmeth [3d\]: j9 
Dubstep [1k\]: i'm pretty sure white is ahead by a few points.
Dubstep [1k\]: elohimmeth.
vsfg5r: but you only 1k
]
;W[im]C[SlowAngel [7k\]: lol
]
;B[il]
;W[ik]
;B[jk]
;W[gk]
;B[jl]C[elohimmeth [3d\]: k13 
Dubstep [1k\]: im only 1k but i know how to add. lol
Cereales [4k\]: im pretty sure ure wrong dubstep :P
Dubstep [1k\]: not too tough.
]
;W[jg]C[SlowAngel [7k\]: lol
vsfg5r: not sente!
vsfg5r: m17!
Dubstep [1k\]: j15 h16 k15 
papa19 [-\]: Lil ???
Siasio [4d\]: s19 now
vsfg5r: m17!
Siasio [4d\]: it's bigger then h15 
SIscurge [5d\]: b doesnt need to play m17
]
;B[jf]C[SIscurge [5d\]: can tenuki directly
Siasio [4d\]: :(
SIscurge [5d\]: oh O.o
Cereales [4k\]: OO
vsfg5r: ...
]
;W[li]
;B[lj]
;W[kj]
;B[nj]C[Dubstep [1k\]: see, even 5d dont know everything. lol
]
;W[kd]C[elohimmeth [3d\]: risky to tenuki
Siasio [4d\]: g15 
SIscurge [5d\]: b got owned here
Siasio [4d\]: and s17
]
;B[lc]
;W[lb]C[zakatan [11k?\]: omg
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 10 min for Surma
roujiamo [5d\]: looks like w+5 to me
roujiamo [5d\]: oh wait
vsfg5r: b+r
vsfg5r: to me
]
;B[dh]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: e19
Dubstep [1k\]: im counting b at 58 points,  w at 54
Dubstep [1k\]: ah sorry..white has 60 with komi.
]
;W[dg]C[roujiamo [5d\]: maybe i missed top left corner, b+not many
]
;B[ra]C[Siasio [4d\]: 5 points for black
LeonEuler [5k\]: white mess up endgame
papa19 [-\]: white
observ:  w k15
LeonEuler [5k\]: could've probabably won by 1-2 pts
SIscurge [5d\]: I still count w ahead..
Dubstep [1k\]: ok i think b win now.
papa19 [-\]: time for white, Euro
Dubstep [1k\]: black also has b9 
SIscurge [5d\]: w ahead by komi..
w0lf [3k\]: 16 min w
zakatan [11k?\]: what are the time settings?
Dubstep [1k\]: ah nvm. a5  is self atari.
dosaku [?\]: actually its white's move
Ootakamoku [-\]: b e19 is sente now
Ootakamoku [-\]: urm.. maybe
randomnick [2d\]: nope
]
;W[je]C[zakatan [11k?\]: 150 + 1x1min byoyomi?
papa19 [-\]: are you sure
roujiamo [5d\]: v close is my decision, i'll just wait for them to finish endgame, its easier
randomnick [2d\]: white then captures
Ootakamoku [-\]: nice suji
]
;B[ie]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: failsuji
]
;W[ge]
;B[ig]C[roujiamo [5d\]: still suji
Siasio [4d\]: what a ko
Dubstep [1k\]: e19 f19 d19 pass. f18 g19 g18 g19 h18 h19 j18 j19 k18 k19 l18 l19 n19  it is sente.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 15 min for Pop
Dubstep [1k\]: e19 is sente for b.
]
;W[al]C[pikadonk [1d\]: l15 atari, so no ko?
vsfg5r: ...
LeonEuler [5k\]: did black overlook
vsfg5r: not a ko threat
Hino [-\]: lol
]
;B[bk]
;W[if]C[roujiamo [5d\]: l15 also was self atari euler, did you overlook?
elohimmeth [3d\]: its close
]
;B[ke]
;W[kc]C[sameasyou [3d\]: l15 gote
]
;B[ig]C[Dubstep [1k\]: oh no.. big ko lol
Bubarik [2d?\]: i think white is ahead by couple of points
elohimmeth [3d\]: can any 5-6dans tell me why did b played b2 ?
]
;W[ac]C[Dubstep [1k\]: ah nvm, w cant kill b
]
;B[aa]
;W[if]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: eloh, so that white a5 is not sente
roujiamo [5d\]: wf2 speaks the truth
Dubstep [1k\]: if black played a2 then white would atari with b2.
Warfreak2 [4d\]: no, w would a5 directly
Warfreak2 [4d\]: b2 atari would get a capture, then b could connect when w atari a5
maciek [3d\]: a5 was creating a ko if i remeber well
]
;B[hp]C[Dubstep [1k\]: ah, i would have to look back
maciek [3d\]: thats why b2:)
Siasio [4d\]: h16?
vsfg5r: h16 small
]
;W[hq]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: not small
]
;B[ig]C[Desperis [2k\]: a4 was sente for the life of d9. That's it.
vsfg5r: you see
ddUsopp [2k\]: large
Moralejas [2d\]: a17 
]
;W[hs]C[Siasio [4d\]: ignore
vsfg5r: small!!!!!
Siasio [4d\]: 2 points...
papa19 [-\]: hi
dosaku [?\]: j14 
Siasio [4d\]: f1 d1 e1 a2 
zakatan [11k?\]: same 2 points as the ko they are fighting?
Backflash [6k\]: even s4 was bigger
reflex: isn't l9 a threat for white?
elohimmeth [3d\]: e 19 maybe
Amadeusz [2d?\]: g1
Dubstep [1k\]: l9 fix black's atari.
Siasio [4d\]: they're fighting for 3,75 points
randomnick [2d\]: lol
randomnick [2d\]: how do you count it?
ddUsopp [2k\]: how you calculate 0.75? =))
randomnick [2d\]: half of the ko?
isumi43 [5k\]: well-very hard I guess :p
LeonEuler [5k\]: if it takes 4 turns to make 3 points
NH3CH2COOH [3k\]: mr red forehead t-shirt with a belly has at least leaved after 25 min
Siasio [4d\]: h16 is gote but g16 is sente later
ddUsopp [2k\]: maybe it ko for 4.03918 pts?)
Siasio [4d\]: so it's 0.75
Bubarik [2d?\]: nah. its rwo times 1 point gote. and you half it every time you spend a move.
Cereales [4k\]: i don't like yose, so i've often overplayedto close the game earlier
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 3 min for Surma
]
;B[gs]C[Dubstep [1k\]: ko is 3 points for b. captures a stone makes a point at k15  and he dosnt have to fix k10 
papa19 [-\]: Euro, is there byo-yomi
Ootakamoku [-\]: the ko also affects l6, and h16
Siasio [4d\]: and also he can later play h16 and g16 in sente
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
Siasio [4d\]: so it's 3.75
Ootakamoku [-\]: if b wins ko, then h16 is like.. 0.75 points for b.
papa19 [-\]: how long
Dubstep [1k\]: someone is going to have to explain how points can be 0.75 to me.
Cereales [4k\]: it's the value of the ko
Dubstep [1k\]: lol.. cuz im counting in 1s and 2s. And 0.5's for komi.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 1 min
zupers: white leads by 1,5 points
SIscurge [5d\]: Its just wrong ^^ H16 for sure at least one point :)
maciek [3d\]: black is ahead by 5.33 points!
]
;W[if]C[Desperis [2k\]: And then someone is gonna explain to you how points can be 1/16+*+doubleup.
Warfreak2 [4d\]: h16 is one point, k15 is one and the ko stone is one, and k10 is one
quary: the game is very even
Warfreak2 [4d\]: so the ko is worth 4/3
quary: i mean close
]
;B[lp]C[Blaubaer [5d\]: hope he wins by 5,33 
royu [4d\]: ??
roujiamo [5d\]: but the ko is nice if w wins it :p
Warfreak2 [4d\]: h16 exactly 1; either 1 in sente, or two in gote
quary: go go Mateusz!!!
randomnick [2d\]: white ahead by π
zupers: white leads
elohimmeth [3d\]: ignore ??
jozles [1d\]: s4 seems bigger than the ko
elohimmeth [3d\]: h16 m2 m1 
Ootakamoku [-\]: this is not ignorable
vsfg5r: h16 small
Warfreak2 [4d\]: s15 ko seems actually larger
Siasio [4d\]: then n3 n2 k10 and another ko
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 10 min for Pop
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2 
]
;W[hd]
;B[ig]C[vsfg5r: w desperate
elohimmeth [3d\]: e3 ^^
]
;W[es]C[zupers: e1
Siasio [4d\]: is o2 larger than l11?
]
;B[eq]
;W[if]
;B[lr]
;W[ls]C[Cereales [4k\]: M2
]
;B[ig]C[gisel [3d\]: about same size
Ootakamoku [-\]: ...
elohimmeth [3d\]: why not take .. ??
vsfg5r: w can't win this ko
roujiamo [5d\]: a17 or something to save p8?
dosaku [?\]: black running out of threats
elohimmeth [3d\]: why w played m1 i dont get it
chachu [1k\]: to not die
LeonEuler [5k\]: life
Siasio [4d\]: because black could k2 
roujiamo [5d\]: instead of m1 what?
gisel [3d\]: if not m1, then black k2 is sente
jOUhn [2k\]: to save/connect 04 group...
elohimmeth [3d\]: k15
Siasio [4d\]: and get more points than l11 
reflex: wR8?
]
;W[ac]C[roujiamo [5d\]: k2 bigger
]
;B[ab]
;W[if]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: we;;. b n3 is sente too
roujiamo [5d\]: all o2 dying is huge
]
;B[mq]
;W[mr]
;B[ig]C[vsfg5r: dissaster for w
vsfg5r: he lost 5 points
roujiamo [5d\]: so b got three threats
]
;W[ql]C[Backflash [6k\]: where?
SIscurge [5d\]: strange decision to ignore M4
roujiamo [5d\]: w got 2
Backflash [6k\]: w is hjappy he got such a ko
roujiamo [5d\]: imo
isumi43 [5k\]: yeap
Pinguschaf [?\]: why strange?
LeonEuler [5k\]: he gets points if he wins ko though
]
;B[pl]
;W[if]C[Pinguschaf [?\]: w gains if he eats 5 stones
]
;B[jr]C[observ: sente to eat 5 stones
Siasio [4d\]: m3!
vsfg5r: only if
]
;W[lq]
;B[ig]C[Pinguschaf [?\]: ah
Ootakamoku [-\]: m3 has to be bad..
]
;W[mp]
;B[if]C[vsfg5r: uuu
Pinguschaf [?\]: haha
Pinguschaf [?\]: thats interesting
Siasio [4d\]: it was really good
LeonEuler [5k\]: he got them back
roujiamo [5d\]: well thats a big cop out :p
vsfg5r: who is ahead now?
Pinguschaf [?\]: so... who gained?
dosaku [?\]: next ko now
roujiamo [5d\]: seems about even：ｐ
Backflash [6k\]: +-zero
U505 [7k\]: bonjour
roujiamo [5d\]: maybe w gain i guess
Ootakamoku [-\]: w+2 now
Siasio [4d\]: white can't win any ko now
Dubstep [1k\]: s4  is getting kind of big. 
LeonEuler [5k\]: d19 reverse sente
U505 [7k\]: - what happen, whos winning ?
Siasio [4d\]: s15 5 points s4 4 points
Nilatarion [3d\]: p19
Bubarik [2d?\]: got h16. one point on lower side and sente
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 40 s for Surma
Fratloev [1k\]: s4 or s15 ?
Snowbars [2d\]: B is leading
Siasio [4d\]: p19 q19 
]
;W[da]
;B[ca]
;W[ea]C[Siasio [4d\]: :o
roujiamo [5d\]: a2 still sente for w
Siasio [4d\]: 2 points in gote??
SIscurge [5d\]: no
roujiamo [5d\]: reverse sente*
Dubstep [1k\]: it's bigger than 2.
Backflash [6k\]: wasn't s4 bigger?
]
;B[jn]C[Siasio [4d\]: no
daniug [2d\]: P19?
SIscurge [5d\]: a2 tenuki c1 b1 d1 c2 
Siasio [4d\]: it wasn't reverse sente!
Dubstep [1k\]: k6  good move.
Dubstep [1k\]: b deffinantly ahead now.
roujiamo [5d\]: oh true
ddUsopp [2k\]: s4 ?
Siasio [4d\]: d19 was the smallest yose on the board!
ddUsopp [2k\]: s4 big
Backflash [6k\]: 3 pts k6?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 5 min for Pop
Ootakamoku [-\]: hmm, w+2 still
vsfg5r: slscurge - c1 lol
Bubarik [2d?\]: mb white is telling black to give up
gisel [3d\]: w+0,5 I count XD
vsfg5r: it will just give b + 1 point
maciek [3d\]: how can u count so bad gisel...
Bubarik [2d?\]: like i can play crappy yose andstill win
U505 [7k\]: s4 
]
;W[re]C[Siasio [4d\]: b+2,5
gisel [3d\]: well, there is still some points for black to get, and drakula will prevail
Cereales [4k\]: P19 ?
]
;B[in]
;W[rp]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: byo yomi for Surma
Siasio [4d\]: what is p19?
daniug [2d\]: p19 small?
Siasio [4d\]: p19 is self-atari
gisel [3d\]: q19 if anything
ThiGar [3k\]: What time did the game start?
daniug [2d\]: p19 captures 3 stones
gisel [3d\]: 5 hours ago I think
Siasio [4d\]: :O
Siasio [4d\]: how?
Ootakamoku [-\]: game started 5 hours ago
zupers: no
ThiGar [3k\]: thx
Cereales [4k\]: p19 doesnt capture
zupers: p19 wasted one stone
Cereales [4k\]: but 1 point sente
gisel [3d\]: p19 loses one point
elohimmeth [3d\]: really d19 wrong ?
]
;B[on]C[vsfg5r: a2
Siasio [4d\]: p19 is worse than d19 
vsfg5r: what?
Cereales [4k\]: really lol?
Ootakamoku [-\]: p19 doesnt do anything
zum [-\]: whoz winning?
U505 [7k\]: p19 is sleepy move
gisel [3d\]: Siasio, why was d19 bad?
LeonEuler [5k\]: d19 not een bad
ThiGar [3k\]: EuroGoTV1, the players must be exhausted, no?
U505 [7k\]: read again
Siasio [4d\]: it was two points in doublegote
elohimmeth [3d\]: man d19 3dan mistake
daniug [2d\]: what next after P19?Q19?or N19?
LeonEuler [5k\]: once n19 and p19 fills it would be sente
chachu [1k\]: black wins by half
LeonEuler [5k\]: you misread
U505 [7k\]: d19 = you need more coffee
]
;W[jo]
;B[ko]C[NeedaDrink [3d\]: 0.5 points game?
Ootakamoku [-\]: hmm, w has lost some in yose?
Cereales [4k\]: Q19
]
;W[ar]C[Dubstep [1k\]: for some reason im counting white at 76 points.
U505 [7k\]: who knows how to count?
Cereales [4k\]: N19, W loses 2 stones
gisel [3d\]: d19 was 3 points reverse sente, was it not?
Siasio [4d\]: it wasn't gisel
Ootakamoku [-\]: gisel,.only 2 point
randomnick [2d\]: nope
Siasio [4d\]: doublegote
elohimmeth [3d\]: s7
Ootakamoku [-\]: d19 was worth urm.. 2 points gote
Dubstep [1k\]: black is behind in points i think.
Dubstep [1k\]: by like 1 or 2
]
;B[pa]C[ThiGar [3k\]: 5 hours!! could the players get lunch?
]
;W[oa]C[Dubstep [1k\]: q5 ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: not yet
gisel [3d\]: ah, right Siasio, I see now
chachu [1k\]: black wins by half
chachu [1k\]: :(
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 2 min for Pop
U505 [7k\]: t4 
maciek [3d\]: 1 hour lunch break now would be cool:)
indianayk [4d\]: b wins by 4.5 points?
starry [?\]: gdedgf
starry [?\]: fddsfdf
starry [?\]: sdfs
starry [?\]: s
starry [?\]: df
starry [?\]: sd
starry [?\]: fsd
starry [?\]: fs
starry [?\]: df
Ootakamoku [-\]: b wins by 1 point
starry [?\]: sd
starry [?\]: fs
starry [?\]: df
starry [?\]: sdfs
starry [?\]: dfgdearfgsdgbv
]
;B[di]
;W[gh]C[gisel [3d\]: q5 now?
elohimmeth [3d\]: did se count komi ?
Dubstep [1k\]: you're going to get banned starry.
daniug [2d\]: b1 or seki!
vsfg5r: lol, no seki
randomnick [2d\]: game for 12 EGF points
blurb1: they started 10 o clock so 7h now
elohimmeth [3d\]: c1 b1 a1 d1 
viu30h [6k\]: i think that wwas his goal to begin with
Korf [1k\]: just some points in sente
]
;B[qa]C[blurb1: oh no 5 ofc
]
;W[sp]C[elohimmeth [3d\]: r19 ???????*
]
;B[sq]
;W[ns]
;B[ps]
;W[no]C[vsfg5r: s7
Siasio [4d\]: what's wrong with r19?
daniug [2d\]: isn t c1 seki?
vsfg5r: no
vsfg5r: lol
U505 [7k\]: b dont need ko fight
vsfg5r: 2d
gisel [3d\]: c1 is not seki
ThiGar [3k\]: do C.Pop and/or M.Surma have other games scheduled today?!
daniug [2d\]: ah no:)
gisel [3d\]: read deeper
levye [7k\]: q5?
Snowbars [2d\]: what is komi in this game?
Dubstep [1k\]: c1 b1 d1 f1 a1 c2 
Ootakamoku [-\]: o6 looks biggest, 1 point reverse sente
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 6,5 see the rules
eslite [3k\]: w t6?
]
;B[nn]C[elohimmeth [3d\]: s7 isnt bigger
vsfg5r: no
Snowbars [2d\]: thx, so W is winning in this case
Ootakamoku [-\]: s7 not bigger
Moralejas [2d\]: b1 
]
;W[bs]
;B[cs]C[royu [4d\]: b's endgame not so hot
vsfg5r: b+0,5
chachu [1k\]: told you
Moralejas [2d\]: s7 r6 t6 
RinniR [-\]: oh, w will win
zupers: b+0,5
]
;W[po]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: now s7
ThiGar [3k\]: don't trust SE
randomnick [2d\]: b6 
]
;B[rm]C[Vondel [2k\]: ?
vsfg5r: sorry
vsfg5r: b+1,5
gisel [3d\]: b+2,5? 
Backflash [6k\]: w made it everywhere heh
]
;W[sm]C[Vondel [2k\]: Ws7 is worth some point right ?
Chilltime [1d?\]: b+0,5
Ootakamoku [-\]: ws7 would have given b q6 stone
vsfg5r: one is clear - B won \\o/
Ootakamoku [-\]: or altenrtaively b gets t7 hane, in which case no gain
randomnick [2d\]: i hate peopole thinking with stone in hand hanging over the goban
maciek [3d\]: b+1.5:)
U505 [7k\]: thats bad manners
ThiGar [3k\]: all those SE estimates not reliable
]
;B[sn]
;W[sl]C[fan [-\]: seems b+2.5
]
;B[bn]
;W[ao]
;B[as]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: how about a1 ko..
Ootakamoku [-\]: lol
]
;W[qn]
;B[ro]
;W[bs]C[daniug [2d\]: seems 1,5 for b or 0,5 if he loses the ko
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: byo yomi for Pop
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 and 2 
ThiGar [3k\]: picnick ko
]
;B[ma]C[Moralejas [2d\]: 1'5 or 2'5
Ootakamoku [-\]: urm.. 1 point picnic ko.. lol
]
;W[la]
;B[as]C[Vondel [2k\]: So do we have a list with the quarter finalists?
ThiGar [3k\]: lol
U505 [7k\]: l6 
indianayk [4d\]: b wins the ko
Gekirin [2d\]: s5 instead t6 )
chachu [1k\]: b can still make a less one point threat
chachu [1k\]: last hope for w
Dubstep [1k\]: l1 
ThiGar [3k\]: how many ko threats to how many, indianayk?
Dubstep [1k\]: q17 
Cereales [4k\]: W can do atari on K1, very good threat :P
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no we need to wait after the lat game 
maciek [3d\]: i think Mateusz doesnt know the result:)
]
;W[kn]
;B[ln]
;W[bs]
;B[pc]
;W[ma]
;B[as]
;W[jj]
;B[kk]C[indianayk [4d\]: w had 1 and b 2
]
;W[bs]C[levye [7k\]: 5 hours is long time to count i guess
]
;B[ks]
;W[js]
;B[as]
;W[jp]
;B[bs]
;W[]
;B[]C[Firebird [3k\]: you don't have 5 hours when you're in byo yomi
ThiGar [3k\]: is this an average length game at EGC? or longer than average?
Ootakamoku [-\]: ignoring l1 would be really cool
elohimmeth [3d\]: yep
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: finish
dosaku [?\]: great game, thanks
]
;W[co]
;B[bo]C[SIsaimon [1k\]: 5h byoyomi is cool
]
;W[sd]
;B[qo]
;W[so]
;B[oo]
;W[mo]C[papa19 [-\]: finally
shashwat [8k\]: is the stone passing on pass happening?
kongm [2k\]: is this even necessary?
U505 [7k\]: yes
]
;B[ah]C[Cereales [4k\]: score ?
vsfg5r: Surma for European Champion!
]
;W[bh]C[kongm [2k\]: remove j5
Matzeeeee [5k?\]: ing rules
Ootakamoku [-\]: b+1.5 I think
ThiGar [3k\]: did white pass the stone?
kongm [2k\]: remove all dead stones
shashwat [8k\]: w did pass, so that's bad for w
Ootakamoku [-\]: japanese rules, no?
Korf [1k\]: no
viu30h [6k\]: egf rules
papa19 [-\]: what rules
indianayk [4d\]: b by 2.5
Striker [-\]: yes japanese
ThiGar [3k\]: egf rules is Ing rules
daniug [2d\]: is the counting done,euro?:)
Cereales [4k\]: Ootatakamoku have u got statistics about 5 living groups
Korf [1k\]: kinda simplified ing rules
maciek [3d\]: Mateusz very happy:)
indianayk [4d\]: ing rule?
Adel [6k\]: Oh -1 pop
U505 [7k\]: yes ING rules
Vondel [2k\]: So who are playing in the Quarter Final ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 2,5 for Surma
Laman [1d\]: great
Striker [-\]: no it's japanese rules
daniug [2d\]: thx euro
ThiGar [3k\]: How do you show/put the pass stone on the kgs board?
U505 [7k\]: thanks EuroGo
isumi43 [5k\]: Thx Euro
indianayk [4d\]: thx
Cereales [4k\]: Use Chinese rules ;)
viu30h [6k\]: only 1 7d in the knock out lol
gnarf [1k\]: thx eurogo
]
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Cereales [4k\]: to pass the stones it's the same
Shibui [8k\]: THX
ThiGar [3k\]: Thx EuroGoTV1!
gfdhff [1k\]: YES !
Vondel [2k\]: thanks forrelaying !
KCN [1k\]: catastrofic second half of game
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thx and see you for the quarters
U505 [7k\]: read the scoring methods at Senseis Library
papa19 [-\]: who won
ThiGar [3k\]: Conclusion: black m5 was proved no overplay!
shashwat [8k\]: has the score been announced?
ajka [2k?\]: surmaaaaaa polskaaaaaaa
shashwat [8k\]: because it may be b
gfdhff [1k\]: POLSKA !
shashwat [8k\]: b+3;5
Cereales [4k\]: Black Q12 was also good :P
quary: yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!
ThiGar [3k\]: yeah, black M5 and black Q12
maciek [3d\]: POLSKA! POLSKA!:-)
gfdhff [1k\]: Biała Gwiazda !
Snowbars [2d\]: nice game! thanks!
papa19 [-\]: Euro, who won
gisel [3d\]: Surma won
quary: who is surma playing with in the next round??
ThiGar [3k\]: Will these players be at the World Mind Olympic Games mid-august?
papa19 [-\]: oh
decorn [4k\]: http://www.wmsg2012.org/page/participants
lupis [3d\]: his next opponent should be Ilia
ThiGar [3k\]: let noone say Ilia overplays
nnnn2007 [1d\]: who win the game
nnnn2007 [1d\]: w
nnnn2007 [1d\]: +
Minjhou [-\]: b+3.5
Warfreak2 [4d\]: super mateusz
viu30h [6k\]: when will the pairings for the quarter finals be releasedß
edcrfvt [-\]: who won?
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